It's time my story needs to be heard

Originally posted by NarcolepticBuddha
9 flags and only 1 reply? That's a new one on me. Come on, guys, I know it's long and fantastical (but not fictional), but some sort of discussion would be helpful..or perhaps share your own very twisted tale.

I tried to keep it as readable and tolerable as possible in terms of length..and believe me, there is plenty I left out for the sake of keeping it a one-sitting read.

It would have been a few more full posts if I had even bothered to get into my sleep paralysis/ astral projection and meditation experiences..as well as my lifelong synchronicities with 11:11 and 4:44 and other events.

I know it sounds a little too good to be true that I epitomize so many ATS topics..after all, that's what brought me here.

This is one case where truth is FAR, FAR stranger than fiction could ever hope to be, but I'm not going to write a biographical tall-tale..this stuff is only for the people of ATS.

I understand it gets tiring to read very long threads like this. A little feedback is all I ask. I'm not in it for the stars and flags...but for the wealth and wisdom of your responses!

Thanks again for any meaningful posts.

edit on 13-7-2012 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)

HI, I don't know why but I believe that we are cross-bred aliens. I can not say where I have got that idea but I have had it since I was 10 or 11 .I can't explain it but I have this "gut" feeling that this is true to the core of my being. I have seen paranormal events that I can not explain rationally or through science.

Though I am skeptical of what anyone says I have learned to take what people say at face value and then let the chips fall where they may.

As a person who has issues sleeping I can understand what your saying....

Originally posted by Milkflavour
reply to post by IAmD1

 

Hey, thanks for interjecting

I actually agree with much of what you've written there and I think it's interesting that you make a distinction between religion and spirituality.
I think perhaps I was being unfair and a over-generalising. You might be right, perhaps science and spirituality (in thē sense you described it) are essentially looking for the same thing but in different ways. I'm afraid that I often get stuck on the 'spirit' part of spirituality that implies there is a 'soul' and ghosts and a god and an afterlife and whatnot... That doesn't sit well with me at all.... The idea of a universal interrelation between all things however is perfectly sound science, the 'holy grail' of science (if you can stomach such a concept ;o) is a unified theory of everything.... A theory that incorporates all things and explains the nature of all things... Whether you chose to define that as a spiritual connection or not is up to the individual I guess...

What I meant about science seeking to disprove itself is true though. Yes, they accept certain things as a given (or they'd have nothing to work on/from) but the objective is to poke holes in the theory in order to develop a more comprehensive and watertight explanation.... Another FANTASTIC book that explains the development of modern science, from it's early days all the way to recent times is 'You are here: a portable history of the universe'
This contains a great explanation and insight into how science works to disprove itself and develop its theories (that's another one to pick up from the library

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You're welcome and I am glad it was well received

I can certainly both stomach the concept of a holy grail and the idea of unified theory. I agree that science as a whole, although scientists as individuals might not , do look for ways to disprove and improve theories. Thank you for the reading tip I will definitely make sure I look for the book, when my time for reading again has come.

I'd like to add that in terms of finding a unified theory of everything we do need to see science investigating much more of the spiritual ideas and spiritualism incorporating scientific fact. I really do feel that we as beings were given both of these interrogation skills for a reason. Perhaps the reason is that without both ways of taking measurement and investigation our surroundings and internal worlds we will never be able to see the complete picture.

To Narcolepticbuddha - thank you for being the spark of a much interesting thread and discussion

Hmm. The straightened spinal column seems to entice sleep paralysis to happen..Sounds like a yoga/ meditation posture to me. Hmm, very interesting indeed. Maybe, just maybe this sleep paralysis is something other than a "dream glitch".

Interesting, I always sleep on my back, it just seems natural to me. Perhaps, as you say we are meant to experience this phenomena. I wonder if it is a time for re programming of our consciousness. During these times there is no doubt in my mind that my awareness is in a different place entirely. If humanity where to ascend to another level of consciousness, I am sure that the experience would be much like this to start with.

I wish you much love and peace in your life and a resolution to what it is that haunts you.

reply to post by ancientalien2011


Hinduism is a very difficult path to follow. It requires you to make the effort on your spiritual journey without seeing results for a very long time. We have much negative karma to resolve. It is a slip-and-slide back and forth.

Have faith, my friend. Jai Krishna. Jai Guru Dev.

Alright, it has just come to my attention that this thread is the top topic on the ATS homepage. I never would have thought in my wildest dreams that this thread would get so much attention!

Furthermore, I never expected the exemplary quality of content and discussion from virtually every single poster! Thanks goes to everybody for providing civil, thought-provoking discussion and sincere support. If this isn't what ATS should be, then I must be in the wrong place!

reply to post by IAmD1


I'd like to add my appreciation for an interesting thread and discussion also

In relation to the necessity for both science and spirituality; I am most interested in the idea of spirituality and it's role in achieving a well-rounded and 'complete' personality. I belive I have almost no 'spiritual' side to me at all but feel too that I am missing out as a result.. Anyway, this isn't the place for that discussion so;", when I am able to, I intend to start a thread on this subject... I will be interested to hear the views of the ATS members....

reply to post by kennyb72


Indeed. Once sleep paralysis begins, it is what is in our minds and hearts that mold the experience. If this isn't a prelude to any kind "ascension" or wake-up call for change..then I have no idea what is. It is a test of our strength of character.

It is often claimed that sleep paralysis is the first stage for astral projection and OOBE. I think that sleep paralysis is kind of a buffer to make sure we're not entering the spiritual realm with fear and hurt.

I could be wrong though. It would be nice to get some true professionals in this discussion. I am no expert on astral projection/ OOBE. I have experienced it a few times in connection to sleep paralysis, but am by no stretch of the imagination an expert. I do not seek to have astral projection or OOBE experiences. I do very well in deep meditation or prayer.

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha
What an incredible insightful thread,my hats off to you for telling your story.
I have vague memories as a child of odors and visions I can't quite bring out to the surface.Could be something could be nothing but dreams or nightmares,although I have always wanted to see a hypnotherapist I haven't yet.
There are so many things we don't know about this life,the longer I live the more I don't understand if that makes sense?So many questions...

A lot of people search for the meaning in life very few find it,maybe your one of the few that has found it.

Good luck in your journey,may you find peace and serenity in your life.

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha

Totally AMAZING! I am speechless! I am pretty good at reading people and I believe your story %100.
I truly hope you find what your looking for and I wish the best of health.

reply to post by Milkflavour


Sure, it's the place to have this discussion, but I also encourage you to write your own thread to get your thoughts expressed thoroughly and clearly.

Did you see that I used to be a stern atheist turned to spiritualist? Now, I am not saying to bow down to God. You must make that decision as an informed decision. Faith alone cannot bring people to their knees. This is why I stress the importance of observation in spirituality. You will know what is right and wrong. Intuition is the key.

Whether you are determined to be a spiritual seeker or not...isn't it worth it to just mellow out do whatever good on this earth that you can? That, my friend, is all the spirituality I ask of anybody.

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha

I have had the loud awakenings from a deep sleep before. They seem so real that when I get up and my wife is still sleeping, I wake her up and ask her why she didn't hear it. It usually doesn't make her very happy, but it does happen.

Your life story seems to point to an amazing journey. You certainly have a purpose here and I hope your spiritual guidance stays as strong as it is now. Not much else to offer, but I am glad you survived the cancer and could share your amazing story with us.

Originally posted by nighthawk1954
reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha

 

Totally AMAZING! I am speechless! I am pretty good at reading people and I believe your story %100.
I truly hope you find what your looking for and I wish the best of health.

Someone believes a post %100? Wow, this is a changing day for ATS Thank you for your read and post. I know it may not seem like much, but I think that lying on a thread about these kinds of things is a very demented and sickening thing to do. Yet, obviously someone, somewhere is going to do it for juvenile laughs.

Now, my word may not mean much on ATS. But the events and images I described are absolutely %100 the truth.

I began having sleep paralysis about 5 years ago just before I started dating my current girlfriend. My first episode there was someone standing over me... I called him the shadow man. Because I couldn't quite make it out. But was frozen and couldn't move or scream. I continued having sleep paralysis over and over again till the point where once I realized I was in that state I would calm myself and found that by doing so I could literally lift out of my body. I have not had an episode in about 6 months since I learned to do this.

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha


I have also seen the robed being....floated into my bedroom, and just like yours: was surprised I could see him. BUT, I could not see his face. I have only seen him once, in the middle 1990's. I also have had sleep paralysis since childhood, and now sometimes full conscious obes. I would love to talk with anyone that has experienced meeting these "beings".

reply to post by Enemyc0mbatant


I hate to do this..but in the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi, "You've just taken your first step into a much larger world." They will come and go--the sleep paralysis. I would suggest doing a bit of research on the scientific explanations (but don't dismiss the spiritual interpretations either).

They will come and go with stress and other hurdles you overcome. It is completely inducible and abort-able too. I believe that sleep paralysis is a prelude to astral projection. But, now we're heading outside of my area of expertise. Not to worry, there is a wealth of discussion on ATS and in numerous other sources on astral projection and OOBE.

Most important, don't be scared. Show strength and courage no matter what you see in this paralysis state. And yeah, you'll probably hear all kinds of weird noises too.

Originally posted by Winter13
reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha

 

I would love to talk with anyone that has experienced meeting these "beings".

As would I. If anybody here knows something we don't..now is the time to join the discussion. You say yours was also surprised that you could see it? Very fascinating. Thanks for including that bit of info. I did not actually see its facial expression change. I could simply "feel" and sense its surprise though. Like it was caught with its pants down or something. Weird that there was no change in facial expression though.

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reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha


Well, I would say that I'm a pretty mellow fellow most of the time and I try to always do my best by myself and others. I try to do good where I can, I'm an open and honest person and I see the good in others. My 'problem' (if it could be described as such) is that, through my upbringing, education and experience I have developed a very rational, fact-based view of the world. It is not through choice but through automatic and long ingrained behavioural patterns, lack of any actual paranormal, spiritual or otherwise unusual experience and a need for solid, varifiable evidence to form opinions, that I am unable to accept 'spiritual' concepts, the existence of a higher power or of some kind of spiritual interrelatedness of all beings and things. However, I have come to feel that, because I lack this dimension to my personality, I am missing out on a great many experiences (hence the interest in the precious comment about the necessity of both scientific study and spiritual exploration). My questions are really these: how is it possible to 'develop' a spiritual side if your mind automatically finds rational experiences for things (I have a pretty extensive knowledge of sciences and I am able to access this information pretty much straight away so, as soon as I am presented with anything unusual I am able to formulate well reasons explanations without even really thinking about it, this is obviously a hindrance when trying to explore thē more spiritual side of life). How am I to begin on a spiritual journey if I don't believe in spiritual phenomena (does this make sense?)
Also, on a slightly different note, if I have developed, through no fault of my own but through my upbringing, experineces and education, a viewpoint that cannot accept a higher power (let's say; god, as the Christian church would understand it) then how could 'god' punish me for my lack of faith?b(which is certainly what most religions say: if you don't believe, you're off to hell). I realise this is kind of off Topic which is why I said it wasn't really the place for it... I hope this doesn't affect this otherwise very interesting thread...

reply to post by Milkflavour


It makes perfect sense. And this is the Gray Area. And I encouraged people to come forward with questions and experiences. If the mods choose to--they can pretty much just trash the whole thread as off-topic

I was once in your place. I had a similar upbringing too. I scoffed at religion and Christianity every chance I got. I'll tell you something. No one can just "want" a spiritual side like it was a neat fad. That's called faking it. And I don't think any higher powers or God would ever want anybody to fake it.

I did not ask for any of my experiences. They all just fell in my lap. The long, difficult bout with cancer tore me down and I was forced to rebuild myself in many ways.

I think everybody will go through such a rebuilding process when their time is right. Just stay thy course! But make the choice to do good when you can.

reply to post by NarcolepticBuddha


See, that's pretty much my point, you can't just decide to be a spiritual person but, as spirituality is supposed to be universal then it seems a bit silly that only certain people are given the opportunity to experience it.... And that begs my second question really. If I have no spiritual side, through no fault of my own, how could god, in fairness, punish me for my lack of faith?

I will always try to do good and to be a decent person, that's a given as far as I'm concerned... That ought to be humanities default setting really....