Republicans’ Ex-Spokesman Calls For Armed Rebellion Over Obamacare

reply to post by FlyersFan


Oh come on. You are one of the biggest rightward shills on here. What are you afraid of? I mean most of you righties are certain the military would take your side, so why the apprehension? I mean Do you just talk to hear yourself talk?

Originally posted by solongandgoodnight

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I JUST WANT TO BE FREE

well you do not have the freedom to refuse healthcare now, at least without a penalty.

And did you have a freedom to refuse taxes?

No?

And you live?!

It is funny how people like the country to be strong, are proud about the country, but when it comes to help their fellow countryman who is unable to have insurance, or to pay more to make country a bit better, well - self interest comes into first plan.

reply to post by SuperFrog


It's pretty simple, conservatives and those who would threaten violence over health insurance are all jaws and no ba!!s.

Of all the things to start an armed revolution over, the health care law is the least of our worries.

What about the corrupt federal reserve and the banksters?

What about big Pharma drugging us and screwing with our vaccines so we develop more diseases they create and then profit from the treatments? The FDA turns a blind eye to it and most higher ups in the FDA worked for the very sames companies they regulate.

What about the fact that congress ignores the masses on certain issues to line their pockets from the lobbyist?

Or maybe what about the fact that I got put on an inhibited flight list for admonishing my elected representatives over NDAA 2012?

What about the 30,000 drones most likely armed to be flying over our heads monitoring every thing we do day or night?

What about that? I think most of the healthcare law was a terrible mistake but its relativity small in the the bigger picture.

So you say you want a revolution? Well you know .........

Hmm mmmm. You people calling for an overthrow of the government.... Well in theory it all sounds good and exciting to be part of.... but such is the naive thinking of armchair generals. Most of you unless you are a Vet have no idea how unbearable conflicts like this are. This ain't the movies, or Rambo First Blood, this is........... winters in freezing weather, continuously being on the move and hunted, hungry, thirsty, irritable, diseased, without the amenaties of everyday life. Little or no medical or hygienic capabilities or supplies, weeks without bathing, mosquitos, heat, sweat, and the ever present risk of attack. Competing war lords. Rain, hurricanes, tornado's, heat waves and every conceivable inclement weather. No you armchair generals ate not going to be dirrecting your Guerrilla war with your CB Radios and enjoying the 'Burb' life.

That's not to say I don't think it would not make TPTB take notice and back down, but the cost is a far cry from what comes out of your mouths. Talk is extremely cheap when your in an air conditioned 'fort' barking out commands. You get my drift...!?

Originally posted by DarkKnight76
Oh come on. You are one of the biggest rightward shills on here. What are you afraid of? I mean most of you righties are certain the military would take your side, so why the apprehension? I mean Do you just talk to hear yourself talk?

Oh brother.

So ... because I favor a strong military that makes me 'one of the biggest rightward shills', eh? The fact is that I support assisted suicide for anyone who wants it .. the fact is that I don't support the death penalty .. the fact is that I support same-sex marriage as a civil right ... the fact is that I would prefer Hillary over Obama or Romney ... the fact is that I point out the errors of both Bush and Obama ... the fact is that I support the Constitution and I don't support power grabs by our government .... etc etc ... but I"m a 'rightward shill' according to you. Get a grip.

Now what EXACTLY did I say that makes anyone think I'm afraid of something?
I said I'd never heard of this guy before. And I haven't. (if I have .. he was unmemorable)
I said that protests are fine but we aren't in a state that we need armed rebellion .. yet.
I stand by what I said.

Do YOU just like to hear yourself talk? - to quote you.
Yep ... I"m thinking that's it.

reply to post by SuperFrog

As someone who was born in country where healthcare was guaranteed to everyone, I don't see why something that is in my own opinion humanitarian (everyone SHOULD have a health cover, everyone SHOULD help those who can't have it) is viewed as something bad.

The reason this particular bill is despised is because it is the opposite of what is needed. Instead of demanding we all have insurance, we really need to be controlling the costs of healthcare so insurance is not a necessity. My Dad payed cash for me when I was born, but that would be almost impossible in today's healthcare world. There is no reason a simple doctor's visit should be $400. There is no reason a basic medication should cost 100s of dollars every month. In fact, just last week my wife's insurance company refused to let her fill a prescription even one day early. We were going out of town and she needed it for the trip. We usually pay a $7 co-pay. She talked to the pharmacist, and instead of running it through insurance and paying $7, and letting the insurance company pay another $35 on top of it, we just paid cash, and it was $11. That should be illegal! They should not be able to charge 4x the price to an insurance company than they charge to a cash customer.

I agree with you that we should have affordable healthcare for all. But instead of mandating insurance coverage and driving the prices higher and higher and higher, and writing a 2309 page bill. Instead we need to be regulating the industry to mandate fair and transparent pricing, and prosecuting cases of price-fixing or price-gouging, and we need tort reform to get rid of the ridiculous liability premiums that drive the cost of practicing medicine through the roof.

Originally posted by SuperFrog
everyone SHOULD have a health cover, everyone SHOULD help those who can't have it) is viewed as something bad.

- In a free market, healthcare is a COMMODITY .. not a right. That's just the way it is.

- You telling people that they SHOULD help others by giving up their hard earned money in a tight economy ... that is you imposing your moral beliefs onto others. The left is continually telling the right to mind its own business and not to impose their moral beliefs on others when it comes to abortion. Perhaps the left should take their own advice and not impose their moral beliefs onto others, especially when the moral beliefs of the left will be costing others their hard earned money.

reply to post by RealSpoke


The point of the bill it to overhaul the health care system and make it so that it's more affordable, covers patients better, protects people with pre-existing conditions from being denied health insurance, eliminates limits the amount of care patients can receive, and a bunch of other pretty good things.

The main reason for the mandate is so people won't wait until they're sick to get insurance and if they do insurance premiums won't be affected. If we all just waited until we were sick to get insurance there wouldn't be any funds to pay for it. Also the mandate is structured so that if you cannot afford insurance the government will help you pay for it...I think it was up to around 90%. There are no death panels and there will be no one to counsel older sick folks on dying early. Some one mentioned earlier that it was 2400 pages, I haven't seen that. The copies I have seen have only around 950.

I think it is a good start. Sure it has some flaws but it's a good start. I think most people who are against it haven't read it, outside of listening to Limbaugh, or FOX. Read it for yourself and make your own decision. Here's a link to an interesting breakdown and a link to the bill itself.

www.reddit.com...

housedocs.house.gov...

Originally posted by acuna
The main reason for the mandate is so people won't wait until they're sick to get insurance and if they do insurance premiums won't be affected. If we all just waited until we were sick to get insurance there wouldn't be any funds to pay for it.

It's forcing people who are young and healthy and who wouldn't get insurance, to do so. If those people don't pay into the insurance scam, then there won't be enough money to pay for the middle agers and oldsters who need it. It's taking away the right of younger people (below age 40) to keep their money and do with it as they wish.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


While not a ton shorter it's only around 950 pages...here's a link to it

housedocs.house.gov...

reply to post by GunzCoty


The tax as you know is only levied on those who have refused to get a health insurance plan. If you can't afford one the government will help you pay for it. I think it's up to 90% in some cases. The mandate is also so people won't wait until they're sick or injured to get a plan. It also prevents insurance premiums from increasing to cover those that are uninsured.

Here's a link to the bill

housedocs.house.gov...

reply to post by FlyersFan


That is a good point but I'm not completely sure if I agree with you (seriously not sure ). Shouldn't there be an issue made of mandated care insurance? (I'm spit-balling here) While I know that we have to have car insurance to protect ourselves and the other drivers and our passengers in case of an accident. Aren't we protecting other people form having to pay too much for their insurance? If you choose not to get insurance and you get sick or break your arm you're probably going to go to the doctor or the ER. if you can afford that fine but most of us can't. In that case the system suffers because of a few who suddenly need coverage or financial for those medical services and haven't paid in to the system.


I do believe that health care should be a right.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

But did he have a gun in hand?

It is easy to call for it, a lot more difficult to pick up your pitchfork and march to the capital. If it happens, I'm down, but it ain't gonna happen.

Right on point. The people who scream loudest for war are always too much of a coward to do the fighting.

Originally posted by RealSpoke

Matthew Davis, an attorney in Lansing, sent the email moments after the Supreme Court ruling to numerous new media outlets and limited government activists with the headline:

“Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?” Davis added his own personal note saying, “… here’s my response. And yes, I mean it.” “

“There are times government has to do things to get what it wants and holds a gun to your head," Davis said. "I’m saying at some point, we have to ask the question when do we turn that gun around and say no and resist.

www.michigancapitolconfidential.com...

wonkette.com...

Maybe this republican should be blaming his own party for all of this.

edit on 28-6-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

Oh no our government is making us pay for health insurance, THE TYRANNY. U.S government, tyranically making sure you have health care. You know, I can't take republicans seriously in the first place, but they're claiming that everyone hates Obamacare and that everyone should vote republican now to get rid of it, and now they are calling for armed rebelion yet the only thing in obamacare that doesn't have a positive approval rating is the health care mandate which was preposed by republicans. Rediculous.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DarkKnight76
Oh come on. You are one of the biggest rightward shills on here. What are you afraid of? I mean most of you righties are certain the military would take your side, so why the apprehension? I mean Do you just talk to hear yourself talk?

Oh brother.

So ... because I favor a strong military that makes me 'one of the biggest rightward shills', eh? The fact is that I support assisted suicide for anyone who wants it .. the fact is that I don't support the death penalty .. the fact is that I support same-sex marriage as a civil right ... the fact is that I would prefer Hillary over Obama or Romney ... the fact is that I point out the errors of both Bush and Obama ... the fact is that I support the Constitution and I don't support power grabs by our government .... etc etc ... but I"m a 'rightward shill' according to you.

Get a grip.

Now what EXACTLY did I say that makes anyone think I'm afraid of something?
I said I'd never heard of this guy before. And I haven't. (if I have .. he was unmemorable)
I said that protests are fine but we aren't in a state that we need armed rebellion .. yet.
I stand by what I said.

Do YOU just like to hear yourself talk? - to quote you.
Yep ... I"m thinking that's it.

YOu sound more like a libertarian that a "right winger," but that is just me.

Having spent some time in the former Yugoslavia, an armed civil war on our soil would be a horrible nightmarish thing. Hopefully the political pendulum will swing from the big government, pro-socialist side to more of a free market individual liberty side.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I JUST WANT TO BE FREE

You pay taxes, so that shiny military can protect you, no? Same thing, except its your health that is being protected. And dont go on about my avatar pic plz.

Originally posted by aprofessionalRussian

Oh no our government is making us pay for health insurance, THE TYRANNY. U.S government, tyranically making sure you have health care. You know, I can't take republicans seriously in the first place, but they're claiming that everyone hates Obamacare and that everyone should vote republican now to get rid of it, and now they are calling for armed rebelion yet the only thing in obamacare that doesn't have a positive approval rating is the health care mandate which was preposed by republicans. Rediculous.

Government IS tyranny, whether you're talking about the patriot act, or homeland security, or surveillance drones hovering overhead. But tyranny goes on under republicans and democrats without pause and with ever increasing impositions and aggression so this is not a partisan fight. Very few are calling for armed rebellion over this just one more government mandated imposition, most are simply saying we should resist by not participating. And the less you participate, the freer you will be to make your own decisions.

As far as healthcare is concerned, government has no authority to require that anyone buy a product from private industry. I can't speak for all of the states, but my state constitution forbids such favoritism and I can give you the exacf wording if you like.

The only thing people need is access to medical care without a middle man driving up the costs. Medical costs would plummet if not for that middle man getting in between the decisions made by you and your doctor. This has nothing to do with access or affordable or fair use, its just a plan for enriching the private insurance industry even more than they are now and who the he!! do you think wrote this monstrosity? It certainly wasn't your representatives in this finest congress money can buy. Most of them never read the thing before they signed off on it.

But there is one natural law that you should never forget and that's the one about straws and camel's backs. It doesn't matter whether Obamacare becomes that last straw or if its something else further on down the road, the camel is already swaybacked and it won't support much more of a load. When the camel's legs go out from under him, every thing will come to a stand still and you will have NO medical care. People will be dying in the streets because insurance companies ARE the death panels and now they have carte blanche.

Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I JUST WANT TO BE FREE

You pay taxes, so that shiny military can protect you, no? Same thing, except its your health that is being protected. And dont go on about my avatar pic plz.

Respectfully, I can see the requirement for the federal government to maintain a military in the Constitution but I cannot see the same enumerated power to provide healthcare or mandate healthcare for all in that document.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I JUST WANT TO BE FREE

You pay taxes, so that shiny military can protect you, no? Same thing, except its your health that is being protected. And dont go on about my avatar pic plz.

Respectfully, I can see the requirement for the federal government to maintain a military in the Constitution but I cannot see the same enumerated power to provide healthcare or mandate healthcare for all in that document.

Really? Ever heard of preamble of USA constitution?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Even if it was not part of it, which is not the case, why so many protest for affordable health care?

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