Islam the Religion of Peace? I don't think so...

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee

All Religions preach peace, but never act accordingly, why single out Islam

Muhammad was a warlord who spread Islam by the sword HistoryNet

The Koran and hadith also instruct Muslims to engage in Jihad Koran Hadith

Islam is not just any other religion.

Its founder was a violent warlord and Allah in the Koran instructs Muslims to spread Islam by the sword.

reply to post by Pardon?


LOL , you missed so much and so many levels , there is no point in me to fully respond to your post. You obviously have no understanding of the word of God because you havent read beyond a single verse , such as these you have posted. How about you go back and read the chapters.

Also , what version were you quoting from because i typed in some of the verses into google , and i got a completely different verse than what you quoted. I only did it for 2 verses , and they came out nothing like what you quoted.

reply to post by Pardon?

Not soooo different really.

The difference is in the fruit they carry. Meaning, in their actions.

As you may have noticed, Islamic cultures are oppressive, controlling and downright barbaric - stoning women and hanging people(those are Kurdish people hanging from the make-shift gallows by the way). With NO room for secularism in their governments.

As you can see, the differences are ASTRONOMICAL. One faith preaches love, the other preaches subordination. One faith works to remove psychological barricades the other works to create more psychological barricades.

You can sit there and deflect all you want, only the truth remains and how will the truth find its way to the surface in an oppressive and controlling society?

reply to post by ollncasino


Goodness! I didn't know some of that stuff, thanks for posting it.

Hopefully their women wake up and pull their men from the front lines of foolishness, they have been too quiet too long as it is. The results are clear.
There is no feminine levelling of the masculine energy = imbalance.
Where is the green?

reply to post by ollncasino


Other Religions have killed in Gods name just as much, humans take teachings and twist them for their own purpose, Islam is no different, regardless of what occupation it's creator had, Jesus was a Carpenter, does that mean people who buy flat pack furniture from Ikea are Heretics?

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee

 

Have any of you replying read the Quran or Mohammad's life??????

This guy was a real pervert.

And yes I agree anybody that calls out for blood in the name of any God is wrong wrong wrong.

Again, why in sam heck can't everyone just play nice together?????

Yes and yes.
The version of the life of Mohammed/Quran that you have probably read again has been falsely interpreted just as I can read the Bible, both old and new books and come up with my own belief that god is in fact satan.

If you still maintain what you have been led to believe about Mohammed, there's a $50000 prize if you can prove it.
Ali Sina's Challenge

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Shminkee Pinkee

 

Have any of you replying read the Quran or Mohammad's life??????

This guy was a real pervert.

Its pretty obvious that the people who are defending Islam have never read the Koran or the life of Muhammad.

It is also a good job that Muslims don't control freedom of speech.

Only 3% of British Muslims believe in freedom of speech if it is deemed to insult Islam. ICM Poll

In fact, in Kuwait, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran people are sentenced to death for insulting Islam.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Bukhari (11:626)

- "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.'"

Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.

Hadith Bukhari

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (Arabic: صحيح البخاري‎), is one of the six canonical hadith collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah) of Sunni Islam.

Sunni Muslims view this as one of the three most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim and al-Muwatta In some circles, it is considered the most authentic book after the Qur'an. The Arabic word sahih translates as authentic or correct Sahih al-Bukhari

Muhammad orders people burnt to death for not praying.

Islam. You couldn't make it up.

sounds more and more like Christian burning of witches.......?! or is it just me?

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by kingofmd
If you extend the list back to the sixth century this would be a very long thread. No doubt someone will sidestep the issue with comments about the crusades and the inquisition, and wrap it up with calling the OP an intollerant bigot

Yeah that is true, even if you go back a few years to the late 20th century almost all of the conflicts were Islam backed or motivated, however I only wanted to use current conflicts because this information completely contradicts the Islamic saying tht it is the "religion of peace".
But I'm well aware I will most likely be attacked for this thread and called a bigot.

This thread is a load of BS, made by someone who probably read one piece of information and got so excited that he decided to spew his diatribe here. You could add all the deaths in Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, Atheist and all other wars, and it will pale in comparison to the total that Christians have killed over two millennia.

This thread's purpose is for one purpose alone - To whip out the bigots on this site so they can unleash their hatred here in this thread for the amusement of the OP. Good luck to you. People, especially these narrow-minded fools, need to stop picking on others based on religion, race, sex and all that other dividing nonsense. Who cares about the finer points of any particular religion, ffs. There is only one enemy in the world - TPTB. Stop acting like children and focus yourselves. We're all in it together. If anything, the "more enlightened" West should be trying to quell the anger coming from the Middle East through constructive dialogue, not bombing the # out of them like savages, then looking around like idiots wondering why they hate us.

Originally posted by LeoStarchild
*listening to AM radio*

Breaking news... a suicide bomber kills dozens in *random middle eastern country* more at (whatever time)

Watching ABC (9:11pm) with Hillary Clinton telling the Middle East how it's GOING TO BE!!

see....we can all do that x

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Pardon?

 

LOL , you missed so much and so many levels , there is no point in me to fully respond to your post. You obviously have no understanding of the word of God because you havent read beyond a single verse , such as these you have posted. How about you go back and read the chapters.

Also , what version were you quoting from because i typed in some of the verses into google , and i got a completely different verse than what you quoted. I only did it for 2 verses , and they came out nothing like what you quoted.

edit on 7-6-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

LOL indeed as you missed my point in spectacular fashion.
From my previous posts I said that books such as the bible and quran are open to interpretation hence why there are so many contradictions and misinterpretations in them.
The fact that you get so many different versions of the verses sort of proves my point really (Just to help, the quotes I posted are explanations of the verses with their biblical chapter and verse number guides next to them).

Singling out one religion, when all are as bad as each other, is petty and childish. I don't really care what kind of a life a certain prophet led, i don't think any of them were talking to God, because God doesn't exist and all of this, 'My religion is better than your Religion' petty back and forth is completely pointless. If religious people want to argue over who's is the best, why don't all of you true believers bugger off to the Antarctic and fight hand to hand to the death so us lovely peace loving Atheists can get on with drinking and fornicating without your constant gibbering nonesense.

Originally posted by Pardon?

The version of the life of Mohammed/Quran that you have probably read again has been falsely interpreted.

All of my quotes come from official Islamic translations into English and are available from Islamic websites.

They show the Koran and Hadith inciting Muslims to carry out Jihad in the name of Allah.

Originally posted by Pardon?

If you still maintain what you have been led to believe about Mohammed, there's a $50000 prize if you can prove it.
Ali Sina's Challenge

You have it back to front. The $50,000 prize is available to any Muslim who can disprove that website's findings that Muhammad was a

• a rapist
• a pedophile
• a torturer
• a mass murderer
• an assassin
• a terrorist

The evidence to prove that Muhammad was all of those things comes from Islam's own Koran and Hadith.

The $50,000 prize remains unclaimed.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
Jesus was a Carpenter, does that mean people who buy flat pack furniture from Ikea are Heretics?

Muhammad was a violent jihadist. Does that mean that Islam is a violent religion?

Historians estimate that about 270 million people have been killed by Jihad since Islam came onto this earth.

• 120 million Africans

• 60 million Christians

• 80 million Hindus

• 10 million Buddhists

Link

For a religion of peace, it has done a lot of killing.

reply to post by ollncasino


Well, you can't disprove bull#. If I sat here and said that Jesus molested his mum, then said I'd offer $50,000 to any Christian who can disprove it, would it not be impossible?

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Do you see Christians detonating bombs in shopping centres?
Or stoning their women if they try to drive a car?
How many wars currently being fought today are using extremist Christian idealogy, so far there is only one which is the Lords Resisitance Army, ONE.
Islam is fighting 27....

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
Do you see Christians detonating bombs in shopping centres?
Or stoning their women if they try to drive a car?

I am aware of the partitioning of the Middle East by the British Empire

I am aware of the creation of Israel, which wasn't exactly popular in the region with the people who lived there at the time.

I am aware of the overthrowing of the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 by MI5 and the CIA for the purposes of securing oil supply

I am aware of the propping up of the Shah of Iran by Western Powers to ensure that oil supply, and the massive human rights abuses that occurred.

I am aware of the subsequent propping up of Saddam Hussein, to oppose Iran after the Shah was overthrown by the people of Iran

I am aware of the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets, and the subsequent propping up of the Mujahideen by Western Powers in the proxy cold war.

I am aware of the Soviet pull out of Afghanistan, and the subsequent abandonment of the Mujahideen by the Western powers, leaving them in chaos and causing massive resentment.

I am aware of Saddam Hussein using chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds, of which a large amount of the precursor material was sold to him by the USA

I am aware of the promises made during the 1991 Gulf War to assist Iraqi rebels in removing Saddam Hussein - something the "coalition" backtracked on.

I am aware of the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan, and the backing of groups that were against the Taliban, but who were almost as bad as them and targeted everyone they disagreed with as a matter of personal expediency to extend a power base.

I am aware of the lie that was the Iraq invasion, and the occupation of the country to remove Saddam Hussein because he had "gone rogue" and wasn't acting in the USA's best interest any more.

I am aware of the subsequent actions undertaken by some members of various armed forces around the world that led to "liberators" becoming "conquerors", and the transformation of a popular action into a nightmare.

I am aware that the subsequent Iraqi government asked the US to pull its troops and private contractors out of the country more than once, and the US refused on security grounds.

I am aware that the Afghan government asked the US to pull its troops and private contractors out of the country on at least on occasion, and the US refused on security grounds

I am aware that - on a daily basis - US drones target areas of Pakistan, without the approval of the Pakistani government, targeting "extremists" but also racking up civilian casualties.

All of this, happening in a region that is, predominantly Muslim - however you want to sterotypically blame them being pissed at the west soley on on their religion.

Incidentally - I was evacuated from Manchester City Centre when the IRA - a christian/catholic organisation decided that it was going to blow it up. They did the same in various other places.

You may also have heard of ETA, Black September, the UDA, ULF and a few other organisations that have carried out atrocities across the world

I'm also aware of how recent womens, and racial rights are in the west. I also know of more than one woman who has been beaten by a gang of men, and that the crime and murder rates in the west are nothing to be proud of either.

My point being is that its a messed up world. Before you go jumping off the deep end trying to blame a whole section of society for the worlds ills, maybe - just maybe - you ought to be looking at just how messed up our section of society is, because really, we're no better and the ONLY difference between suicide bombing a shopping centre and blowing holes in a town from a drone at 20,000 feet is that "we" think we're right and that they're wrong.

Oddly, they see it the other way.

Yay, its the "which religion is the most violent" thread. Just a couple of points:

To those bringing up crusades and such: how is this in any way relevant now? If you want to be taken seriously, then bring up dirt on christians from the present time (hint: extremist christians in subsaharan Africa).

And for those claiming "all religions are equally violent", that is false. In fact no two of them are equally violent and dangerous, they all differ in this aspect.

Ok, carry on..

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Not soooo different really.

The difference is in the fruit they carry. Meaning, in their actions.

As you may have noticed, Islamic cultures are oppressive, controlling and downright barbaric - stoning women and hanging people(those are Kurdish people hanging from the make-shift gallows by the way). With NO room for secularism in their governments.

As you can see, the differences are ASTRONOMICAL. One faith preaches love, the other preaches subordination. One faith works to remove psychological barricades the other works to create more psychological barricades.

You can sit there and deflect all you want, only the truth remains and how will the truth find its way to the surface in an oppressive and controlling society?

There are plenty of Islamic cultures that are far from what you've mentioned but I'm sure you turn a blind eye to them as it doesn't fit your agenda.

Do some States in the US still have the death penalty? Pretty barbaric that. Have "christian" troops tortured and maimed non-christian captives? Yes.
Religions aren't barbaric or oppressive, WE are but we use religion as the excuse.



I don't believe that the majority of christians or muslims know what the truth really is which is sad because they apparently both have the same god.

In a lot of respects, my being non-religious (call me atheist, agnostic, whichever name floats your boat really as it's really important that I'm pigeon-holed in some way) almost makes me believe I'm nearer to the truth than you as I have no pre-conditioned or programmed hatred towards anyone and I'm able to live my live the way I see fit, proper and moralistic.

Originally posted by neformore
and the ONLY difference between suicide bombing a shopping centre and blowing holes in a town from a drone at 20,000 feet is that "we" think we're right and that they're wrong.

I'd like to think that it's because they can't afford drones, otherwise they'd probably be blowing holes in towns all over America. Whether that's right or wrong is open to debate, but if Muslims had access to this technology, I'd be willing to bet that there'd be far less illegal invasions and bombings of innocents in Muslim countries today if they had a way to defend themselves.

Originally posted by JasonT
Well, you can't disprove bull#. If I sat here and said that Jesus molested his mum, then said I'd offer $50,000 to any Christian who can disprove it, would it not be impossible?

Yet the Koran and Hadith prove, in black and white that Muhammad was

• a rapist
• a pedophile
• a torturer
• a mass murderer
• an assassin
• a terrorist

For instance, Muhammad, blessed be his name, was a paedophile

Muhammad married Aisha when he was 53 years old and she was only 6 years old. He had intercourse with her when she was 9 years old.

How do we know?

Because the Hadith tells us so.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Muhammad had intercourse with his wife Aisha when she was 9 years old.