Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

Originally posted by Philly2012

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by MauiStacey
I am a resident of Columbine in Littleton, CO. I call a staged event with this shooting.

I watched her "brother" on channel 9 news and he seemed to be acting.

Look at this blog he supposedly made.

www.jordanghawi.com...

How on Earth did a grieving man have time to fly from San Antonio to Denver, go to the crime scene and be on the Channel 9 News AND write a blog about his sister?

I think this whole thing is staged in order to instill more fear in us. Next we will have to go through metal detectors and a pat down to go to a flippin' movie.

You're entirely wrong .. a friend of mine's cousin was wounded in this attack, and her boyfriend killed.. this is not a staged event.

If I may, perhaps your friends cousin was indeed there and indeed wounded, the thing is... Holmes could have been shooting to wound and the 12 dead could be fake I.e. plants, yet through the chaos of the whole scene, the authorities staged the deaths. Real event, just designed to be a mass wounding spree colored as a killing spree, achieves same effect but saves lives but still is portrayed as real.

You should be flagged for silliness. Not EVERY BAD THING THAT HAPPENS IS A CONSPIRACY. Plants, sleepers, agents, blah blah blah. I know it's hard to face reality at times for all of us - but the fact is we don't have a great understanding of the human mind. This guy apparently started to snap at least a month ago when he dropped out of school.

What's the motive behind your so-called conspiracy? Just because this only happened 12 hours ago doesn't "leave EVERYTHING up for debate". It only means we have some preliminary information. This is right up there with "the 10 thousand 9/11 witnesses were paid actors". I'm sure the SAG union wishes they had another 10 thousand people to collect dues from.

Originally posted by miniatus
Well it's been debated throughout this thread.. I disagree with you completely though.. there's just no way, or extremely unlikely anyway that anyone with a weapon in that theater could have stopped a man in full armor ( including neck and head ) armed with an assault rifle, shot gun and hand guns.. as well as a room full of tear gas.. just not happening..

First, while I agree with you that the likelihood of a citizen responder being able to stop this incident is low I think the major factor would be luck (proximity to the shooter when the incident started) and timing (the crowd).

I think the single largest factor in the situation would be that the incident took place in a crowded theater. Any citizen responder would have to be very calm under pressure and a good shooter to not hit a bystander in that mess.

I think that fact alone would be more of an impediment to citizen response than his helmet and armor.

With regard to the CS or “tear gas” – I don’t see that as much of an issue. Modern theaters are very large with high ceilings and CS gas while designed to linger at ground level longer would have to be very concentrated to have a debilitating effect. In a large area CS gas is a nuisance at best. In his case it worked as intended as a panic amplifying agent.

Now on to the body armor vs. pistols debate.

I have personally been struck in the back by a round while wearing a military vest with a back plate. I can assure you (since I am typing this) what would have otherwise been fatal was not.

That said, I also have to weigh in that it is not something one just shrugs off. I was also knocked off my feet and very much out of breath and disoriented. I was most certainly out of the fight for a bit . Thankfully, I had no real damage other than some very serious bruising and pain which lasted about 3 weeks.

As for the helmet, same rules apply. The substantial energy of the round has to go somewhere and most of that will be absorbed some by the padding and the straps designed for such purpose. Even so, the whiplash effect to the neck and the shock to the brain can be traumatic and severe.

Personally, this is the reason I carry the .45 even if the target has a vest I guarantee he/she will feel like she just got kicked by a horse and be very disoriented at least and incapacitated momentarily.

Those moments are the ones you need to use to close with and make the lethal shot.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by SilentKoala
Prepare for more anti-gun laws and "domestic terrorism" propaganda...

I would love to see your stance on guns when someone guns down your loved ones.
I guess all we can do is wait and see.

Really? You think a pro-gunner would change their stance if a loved one was a victim of gun violence? I had two acquaintances murdered with a common kitchen knife, but I still use one for my steaks. I've known several people killed in car accidents, but I still drive one. I had a friend of a friend killed on a motorcycle just last weekend, but I still rode mine later that day.

You really think we ought to ban everything that ever killed anybody?

Then why is pot illegal?

The fact that guns are need by some shows the level of intelligence in this society has dropped. If you need to carry a crude projectile firing weapon then you or the people around you are pathetic goons who shouldnt even be breathing the same air as me.

Whoa there, cool guy.. slow down a bit.. Now anyone who carries isn't up to your standards? Wasting your air supply? The mods keep shouting to keep this on topic but every other post is just bashing any gun owning CCW'er.

Originally posted by senselessness
reply to post by Valhall

 

You don't know what I know.

So don't tell me what I can and can not say or do.

Thanks.

F.Y.I. Most victims were treated for tear gas inhalation only, not gun shots. Go ahead and read this topic from the beginning for links to sources.

I have read it from the beginning. That's why I'm sick to death of you repeating the same thing on almost every page.

My cousin was one of the people wounded apparently. I'm finding out more info and will share it when I find out more.

My heart goes out to the victims of this Tragedy.

That being said, I've been reading through these comments, and it's absurd to think this was any sort of conspiracy. This is just a random act, by a pissed off individual.

I just hope that it causes the movie theaters to be less packed when i go see Batman this weekend.

Originally posted by sirnukeem
People never should of been allowed costumes..

No one notices this guy in full combat gear>?

Overkill again.

Really? Outlaw costumes? Outlaw guns? Outlaw hats and sunglasses? Outlaw sharp objects, get rid of curbing on streets, make all speed limits 15 miles per hour, don't let our women and children out after dark, I mean where does it end?

Costumes didn't kill anybody, some pscyho did! So we outlaw guns and costumes, and then he decides to just wait outside the door, and shank each person as they exit. Shank and yank them out of the way, shank the next, shank, and yank. No costume, no gun. Or maybe he just drives his car up to the exit doors and blocks them and catches the place on fire? He is a PSYCHO intent on killing. We can't blame the gun or the costume.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Thank you, that is some verifiable evidence. I'm just trying to stomp out all the rumors and unconfirmed information so we have a good set of data to draw conclusions from.

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
reply to post by Laokin

 

Where did you see that he only had on a Kevlar vest and riot mask? I have seen several reports that said he also had a throat and groin guard as well as protection for his extremities. I also have read reports of both riot masks and gas masks.

You can act like Rambo at a computer desk but the truth of the matter is, its not an issue of what you would or wouldn't do. There are other threads to discuss that. This is about the facts of the event, and dissecting the shooting and chain of events. Please keep the semantics and political banter for other threads.

Throat and groin guards don't stop bullets. They stop baseballs.

It's not acting like Rambo, it's acting responsibly in the favor of other people. If I was in that theater and I wasn't shot right off the bat, he would have been dead. I have CWP and carry everywhere except banks, schools, libraries, and police stations. If more people did, this wouldn't have happened, and if it DID happen, it would have lasted all but 10 seconds.

P.S.

Stop trying to be a thread nazi, the Title is "Mass Shooting In Aurora, CO" as in all discussion pertaining therein. It's not just whatever ZiggyMojo deems acceptable....

Originally posted by sirnukeem
People never should of been allowed costumes..

No one notices this guy in full combat gear>?

Great Idea!

I just saw a clown going to a kids birthday party, down the street. What should I take him out with?

All kidding aside it depends on where you live, because in a big city you get all kinds of people wearing freaking costumes to public events.

Ever been to a large college or pro sporting event? Man talk about fanatics wearing strange things. lol

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask

 

Thank you, that is some verifiable evidence. I'm just trying to stomp out all the rumors and unconfirmed information so we have a good set of data to draw conclusions from.

Not a problem man im trying to come up with as much as I can too

Such a tragic case, like you , i think people need to stick to facts before a knee jerk reaction.......

Thats how things spiral out of control........

Great job on your fact gathering

How did he even get into the theatre in full tactical gear?

I was just saying yesterday that Obama needs a big diversion from this birth certificate thing. Looks like he got one. Carry on.

I am noticing several brand new members telling us to lay off the mk ultra/conspiracy stuff. That just seems odd.

Who knows what happened at this point, but there are some weird details and it doesn't seem like it hurts anybody to discuss possibilities.

What's more, I wonder if this horrible event will be referenced at all in soothing public outcry for the signing of the UN gun treaty next week.

reply to post by Valhall


Well, I'm sick of people telling me I'm wrong over and over, and sick of watching people spread false information. So I am going to repeat myself until people have the right information. If you are sick of seeing me repeat myself, then you should be sick of watching the people ignorantly tell me I am wrong, and help straighten out the facts....

Ah whatever, I'm talking to zombies.

Any info on the apartment situation? Flipping through HLN/MSNBC/FOX/CNN all I've seen the past few hours is some old footage and then about 10 minutes ago I saw a brief clip of what looked like firefighters putting a full black trashbag into a blue container (looked like a plastic tote for evidence).

Quite a few hours ago all the news places were saying they were sending in a robot, I would have expected a least an update as of now.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by sirnukeem
People never should of been allowed costumes..

No one notices this guy in full combat gear>?

Overkill again.

Really? Outlaw costumes? Outlaw guns? Outlaw hats and sunglasses? Outlaw sharp objects, get rid of curbing on streets, make all speed limits 15 miles per hour, don't let our women and children out after dark, I mean where does it end?

Costumes didn't kill anybody, some pscyho did! So we outlaw guns and costumes, and then he decides to just wait outside the door, and shank each person as they exit. Shank and yank them out of the way, shank the next, shank, and yank. No costume, no gun. Or maybe he just drives his car up to the exit doors and blocks them and catches the place on fire? He is a PSYCHO intent on killing. We can't blame the gun or the costume.

Just the costumes in a theater... Can't wear masks in a bank or convenient store
its a private owned business they can ban whatever the hell they want
People would of atleast noticed somethings up with this nut.

P.S.

Stop trying to be a thread nazi, the Title is "Mass Shooting In Aurora, CO" as in all discussion pertaining therein. It's not just whatever ZiggyMojo deems acceptable....

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by Valhall
Just in case it wasn't posted. Here are the transcripts of the first 30 minutes of radio communications by police:

news.blogs.cnn.com...

Just a few minutes into the situation they said that by the smell of things they believed the gas was OC (pepper spray).

Thank you for posting this, it helps explain why my mother in law started taking bodies out and evacuating them as fast as she could upon arrival.

this transcript is an excellent resource for this thread.

God Bless,

Originally posted by CloseEncounter
Just stop with the MK ultra stuff already, Unbelieveable people.

Isn't it amazing how these types of events bring out the totalitarian within us all?

We think "Everyone should do this or that", and don't care how restrictive or domineering it is.

Pretty interesting psychological effects things like this have on our mindsets.

People not involved in any way at all, mere bystanders, feel the need to get really pushy and demand concessions from others immediately. They begin to speak against natural human rights in the assumption that it somehow protects human rights to do so.

Double-think is pervasive and has saturated the population.

Anyone need a subject to write a dissertation for Psychology? Here it is: How people react to mass killings, and seek to find ways to explain all of the little facets of it. And then U2U me with a copy because I'd love to see your professional assessment.