Republicans’ Ex-Spokesman Calls For Armed Rebellion Over Obamacare

reply to post by simon2k7


Help them how?
Worser?

You think Obamacare is going to help people? You crazy guy, crackin' me up over here.
You think it was meant to help people?

reply to post by EvilSadamClone

The only reason they opposed Obamacare is because it had funding for things like abortion, which religious conservatives oppose for religious reasons.

If it weren't for those things, the Republicans would have supported it in an instant.

So, SHENANIGANS!

You are correct, the Republicans are no better than the Dems, and they also want big government, and Romney will not be any kind of improvement on this situation, he might even make it worse. Shenanigans confirmed.

I don't even think it is the abortion stuff they oppose, they are just opposing it for general purpose on political party grounds. Anything to make Obama a fall guy. Romney will get in, and keep basically the same plan in place with a couple of very slight tweaks, and he will call it a victory, and the Republican sheep will cheer.

You did see my Ron Paul banner right? I am a registered Republican just so I can vote in the Primaries, but I'm not a party idiot like some.

Originally posted by sealing

Originally posted by simon2k7
I'll never understand Republican aversion to helping those in need.

Well they obviously are doing what Jesus Christ
would do, since most republicans are Christians.
Jesus would be like;
"Obama trying to help all Americans and not just billionaires again?!"
"Grab your guns Christians, we're saving EXXON first, then the Koch Bros!"

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This is a response which is not based on true understanding of the teachings of Christ. Jesus never taught redistribution of the wealth by govt mandate as an answer to problems. He just precipitated the loaves and fishes right out of the Universal Supply. He also said, "The poor ye shall have with you always" John 12:8

Also, the apostle Paul said that every man shall bear his own burden. Galatians 6:5

Being pro-life I am very unhappy that federal funds are being used to pay for elective abortions in this Affordable Care Act. This is totally against my religion/beliefs/values/faith. I want no part in paying for anyone to kill their unborn. It was bad enough being a bystander, being forced to contribute would make me an accomplice.

Source

Originally posted by XeroOne
So... If the healthcare plan is supported by the majority of Americans, and pushed through by a democratically-elected president who included this in his manifesto before 2009, armed rebellion is pretty much an act of treason.

And yet most polls show that is not the case. More people are against the law, or parts of it, than fully support it in its current form.

So I have to be the same religion group to receive help, if I understand you correctly.

What about atheists?

So, that is how healthcare should have been solved - through charitable donations...

Sorry, I just see more churches build out of those, not many free healthcare providers...Do you know of any that works of charitable donations?

As one who is a founder and volunteer for this particular charity www.corporationwiki.com... (I would be the Eric C Fisher listed here...) and gets paid EXACTLY zero dollars a year for doing so. I might add my parents (the other two listed) gets paid ZERO for doing so as well I can assure you that no one is denied anything based on not being a believer in our Christian Religion,
For a pretty picture of my parents you can take a look at the Pantry's facebook page here...www.facebook.com...

I would venture to guess that there is not a single christian charity that demands you be a member of their particular church or even religion to receive help from their charity.

Originally posted by steppenwolf86

Originally posted by XeroOne
So... If the healthcare plan is supported by the majority of Americans, and pushed through by a democratically-elected president who included this in his manifesto before 2009, armed rebellion is pretty much an act of treason.

And yet most polls show that is not the case. More people are against the law, or parts of it, than fully support it in its current form.

What polls? Care to share sources?

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So what makes you think Ron Paul would be any different than obamney?

And why would you have to be a Republican to be able to vote in the primaries?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

No, I couldn't, I have absolute know knowledge of tax laws. But all it takes is a jury to find you guilty due to confirmation bias. They have and they will.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you are here today for one reason and one reason only. You are here because I do not understand the tax code. I have been charged with crimes against the government because I do not understand the tax code. Now, the prosecuting attorney may inform you that ignorance of the law is not excuse, but I am not claiming ignorance of the law, I am simply arguing that I do not understand the tax code. I could not prove one way or the other whether I was liable for the tax in question or subject to the applicable revenue laws, but you know what I can prove? I can prove that it is not just I who doesn't understand the tax code, I will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the prosecuting attorney doesn't understand the tax code!

I will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the presiding judge does not understand the tax code. I will assert without any fear of recourse or contradiction that none of those people sitting over there watching this trial unfold understand the tax code, and let's be honest here, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, not a single one of you understand the tax code.

If I don't understand the tax code, and the prosecuting attorney and the plethora of witnesses he calls don't understand the tax code, if the judge doesn't understand the tax code and if none of you understand the tax code, then how could any of you reasonably determine I am guilty of the charges brought against me? Indeed, the only reasonable verdict you could render would be to acquit.

Well put. And throughout the trial I would be hinting towards jury nullification. I know if I was on the jury in a trial of IRS v. Average Joe, the IRS would be hard pressed to get me to vote guilty. That's why the IRS avoids jury trials like Obama avoids transparency.

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It is you who doesn't get it. Are you seriously referring to David Horowitz of the Freedom Center? That guy is cracked. Furthermore, all the Left is not Communist so just calm down and all Communism isn't Statist. Have you ever tried reading about the Left from the Left and not some demonized, bastardized rhetoric from the Right?

I mentioned the Freedom Center in a thread I did a while back.

Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by steppenwolf86

Originally posted by XeroOne
So... If the healthcare plan is supported by the majority of Americans, and pushed through by a democratically-elected president who included this in his manifesto before 2009, armed rebellion is pretty much an act of treason.

And yet most polls show that is not the case. More people are against the law, or parts of it, than fully support it in its current form.

What polls? Care to share sources?

The Affordable Health Care Act was rammed through regardless of the input of the people, and the protests of the Tea Party and all the calls and letters people sent to their representatives, and even HALF Of Congress, that being the GOP. Nancy said we had to pass the legislation before even knowing what was in it "away from the fog of controversy" she said.... which translates into she and her fellow travelers at DSA wanted this regardless of whether the people want it or not. They plied people and bribed and whatever other nasty methods they used to get people to go along with it.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

It is you who doesn't get it. Are you seriously referring to David Horowitz of the Freedom Center? That guy is cracked. Furthermore, all the Left is not Communist so just calm down and all Communism isn't Statist. Have you ever tried reading about the Left from the Left and not some demonized, bastardized rhetoric from the Right?

I mentioned the Freedom Center in a thread I did a while back.

"That guy" is a former leftist who has exposed the evildoing of the radicals. Too bad you are still believing the lies. I am not going to waste any more time trying to explain this stuff to an unrelenting person.

This is my last attempt to discuss it with you.

Straight from Horowitz's mouth on the leftist radicals, it's not what the left says but what it does.

Originally posted by Catalyst317
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

WTH is going on in this country? Obamacare is now a reason to take up arms against the government?

*SIGH*

One of MANY reasons

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

So what makes you think Ron Paul would be any different than obamney?

And why would you have to be a Republican to be able to vote in the primaries?

In my state, you have to be registered in the party in order to vote in their primary. Just the way it is, otherwise I would be registered independent or libertarian.

The reason I think Ron Paul would be different is his voting record. He votes no to everything that involves bigger, more involved government.

firstread.msnbc.msn.com...

Republicans man...this lady acts like all our troops are coming home.

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And maybe you should learn a little bit more about Horrowitz since he became radical Right. His Islamophobia rules him and he found good company among the Right, don't you think?

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Being pro-life I am very unhappy that federal funds are being used to pay for elective abortions in this Affordable Care Act. This is totally against my religion/beliefs/values/faith. I want no part in paying for anyone to kill their unborn. It was bad enough being a bystander, being forced to contribute would make me an accomplice.

Source

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Same as we all have bloody hands as people are killed around the world with guns purchased from our tax money?! I guess you (and your religion) are fine with that?

Couple of days ago on NPR radio they had interview with doctor who decided not to do abortion for his faith reasons, but later he changed his mind. Once asked why, he gave couple of examples of those he helped, one was 13 year old girl that got pregnant in incest case with uncle and other couple whose baby would be born with complications, even if survives birth.

I completely support his decision and I believe that this should be something every health care organization supports.

His final words in interview were that people are not aware how much thoughts those people put into decision making, and that it is one of hard to make.

We are kind of going off topic here, pro-anti abortion is not topic of this discussion.

The most explosive situation is when one group with a small majority, imposes their will on another group that's in a small minority, and both sides consider the other as extreme. That's what we have now, if you believe the elections, and the polling. Both sides are intelligent, and passionate about there beliefs too.

In order to achieve real change when all elections are rigged, which many people believe, the challengers weaponry will have to be closely on par to the governments. I expect hundreds of thousands, if not millions to die in the first salvo.

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Originally posted by mrnotobc


In order to achieve real change when all elections are rigged, which many people believe, the challengers weaponry will have to be closely on par to the governments. I expect hundreds of thousands, if not millions to die in the first salvo.

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So...

Who is going to lead the "challengers"? The Tea Party? It takes organization to go up against the government. I just don't see any type of popular uprising as long as the majority of people have their bread and circus.

www.bloomberg.com...

Obamacare just like everything else will eventually be swept under the rug of history and forgotten.

Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by steppenwolf86

Originally posted by XeroOne
So... If the healthcare plan is supported by the majority of Americans, and pushed through by a democratically-elected president who included this in his manifesto before 2009, armed rebellion is pretty much an act of treason.

And yet most polls show that is not the case. More people are against the law, or parts of it, than fully support it in its current form.

What polls? Care to share sources?

WASHINGTON (AP) — Just a third of Americans back President Barack Obama's health care overhaul on which the Supreme Court is about to pass judgment, a new poll finds.
The overall level of support for the law is relatively unchanged in recent months, with 47 percent opposing it. But an Associated Press-GfK poll shows that only 21 percent of independents approve of the law, a new low in AP-GfK polling.
www.businessweek.com...
care to show me one that says the majority supports it? People always ask for sources but never back up their own statements.

And look at that, you even got a star for questioning my sources. WHERE IS MY STAR? Liberal claims on this site never need to be backed up with sources. Truthers rely on real sources even less. But I post something real, that can be backed up and am immediately questioned. And your type has the nerve to call the rest of us sheeple.