Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

reply to post by openminded2011


wierd thing is i'm "crazy" and got into nothing bigger than a fistfight. it's striving for sanity that puts someone over the edge me i just utilize my insanity for musical purposes. in the professional world you have to put away aspects of your ambition and replace it with soul crushing realism. the guy looks like christian bale in american psycho

reply to post by getreadyalready


I agree that it was a totally different scenario. But any experienced shooter knows that a moving target, no matter how slow is still MUCH harder to hit than a stationary one. Add to that body armor of any kind and you're just making things harder. Also the people of this theater were under the effects of teargas or some form of gaseous pepper spray or OC. My biggest problem with Laokin's post was his use of the situation as a platform for political banter and acting as though the victims were at fault for not acting the way he would have. I'm all for CCW licenses, I have one myself and I have extensive training and think its a great thing. But there was some information presented that isn't factual and that doesn't lend itself to denying ignorance

Originally posted by violet

Originally posted by ManiShuck
Any info on the apartment situation? Flipping through HLN/MSNBC/FOX/CNN all I've seen the past few hours is some old footage and then about 10 minutes ago I saw a brief clip of what looked like firefighters putting a full black trashbag into a blue container (looked like a plastic tote for evidence).

Quite a few hours ago all the news places were saying they were sending in a robot, I would have expected a least an update as of now.

Last I heard in the press conference was that the apartment is still booby trapped and it could take hours, even days to resolve.

So nothing new with the robot then? Hours ago they kept updating every few minutes of them sending it in to test the liquid but then it just stopped. There's been two small updates within the last few hours. The last one with (what I believe were) firefighters putting something in a blue box just interests me.

There are also no reports of his roommates, though numerous sites have cited public records as showing he had two roommates (who were also from California).


I just switched to Fox News and they gave a short rundown of the apartment situation (the bottles filled with liquids) and said that the suspect has gotten a lawyer.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by caladonea

 

3 guns, including a semi automatic, eye witnesses said it was like watching ''the terminator''. Awful but possible that a guy with experience, even in computer games, could do it.

edit on 20-7-2012 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

Do not start blaming computer gaming for this !

reply to post by MauiStacey


I think it's pretty strange he was so coherant and together. He does still refer to his sister in the present tense at one point but also it seems a little staged when he starts to say 'this isn't about polarizing debates or political events it's about celebrating the people that were wounded/ killed. He says 'This has affected thousands of people' or even more and he thinks we should focus on that.

Although i think this is not a conspiracy at this stage, I do think this brother is too well put together and his mention of certain focuses and politics is almost like a script. It's like he's telling us what to think. Words that are designed to stick in the mind

So one of the victims, the girl that survived the shooting in Toronto tweeted this minutes before being murdered by the nut:

"“This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away,” she wrote. “I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm’s way. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting.”

Read more: www.foxnews.com..."




Very odd.

Originally posted by senselessness
reply to post by Valhall

 

Well, I'm sick of people telling me I'm wrong over and over, and sick of watching people spread false information. So I am going to repeat myself until people have the right information. If you are sick of seeing me repeat myself, then you should be sick of watching the people ignorantly tell me I am wrong, and help straighten out the facts....

Ah whatever, I'm talking to zombies.

edit on 20-7-2012 by senselessness because: (no reason given)

You don't seem to understand. I personally believe that what YOU are saying is correct. Because logically speaking I think it's going to turn out to be correct. You really don't have to keep saying it. It's hard to follow the discussion with you continuing on. And you're still continuing on. We're out here reading. We get you man...loud and clear.

Just saw an RT report that said he kicked in the back door, released tear gas and began shooting. Theres no other way to get a rifle, shotgun and two pistols by the front door, ya think?

And for al the Rambo types saying that this could have been prevented? Not likely. As it is unfolding you got to appreciate the element of surprise, fear and panic an assault rifle would make in a darkened atmosphere like a movie theatre. Ever try to look away from the screen and see what is going on? Your eyes are adapted to low light and yet are dazzled by the brightly lit screen, making accurate eyesight impossible. The rods and cones are "mixed up". Adding the crack of rifle rounds and the assault to your senses of tear gas... now the screams and panic of audience members. The place must have been packed on opening night?

I bet most people duck but then jump up at the effects of the gas making themselves vulnerable to fire as they move. If he came in from beside the screen, the audience is lit from his perspective (and he remains in shadow). He just has to unload in the direction of movement as people fall and stumble in a wave ahead of him causing others to fall and stumble over them. Releasing tear gas is a casualty maximizing part of the plan.. He knows that people are going to duck and hide instinctually from the gunfire so the gas is a countermeasure to that. It forces people up and out of the choking cloud, overcoming their duck and cover mentality. That is by design. Bang, bang, bang. He just keeps squeezing at the motion. People near to him are trying to get away instead of laying low to jump him as he continues firing. Anyone rushing him suddenly would be visible in the light of the screen.

Insanity cubed.

Then the back up 12 gauge and pistols provide further fire without fumbling to reload. He can continue blasting away without stopping and again denying anyone the opportunity to rush him when he runs dry on the rifle. I don't know what happened after that. Just my muse on the opening crescendo.

At first i didnt though much about this mass murder
a guy with mental issue that probably woreship the devil himself
and his computer is probably all 666 signs everywhere
with background picture of lucifer

all killer that shot random people like that have the same dark profile
they are very inteligent not to be caught ..with reasonable behavior
not to look like a suspect and made a plan to attack a cinema during his favorite movie
and be talked on the news for days

after i analysed all the released info of the killing ... i started connecting dots
let me think out loud here for a moment .. but i suspect a cover up / false flag
i might be wrong .. its speculations
but what if this was not a coincidence .. it seems the timing was perfect for this to happen

1) Big Public place --> Cinema = No guards

2) Gunman was covered head to toe -> witness cant confirm shooter face
the elites can now put anybody face they want on TV
and say this was the shooter (young friendly but shy neighboor
who even had a beer with a adult black guy at the bar and didnt seem at all to have mental issue
went to college with a smily friendly picture .. he didnt had the killer profile

3) Gunman came from the side exit door : That door is usualy locked for good reasons
that mean someone must have left that door unlock / opened for him

4) Movie was The Dark Knight Rise with many conspiracy surrounding it
if the elite made that movie for a purpose .. then they surely want something
someone mass murdering people during the FIRST movie release exactly after midnight
the dark knight rise will be all over the news .. and really feel like a dark knight has risen
surely far away to be a white knight

5) It would provite an excellent argument to sign the gun law
such mass shooting in a public place where he shot apx 80 people (15 killed - 71 wounded)
they say it is the biggest mass shooting event in america history
1 gunman shot apx 80 peoples .. that never happened

6) Booby trapped appartment ? how convenient
now reporters and cameras needs to be 1 km away from the appartment
they "evacuated" all surrounding building
are they scare we find that it was NOT the gunman
the swat probably needed to create themself the trip wires
and create booby traps .. and then take pictures and show it to the world
it can also serve has a false flag .. release chemical (they say the killer have some)
or a bomb that will destroy the building itself while destroying all proof
that it was not the gunman ..

7) Covered Gunman was emotionless/mindless and didnt say anything during the entire shooting
so nobody could voice identify him or even recognise the shooter eyes (had a mask)


EDIT with 8 and 9

8) The gunman had a big unsual arsenal (no civilians can have all that without even being suspected)
* .40 glock handgun
*remington shotgun
AR15 semi automatic (with a special designed magasine to old 100 bullets)

9) Perfect distraction for what happening in the ME ..especially with Syria and Iran

im sure im missing a few detail
but this is what i think .. any #10 ?

I have noticed Obama came out in mourning and sadness. This from the same President who has a much widely published "kill list" where he picks which "enemies" of the US are to be killed. Perhaps living in this kind of heavily militarized atmosphere contributes to the kind of thinking that results in these kind of atrocities.

Originally posted by rockoperawriter
reply to post by Evolutionsend

 

i would just rather borrow the movie from a friend or watch it on his big screen. so maybe downloading movies or pirating them could save lives

SUPPORT PIRACY

new legal defense "im terrified of theaters"

reply to post by ZiggyMojo


People need to realize that opening fire in a crowded movie theater isn't an easy choice to make. The chances of it doing more harm than good, or even getting you killed by the good guys is pretty high.

Would you open fire in a dark crowded room? I sure wouldn't. Too much confusion on all sides. You might accidentally hit a child or a police officer. The fact that no one did open fire, proves that legally armed people are still on the side of good.

Originally posted by DriCo04
So one of the victims, the girl that survived the shooting in Toronto tweeted this minutes before being murdered by the nut:

"“This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away,” she wrote. “I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm’s way. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting.”

Read more: www.foxnews.com..."


Very odd.

Yes it's weird. As I wrote above, her brother seems strangely calm and is almost directing people in what to think about events!

reply to post by sirnukeem

new legal defense "im terrified of theaters"

Terrified of the hype over a highly conservative set of films that stigmatize the poor as a security threat to be feared.

Originally posted by Ben81
At first i didnt though much about this mass murder
a guy with mental issue that probably woreship the devil himself
and his computer is probably all 666 signs everywhere
with background picture of lucifer

all killer that shot random people like that have the same dark profile
they are very inteligent not to be caught ..with reasonable behavior
not to look like a suspect and made a plan to attack a cinema during his favorite movie
and be talked on the news for days

after i analysed all the released info of the killing ... i started connecting dots
let me think out loud here for a moment .. but i suspect a cover up / false flag
i might be wrong .. its speculations
but what if this was not a coincidence .. it seems the timing was perfect for this to happen

1) Big Public place --> Cinema = No guards

2) Gunman was covered head to toe -> witness cant confirm shooter face
the elites can now put anybody face they want on TV
and say this was the shooter (young friendly but shy neighboor
who even had a beer with a adult black guy at the bar and didnt seem at all to have mental issue
went to college with a smily friendly picture .. he didnt had the killer profile

3) Gunman came from the side exit door : That door is usualy locked for good reasons
that mean someone must have left that door unlock / opened for him

4) Movie was The Dark Knight Rise with many conspiracy surrounding it
if the elite made that movie for a purpose .. then they surely want something
someone mass murdering people during the FIRST movie release exactly after midnight
the dark knight rise will be all over the news .. and really feel like a dark knight has risen
surely far away to be a white knight

5) It would provite an excellent argument to sign the gun law
such mass shooting in a public place where he shot apx 80 people (15 killed - 71 wounded)
they say it is the biggest mass shooting event in america history
1 gunman shot apx 80 peoples .. that never happened

6) Booby trapped appartment ? how convenient
now reporters and cameras needs to be 1 km away from the appartment
they "evacuated" all surrounding building
are they scare we find that it was NOT the gunman
the swat probably needed to create themself the trip wires
and create booby traps .. and then take pictures and show it to the world
it can also serve has a false flag .. release chemical (they say the killer have some)
or a bomb that will destroy the building itself while destroying all proof
that it was not the gunman ..

7) Covered Gunman was emotionless/mindless and didnt say anything during the entire shooting
so nobody could voice identify him or even recognise the shooter eyes (had a mask)

im sure im missing a few detail
but this is what i think .. any #8 ?

Interesting

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat

Originally posted by DriCo04
So one of the victims, the girl that survived the shooting in Toronto tweeted this minutes before being murdered by the nut:

"“This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away,” she wrote. “I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court. An odd feeling which led me to go outside and unknowingly out of harm’s way. It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around how a weird feeling saved me from being in the middle of a deadly shooting.”

Read more: www.foxnews.com..."


Very odd.

Yes it's weird. As I wrote above, her brother seems strangely calm and is almost directing people in what to think about events!

She did not tweet this before she died. this was from a blog post she wrote just after the toronto incident. her last tweet was something about how the movie doesn't start for another 20 mins. Stop spreading false information.

reply to post by DriCo04


I'm pretty sure that's from her blog.

reply to post by Ben81


When you have a moment, check out ZiggyMojo's compilation of the facts on page 67. It's a great place to get all the info we have right now.

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
I have noticed Obama came out in mourning and sadness. This from the same President who has a much widely published "kill list" where he picks which "enemies" of the US are to be killed. Perhaps living in this kind of heavily militarized atmosphere contributes to the kind of thinking that results in these kind of atrocities.

And im sure you didnt give a damn when bush had his "kill list"....

Not meaning to be disrespectful to those who were injured and died in the theatre, but I wonder if someone who was making a cam video of the movie for piracy upload purposes caught this on their camera....just a thought.