Australia Is A Facist Dictatorship

reply to post by WorkingClassMan


Pauline Hanson was ahead of her time, they was scared of her because she was political correct.

If she came back into politics now there would be a allot supporting her.
She was not weak she can take a beating, she went to jail. I bet if Julia Gillard ever went to jail she would hang herself.

Julia Gillard is all good and well why she has TPTB behind her. take that away and shes just another person thats been a prime minster. I believe their is something sinister going on behind our governments closed doors, who ever we elect they don't get a say, if they argue they get over thrown. how sad Australian politics have become.

RIP to Australia and what you have become.

Originally posted by amraks
Pauline Hanson was ahead of her time, they was scared of her because she was political correct.

If she came back into politics now there would be a allot supporting her.
She was not weak she can take a beating, she went to jail. I bet if Julia Gillard ever went to jail she would hang herself.

lol Pauline Hanson was a racist moron.

Yes, a racist fish & chip shop owner jail bird is just what this country needs. lol

it would be better than letting the clowns that are running Australia right now.

She wasn't racist either, she was pretty much thinking of our countries security.
Have you not seen her in asia at the moment doing something our government is failing to do.
You can pick up really good fake pass ports, drivers licenses, any degrees you like.

our government at the moment is only worried about raising taxes and giving them selfs a pat on the back for it.

They should be worrying about real topics instead of raising taxes, maybe our unemployment would be less if the government didn't keep making it hard.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


The number one difference is that we went to the polls over the GST. It was a major election draw for both sides, and the Liberals who implemented it won that particular election. So, in a way, we voted the GST in.

The big problem, and it is the same now, is that the government is promising all these tax cuts to ease with the price increases, when the public knows full well the income taxation rate will rise back to the 31% is it now inside of a year, which to me stands out like a clear light this is just a money grab by a broke government. Because if they were serious about it, they would be looking at introducing infrastructure over a period of time to allow greener solutions, and slugging the companies that didn't comply with the green rules.

At the end of the day, both the GST and carbon tax serve one purpose. With around 30% of Australians receiving either a pension, the dole or some kind of government payment, in addition to low income earners under the $16000 threshhold, they are not paying any income tax due to the lowness of their incomes. This fixes it so that all people, regardless, pay towards filling government coffers. Whether it comes from the government coffers or the companies we work for is irrelevant. It's just a way to make sure everyone pays the man at the end of the day, and that no one escapes the taxation system.

With something like 48% of businesses already saying they are going to increase prices to cover the cost of the carbon tax, and the majority of them being retailers (food) and electricity (basic living needs), it just seems more and more obvious the government has lining it's own pockets and not the interests of the people at heart, along with the corporations that rule them.

reply to post by aaron2209


Pauline Hansons views were twisted by the media. Do a little research and have a read of her first speach that she delivered when in government. She was for equality for everyone and for people supporting themselves rather than receiving handouts. She was hardly a racist. She wanted to curb immigration so that we could be self sufficient and she wanted the indiginous to work and contribute to society. She was simply labeled a racist to defame her and stop her rise.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Australians have far less freedom than they seem to think and, for some reason, many are eager to have even less.

Australia is one country that ironically is truly free - for one reason.

You can swear that "there is no Commonwealth upon the continent of Australia" and be set free.

You will no longer be entitled to welfare, public housing, to have a job or even own a phone and you will no longer be an Australian citizen. If you have the wisdom to survive without what the system provides, you can become truly free at any time.

This is the one thing, IMO, that means we aren't actually a slave society. We have a choice in whether to play their game, or not.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
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And lets not forget that Juliar Gillard IS a member of the Fabian Socialist Society and during her youth was an active communist.

Australians have far less freedom than they seem to think and, for some reason, many are eager to have even less.

edit on 1-7-2012 by CrimsonKapital because: Spelling

OP, I agree with most of what you are saying in that being mere spectators to government decision making and action is not government of the people by the people and that we are slowly having our demaocracy is slowly being taken away from us and casting a secret ballot every 3 years does not make a democracy.

Re JG being a member of the fabian society, TA is/was a founding member of the HR Nchols society. Neither of these thing matter because the same people control the left right paradigm. Its just something they invented to the masses disunited and by keeping them fighting among themselves so they wont unite and turn on the eleite, the invisible government.

What the elite fear the most is a united little people because a united little people are bigger and stronger than the elite. The elite remember the French revolution all too well.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Australians have far less freedom than they seem to think and, for some reason, many are eager to have even less.

You can swear that "there is no Commonwealth upon the continent of Australia" and be set free.

Is this referring to this? The Principality of Hutt River

Or is there some other way? The Principality of Hutt River isn't recognised as far as I know, but the Australian government isn't pursuing the matter.

most australians don't seem to give a flying crap...

well they might a bit, but not really enough to get up out of a chair yet.

it's gonna take something worse to get australians off their arses, but if they ever do get angry enough to do something, it's probably not gonna be pretty....

there are quite a few slightly more than usually unstable bogans around here....i wouldn't want to poke them with a stick too much....

reply to post by bluemirage5


Its not that Australians are lazy, far from it actually. Most would rather mumble and groan about it than take the time to give the government a piece of their mind. But with that most are very hard worker and most likely can not afford to protest or simply don't care either.

John Howard made a speech last week also and what he said actually caught my attention for once. He said something along the lines of " Thank God Australia does not have a bill of rights" or maybe he said "constitution", we are a lucky country etc etc... I thought gee, this must be a really bad thing in America. Is it?

I can't find the video or a report on it so I have no source... I will keep hunting..

J.Howard, K.Rudd, J.Gillard, T.Abbott are all just figureheads of their particular parties.
In Oz we vote for the party our Dad and his Dad voted for just as if it was a Football team. This is why you have liberal voting areas and labour voting areas. When I turned 18 my Dad said, Son remember we are a Labour family. So when you go and vote, Vote 1 Bob Hawke.
I soon worked out it doesn't matter who you vote for, there both as bad as each other. They both suck up to big business, they are both controlled by the banks. And they're both little lapdogs to everything that the USA government has to say.
As I said the Prime Minister is just a figurehead, public mouth-peace. They don't call the shots.

In Australia, you don't vote for a prime minister, you vote for a government. The party caucus have always chosen who is the leader . Kevin Rudd wasn't elected prime minister, so much as the Labour Party which he led were elected to govern..... capiche? Its not like voting for a president only, not saying I like it, but its how the voting system works here.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
In Australia, you don't vote for a prime minister, you vote for a government. The party caucus have always chosen who is the leader . Kevin Rudd wasn't elected prime minister, so much as the Labour Party which he led were elected to govern..... capiche? Its not like voting for a president only, not saying I like it, but its how the voting system works here.

edit on 2-7-2012 by zazzafrazz because: (no reason given)

Not completely disagreeing with you here, but the why the green ballot? Why have the member, aka, person, we vote for at the ballots? If all we vote for is the party, then why don't we just have the white ballot of party preferred? When you vote, you vote for both a leader and a party, hence the two ballots.

Given the fact that Gillard has basically been installed as prime minister, shouldn't it be that we then go back to the polls? I just tend to think that the voting public should be able to have referendum, even a compulsory referendum, to have a say on the major decisions in this country. Hell, we did it for a republic, and this is more important to the future of the country than that. It just shows the government cares little for the will of the people and is spitting on true democracy.

reply to post by 74Templar


heya, well you cant disagree with how it's stated factually as working :O

I know what you mean I think, but the way Aussies have to see it for now, and I'm not saying they can't try and change it, you vote in a independent or a party member as your local constituent, and the number of seats they occupy in the majority (currently Labour holds a minority government) is how a PARTY is elected to govern. Now who that party wants as the leader is up to their caucus.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by 74Templar

 

heya, well you cant disagree with how it's stated factually as working :O

I know what you mean I think, but the way Aussies have to see it for now, and I'm not saying they can't try and change it, you vote in a independent or a party member as your local constituent, and the number of seats they occupy in the majority (currently Labour holds a minority government) is how a PARTY is elected to govern. Now who that party wants as the leader is up to their caucus.

edit on 2-7-2012 by zazzafrazz because: (no reason given)

Which is really not true democracy the way I see it. If we're going to only choose a party then they make the rules and install who they see fit as leader of that party, then it really defeats the democratic process. The person with the majority vote should be elected prime minister, not the two-party-preferred system where no matter who gets in we only still have the choice of labour or liberal as the final hand, and then they can make the rules up as they go along.

One thing I can guarantee you is I read today Abbott going on about "day one we will be scrapping the carbon tax." That is just as much BS as Gillard's promise there wouldn't be one. The carbon tax is here to stay, just like the GST, because as I said, it is a guaranteed way to make every person pay the tax man, regardless of what they earn or whether they get government assistance or not.

Unfortunately, we're pretty much doomed until they overhaul the entire system to eliminate this two-party-preferred system we have in place. Neither of them will do what's best for the people while the government is the winner.

Off-topic: Love the new avatar. It rocks

reply to post by 74Templar


Which is more dangerous to democracy? Electing a individual to power or a group of people?

*shrugs* your guess is as good as mine

Cheers Zazzbot


Off topic, TY

, the most awesome fembot artwork I've seen

I am dead set over!, playground judgements from/of the children, over what goes on with particular countries and their policies and who disagrees with who, including our Aussie parliament time, watch it some time.
We too carry on like we're at the top of the food chain on a sunny day.
It truly is rubbish and embarrassing that we can watch them behave like children on the play ground, mean while we're supposed to re-train OUR children not to be bullies, physically and verbally.
wtf?!
Now let's get some reality, shall we?
They're ALL being bullied AND playing around at the same time!
By their peers, by us, by you, by them.
Most of them even actually care.

Knock it off all ready, got some solutions?!?! what's your flavour, middle east style (according to the commercial stations)? Sneaky untrustworthy american politician/wealthy style, truly secretive 'other' (other could be china, russia, germany, indian, indonesian, you pick) style or what?! Don't have to worry about the poor Japanese though do we.

We got our own way, which in reality is a culmination of all styles if you look around some.

Well....do ya?!
Got an alternative solution for all of it? (terrible english, I apologise for that)

Okay I have one.(only one though)...some regulation is okay, because seriously it's going to take a lot of time for the no rules, no money thing,(if it makes you feel better), too much is not okay either.
The banks aren't regulated enough, nor the multi national corporations, who institute some of our policies (we are not stupid or dumb by the way), nor are our politicians, whom incidentally would garner far more respect if they 'en masse donated a whole years worth of salary to someone far away in another country.....and every second years salary after that. They'd have my undivided respect for that alone.
There's an idea for them if they care enough. Dam the money.
Those who would do it for nothing would be worth keeping and those who work for the planet and the people, well what a government that would make for all to mould from.
Take a leaf out of our book for once, even though it's the smallest volume of them all.


hmmmmm...........without their job, there is no money is there? What would there be to govern if there wasn't money in the context we live by? ?!?! hmmmm Oh yeah, infrastructure and stuff, you know, plumbed toilets and such, we've got health care, police, schools, day care. who would do that for nothing? would you? should you?

Trying to generate the same level of hysteria that's already been done before, every where else is not a solution my friend, your thread is a fail to me. It's not about the money or the power.

and I don't want the average joe walking around wielding a gun either, and if it means I don't get to have one, gosh, do I feel left out?
Nope. I don't need one...most Aussies learn they don't need one....
My kids will thank their forefathers for foresight, not blame them for all the wrong they did.
We learn, we remember and we move on, something that will surely catch on.
I would like to see that attitude used to take care of people better, everywhere.
Humanity should be free to flow as the blood in our veins does, when ever, where ever, how ever, all of us.
Evolve already and stop acting like brats who want more all the time, or get involved and change it for the betterment of all.

In all honesty we don't have too much to complain about.....do we.
All you've done is point fingers without substantiated evidence to the contrary or links (not that abc isn't okay).
Jesus!! I can't believe I just said like one of those other dorks on ats always says!

The hyde of me!

ava a great night mate oi :

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
reply to post by 74Templar

 

Which is more dangerous to democracy? Electing a individual to power or a group of people?

*shrugs* your guess is as good as mine

Cheers Zazzbot

No, a good point. A single person elected to power is just a dictatorship, even by democratic means. You can see that here as a micrcosm on ATS. When a decision is made, it is by a group of Mods, not one. The same could be said for government. But as for major decisions, the kind (such as this carbon tax) that could make or break the country, then no. It should be by referendum of the voting populace, and it should be properly educated, not just a flashy flier (at our expense no less) dumped in our letterbox.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I like your attitude P plater,
star

Had a bbq with a group of 20-25 back packer chicks from all over the world ( a couple of weeks ago)and they couldn't believe we could have bbq (gas) facilities on a green grassed ocean foreshore and use when ever, not destroyed or gross.

Adds prospective really.... it's the simple things, I see our government as having supplied these and continuing to do so, regardless of a few complaints.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Well there is a lot wrong with the so called Australian constitution, so much so that it probably deserves its own thread. But overrall most Australians believe it or not have no idea there even is an Australian constitution, that is scary in itself.
We had a bit of talk in this country about creating a bill of rights, but the government promptly said "no", and the issue hasn't been heard of since for over 10 years now.
But thanks for your input, get involved is your message so maybe I just will.