Australia Is A Facist Dictatorship

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by steve1709

 

Sending Australian and Kiwi soldiers to wars created by the US is not sending our soldiers to fight for Australia but for a bunch of psychotic rich idiots! There is no honor fighting a war by invading another nation for their rich mineral contracts!

But there's money and profit in it. And money is what keeps the government, and the rich getting richer.

War is profitable. I guess at some point the Australian government was probably told, behind closed doors of course, you want a slice of the profits and enough oil to keep your population going for a few more decades, then you throw your lot in with us. Corporation and government, in each others pockets since capitalism began.

Governments don't care about honour, or causes, they certainly don't care about the true meaning of a military, which is to defend the borders and citizens of it's own country from outside threats, nor about the cost of a human life. It's about profit. And war is profitable. If it wasn't, no one would do it.

yeah, get involved and be absorbed and reprogrammed by the same system that is controlling you!

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Out of curiosity have you ever thought about bitching less and actually getting off your butt and doing something about it?

Anyone can complain as its the easiest thing to do when their is a problem.. People dont seem to understand that in order to fix something one must engage and push for solutions.

Get involved.....

If your response is going to be it doesnt matter because your vote doesnt count or some other excuse then why bother to even complain at all?

Western democracy allows the people to elect a puppet government. New governments might make cosmetic changes, but the broad lines always stay the same. It's genius. Bankers truly are the master race - no homeland, no honor, only profits.

Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't Australia under the rule of the queen? I thought it was considered a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy. As long as you are under the royal famiily, you can never consider yourselves a free nation. I for one cannot understand why monarchies still exist, or why for that matter all of the allies of the US are monarchies since we are supposed to be making the world safe for democracy. Here in the US we are losing our rights little by little because for the most part, people don't care enough to get off their rumps and do something about it. As long as it doesn't affect them personally, it isn't there problem.

Originally posted by borracho
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't Australia under the rule of the queen? I thought it was considered a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy. As long as you are under the royal famiily, you can never consider yourselves a free nation. I for one cannot understand why monarchies still exist, or why for that matter all of the allies of the US are monarchies since we are supposed to be making the world safe for democracy. Here in the US we are losing our rights little by little because for the most part, people don't care enough to get off their rumps and do something about it. As long as it doesn't affect them personally, it isn't there problem.

Your partially correct, actually Australia is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy. And I agree with you, I do not support a monarch as head of state, I support an Australian republic.
But just to let you know the Queens official title in Australia is Queen of Australia, but she is also the head of state of 16 other Commonwealth members which is just a load of crap.

CrimsonKapital

reply to post by alfa1


The system of government you are describing is not a democracy but a republic. Democracy is an overused and often misleading description of many of the worlds governments. While democracy is flawed in that little more than half can control a little less than half, so is a representative democracy such as a republic, and I will tell you why.

There is too much information. Those who are elected are often incapable of understanding the scope of societies issues and therefore focus much of their energy in the creation of primary policies. Furthermore, this often why they are elected in the first place, which shows an inability of the common man to see past singular concerns and look a the big picture.

Beyond the inability of those who are elected, to understand and, therefore, solve many problems facing modern man, there comes a problem of political bribery. To enact particular laws deemed necessary by a rep. or a group of reps they must give in to third party demands which are often unwanted by the voting public. This is why most are unhappy with the decisions of their reps.

Then there is just good old fashioned corruption that exists in ALL forms of government. It is wrong but it cannot be fixed. It is has been fought and been lost to by every great nation that has existed. I need say nothing more on topic.

To conclude this rant, I must admit that I myself lack the "know how" to solve the situation, but am in no way advocating anarchy. Therefore, to you who has created this thread I feel your pain, however, you must understand that a representative democracy is painful and often unjust. Without the dissolution of your system nothing for desire can come to be, and with its dissolution, the following chaos may create a system that is far worse. For the member I am replying to I ask that you do not bash a person who is a part of a system that can not be salvaged simply through election. The illusion that one can make a difference is ridiculous. Everything cooperation and debate, and even in that virtue which has played a huge role in the human ability to adapt, I see little light upon the horizon.

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Dear CrimsonKapital, ATS Readers, Writers,

I have read the entire thread up to page 5... and am quite amazed at the thread..the responses, etc.

It hits VERY close to home, the subject of the OP, and etc.

I am an American.. married to a Brisbane lady, and am in the process of immigrating to Australia. I have fallen in love with a country, as well as a wonderful lady.

It is a matter of "perspective" mostly I think.. FIRSTLY, you make a excellent point, and your concerns are WELL FOUNDED..

If you could RE-WALK a bunch of miles in my mocassins... you would see my point here. I am TRYING LIKE HELL to leave a REAL FASCIST STATE, compared to your expression of an OZ fascist mess... TO ME.. Oz is a paradise!!!!!!!

But then again, the USA is STILL a far cry from what Hitler established as a fascist state.. perspectives again, in degrees...lol.

To me, it seems the world has been overtaken by a cabal, that has an agenda.. we peasants aren't a part of. ( Or considered as such by the "elite" ) They are using the tried and true results of "OFFERING" the Oz public two choices, BOTH of which SUCK like a Hoover..

You wind up with hopefully, "the lesser of two evils"; but it is a lesser evil, none the less.. arsenic or cyanide.. choose your drink my friend... belly up to the pub bar,, and have a pint or two..

Queenslands recent slap in the face to Gillards political party... in the elections might be a sign of the times and begin a big change in your politics?? But then again, the bullcrap law or tax is still "on the books".. and would require major mess to reverse it I presume?

It was all stinking propaganda.. it is all EVERYONE gets anymore, from where ever they live..

Now, science has admitted a lot of what this CT was based on, is definately flawed science, etc.. sigh.. when ever any government gets in a hurry to do something, that is when you better be double careful..look at the war forever crap brought on by these laws enacted in the USA...grrrr, and vast majority over here are/were against it all as well, and you better not complain...many consequences.. jobs, pay rate, in some cases hasseled by the authorities, etc.

Oz reminds me of the political atmosphere of my youth in USA as far as Nanny state stuff to some degree, but especially in the "fascist" area of concerns..in time Oz would, or will be right there with the mess they have made of the USA.. unless it is reversed, or corrected somehow, and hopefully by a peaceful process.

Perhaps Australias mandantory voting by all law, could fomment the change needed, as in my current lost country I live in, it is not mandantory, and usually a very low turn out to vote is achieved. Local politics even worse..last election locally, only 17% of the people voted!!!!

A viable third party choice??, HONEST, TRUSTWORTHY, with NO CORRUPTED by the NWO types, CFR types, etc, etc.. is needed.

It is a process I wont be able to get involved in for at least 4 yrs from now. But SOMEHOW, Australians really need to be paying attention, and getting their representatives in Parlament to vote per their mandates.. or else VOTE THEM OUT!!! And get someone who looks out for their electorate first!

But for ME, in my own perspective.. Australia is the paradise found, yeah it might have some issues, and too bad the gun thing happened..big mistake.. my opinion only again. BUT ALL IN ALL, to me, yes, it is the NEW freedom, and world..for me.

Australia can still turn it around and stop this new weird world movement kinda.. modern fascism... it is a mix of all of the "-isms".. all of the political types lumped into one, and it even comes with its own form of religion..

Australia also is NOT burdened with ungodly national debt like the USA is... keep it that way Ozzians if you possibly can! Debt is one form of death for a nation.

Wild thought here... what IF Oz was able somehow to be a nuetral in the #storm coming at us all??? Kinda like the Swiss folks.?

They got a big plan for the world, it is ongoing now... thus the great turmoil.. Order out of Chaos.. remember these words.

Loved the responses from my future fellow countrymen and ladies.. the easy life, and the TV is a big part of folks not being involved. The influences and life long "programming" play a huge part.

In our war of independence from the UK.. only 5 to 7% got involved in that dispute as well. Most were fence sitters. human nature does not change.

We will soon see people getting real pissed off and acting out over here I think.. doing really dumb things, and riots etc.. hopefully not...but...

Oz still has so much that I see already gone from my country...and THAT could be the saving grace for your wonderful nation. Australia has the had the "luxury" of hindsight, seeing failures other places, and avoiding them there..

Pravdaseeker

Originally posted by deessell
Our representatives no longer represent the people.

Exactly... but I wonder, at what point did this actually happen? At what point did we start allowing our leaders to tell us what issues are important? At what point did our leaders start creating legislation without consulting us? The Hawke government...? Menzies...? Surely not Barton...???

Perhaps my knowledge of political history isn't as thorough as it should be, but it was my understanding that our representatives in government were meant to be a member of the public that speaks out on behalf of the public concerns. As we can't have 22 million people filling the halls of parliament, we have selected one person... one of US... as our united voice.

I don't think that a majority vote, based on the 4 or 5 policies chosen by the two major parties (with the support of the media), is enough to constitute a majority support over whatever the government cares to introduce into our society. I'm reminded of the GST, which, if my memory serves me correctly, was actually rejected via referendum, but then brought in by the Howard government after winning the next election?!

Originally posted by pravdaseeker
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

If you could RE-WALK a bunch of miles in my mocassins... you would see my point here. I am TRYING LIKE HELL to leave a REAL FASCIST STATE, compared to your expression of an OZ fascist mess... TO ME.. Oz is a paradise!!!!!!!

Ha ha... trust me pravdaseeker, USA's title of having the world's MOST facist dictatorship is safe... but our problems here in Australia are still very important to us.

It's true there is little to no difference between Gillard and Abbott. The same is true of Romney and Obama. Not sure about other "free nations" but I suspect it's much the same. No real choice unless you actually believe the RomneyCare guy is going to repeal ObamaCare or Abbott is going to repeal the carbon trading scheme he was for before he was against it. I could go on and on from economic issues to foreign policy and about the only issues you might see some actual disagreement on are issues the oligarchs don't really care about like gay rights.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
I laugh when people start going on about Freedom.
I'm in Australia, right this minute I am free to slack off from work, take a sickie, go to the pub, order a chinese beer while eating asian food, talking about Allah, Jesus, Buddha and wearing any piece of clothing I want.
Im allowed 10 children, 3 dogs, 362 cats and can even put my parents in an old folks home.
I can build a house, own a shop, cut down tree's, buy a car, paint anything i want all from the joy of my own life.
Freedom? you know, if I don’t have freedom them sadly I don’t want or need it, because asking for anything more in life is just being greedy.

Most if not all these thing you list require you to be licensed, so how is that free, especially when some of these licenses require payment to acquire.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
reply to post by deessell

 

hit the nail on the head.

there is no real alternative!

There is, next election don't vote wait until the government continue with they're ramblings and start to try and fine people for not voting and then organize a pause of society to show the big industries (the ones controlling governments) that we the people can stop their money supply by simply stopping for 3-5 days.

Originally posted by deessell

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by deessell
Our representatives no longer represent the people.

When are we going to stop tolerating this and fight back?

When people discover their lives don't begin and end with a dollar, there'll be no fighting then.

Tell that to the working class, the old age pensioners and all the other working poor. A dollar is very important, it is survival.

Quite the opposite actually, when money stops dictating our lives and when humanity stops thriving for material fortunes then there will be no classes. You cannot eat money but money can eat away at you until your a slave of the system.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


You can "complain and bitch" as much as you want. The fact is you are doing something by
drawing attention to it on a forum.
Limbo

Are you serious?
Havent you noticed that the fascists have captured most western countires goverments by now?
Dint anyone terll you we lost the war yet?
Well get ready for a shock because fascism is the new democracy "of Canada, britain, The US, Autralia, and a few other western nations.....
Get used to it, the death camps will come later, but they are on the agenda......

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I like many of you have been keeping a close eye on the loss of freedom in the so called "land of the free", and being replaced by a capitalistic oligarchy.
So it got me thinking about Australias situation and in my opinion we aren't much better. Just because we have "elections" every few years doesn't mean we live in a democracy.
Why?
Because a democracy is where the people have the say on what government policies will be implemented, oh yeah like the carbon tax? We had no say on that matter even though the clear majority of Australians were fiercely against it, how is that in anyway democratic?

Those elections that we have are nothing more than a con for the people, you have a choice to choose between a red clown (Juliar Gillard) and an absolute moron (Tony Abbott), BOTH parties might I add have pretty much the same policies, remember Tony Abbott was actually calling for a carbon tax before last election!!!

In other words you have no choice when it comes to these "elections", they are essentially the same political party. Whilst Juliar Gillard has been busy implementing new totalitarian laws such as "internet censorship".
However, anyone who disagrees with "internet censorship" is labelled a pedophile or protecting pedophiles despite admitting that the censorship will do nothing to stop it!!

I think most Australians were absolutely appauled, if not terrified of the way Julia Gillard came to power. For those of you who don't know, she lobbied with the faceless powerbrokers to bring down the Rudd government, from there she took up title of Primeminister of Australia, WITHOUT a democratic vote of the people.
Other governments around the world took issue with this as they described it as a "brutal" coup.

www.abc.net.au...

And lets not forget that Juliar Gillard IS a member of the Fabian Socialist Society and during her youth was an active communist.

www.abc.net.au...

And lets not also forget how she is silencing the media from reporting on her government, and that she has at least three times now reshuffled her cabinet to stave off any attempts to get her to stand down from office!!

Even if we want to take back our country, the government has already disarmed the population when they took most of our weapons in the Port Arthur false-fla*cough cough* Massacre...

Australians have far less freedom than they seem to think and, for some reason, many are eager to have even less.

edit on 1-7-2012 by CrimsonKapital because: Spelling

Demo = Terror
Cracy = State

Get your pitchforks readied. It's the only way.

Originally posted by NeuronDivide
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

The only difference between the two is that Rudd wanted to sell us out to China. The US wasn't happy about this, and replaced him with Gillard, who is loyal to the US. It's really just a fight over WHO to sell us out to!

Oh I am pretty sure that the average person in both the US and China has not a stake in what really happens in Australian other then the few who may have stock in the companies going over there for the remainder of the industry boom. But the majority know no more about Australia other then there are Kangaroos living there, because they seen it on TV.

So it all becomes, a game of words and what do you exactly mean sell you out to China or the USA. Ah Australia is just starting to get into the mix of things, so far they have been left to themselves but it seems they got stuff in the ground which may be worth something, and so its worth turning a easy profit. And all that is needed to get people behind any plan it seems, is a few shows on the TV with a bunch of actors saying a bunch of things.

And given time once the mining boom dies out and all your resources are belong to us, and everything has run its course and run out. Well what will you all be left with then?

Seeing as I am pretty sure all the profits gotten from this whole business venture will not be coming back to town in the long run in any major way unless you all make a concentrated effort on it being so, but trust me if they can they will rob you blind and call it freedom. In all I think Australia is supposed to become a desolate desert wasteland in the coming centuries or longer or so it was last time I checked.

I suppose...Meh, humans - 0...Desserts - winning.

I would suggest that Australians find there true priorities and stick to them, and get dead serious about them as well. All this red team, blue team crap is for kids and silly people, and will get you nowhere, because not even the ones who are proponents of it actually believe the sh*t that is coming out there mouths. And there backers/sponsors, now way in hell do they believe it its just a good sales pitch. And they merely believe in what is profitable.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I don't know where you live, but my freedoms have certainly become more limited.
I live in a country town where there are no shops, servos, nothing. We are rural & have a river close by that locals would take their dogs for a walk. Signs everywhere, NO DOGS, offenders prosecuted.

My kids used to enjoy taking the dogs down the river & fishing. I felt safer knowing the dogs were with them.My kids now need permits, & if they do catch anything a ranger will be close by to ensure its above the lawful length.
No camping with campfires etc.
I never dreamed I'd ever see my country the way it stands today.
I've got friends who owned a farm for 40 odd years, they have spent the last 20 years fighting the local council who have slowly taken 'pieces' of their land. They are in their late 80's & are nearing the end of their fight ,physically & emotionally.
Just what the ba***rds planned.
If you aren't seeing the change in our country, maybe you are still young & don't remember what we once had.

G'day prav

re "Queenslands recent slap in the face to Gillards political party... in the elections might be a sign of the times and begin a big change in your politics?? "

And look at what Camp newman has done already! Knew that would happen but the idiots still voted him and the pathetic libs in.

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by deessell

Originally posted by AussieAmandaC

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by deessell
Our representatives no longer represent the people.

When are we going to stop tolerating this and fight back?

When people discover their lives don't begin and end with a dollar, there'll be no fighting then.

Tell that to the working class, the old age pensioners and all the other working poor. A dollar is very important, it is survival.

Quite the opposite actually, when money stops dictating our lives and when humanity stops thriving for material fortunes then there will be no classes. You cannot eat money but money can eat away at you until your a slave of the system.

and right there is their speed bump, no faith in themselves, no faith in others to work together should they need it.
Divide and conquer going strong still, or so they think....silly boys/girls
Most people have also forgotten they don't need permission to live.

I see our government trying to get a hold of the balls of the big boys and to counter that they fork out so we agree in the short term. We also as a country are open to friendships with all peoples, not just one or two.
I don't think they're all as a dumb and corrupt as some are trying to lead us to believe.
Krudds a wuss (he should have been playing instead of sleeping, like Julia was ie, takeover happened in the middle of the night), and abbott ppffffttt! You're kidding aren't you...neither of those would be on my wish list.
When those are the alternatives I'll stick to what we got thanks. And minor parties....well....if you go on the logic that only a small number of apples ruin the whole bushel, then they can just sit back too, untried, untested, untrusted as yet.

To the poster above who mentions death camps....they don't need camps man, death is a huge business and big dollars already, why build camps?

The first red head may have had the right idea, but she was way out of her league and her language skills too ocka, this one though, she's a tough nut for sure and knows how to play with the boys.