Islam the Religion of Peace? I don't think so...

Originally posted by Danbones
Remember that crack about "do you see christians bombing shopping malls" OP you made somewhere upthread?
quess you forgot ireland in the 70s 80s and 90s

In the 70s and 80s it was the IRA trying to blow things up in the UK.

Today, it is the Militant Muslims

From the UK's MI5 website

* 27 February 2002
Moinul Abedin was sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment after being convicted of making large amounts of detonators and the explosive HMTD in a Birmingham house.

* 1 April 2003
Leicester residents Brahim Benmerzouga and Baghdad Merziane were each sentenced to 11 years' imprisonment for their roles in fundraising for Al Qaida and other extremist groups.

* 1 March 2005
Saajit Badat was imprisoned for 13 years following his admission that he had plotted with jailed shoe-bomber Richard Reid to destroy an airliner over the Atlantic.

* 13 April 2005
Kamel Bourgass was convicted of plotting to commit a public nuisance by the use of poisons and/or explosives to cause disruption, fear or injury. He was already serving a life sentence for the murder of PC Stephen Oake.

* 7 February 2006
Radical London cleric Abu Hamza was convicted of incitement to murder and sentenced to 7 years.

* 7 November 2006
Al Qaida operative Dhiren Barot was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years' imprisonment after admitting a plot to attack UK and US targets using a "dirty bomb" and gas-filled limousines.

* 30 April 2007
Five men were imprisoned for life after being convicted of a plot to attack targets such as shopping centres and nightclubs using fertiliser-based explosives; two others were acquitted.

* 15 June 2007
Seven men were jailed for a total of 136 years for their involvement in Dhiren Barot's "dirty bomb" plot and "Gas Limos Project".

* 5 July 2007
Three men were imprisoned for up to 10 years after being convicted of using the Internet to promote terrorism.

* 11 July 2007
The four would-be suicide bombers of 21 July 2005 were given life sentences following their convictions on charges of conspiracy to murder. A fifth man involved in the plot was convicted in November 2007.

* 26 July 2007
Five students were convicted on charges of possessing material for terrorist purposes with the intention of going to terrorist training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

* 9 Jan 2008
Sohail Anjum Qureshi, an Al Qaida-trained terrorist intent on carrying out an act of terrorism overseas, was jailed for four and a half years.

* 18 February 2008
Five conspirators were convicted of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier and were sentenced to terms of between two years and life.

* 17 December 2008
Bilal Abdulla, an Iraqi citizen who worked in a hospital in Paisley, Scotland, was sentenced to 32 years' imprisonment for his role in terrorist attacks carried out in London and Glasgow International Airport in June 2007.

* 14 September 2009
In one of a series of trials, three men who plotted in 2006 to blow up aircraft mid-flight between the UK, America and Canada by using liquid explosives were jailed for life.

* 8 July 2010
Ibrahim Savant, Arafat Khan and Waheed Zaman were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiracy to murder persons unknown. By this point a total of twelve people had been convicted in seven trials for terrorism-related offences in connection with the 2006 aircraft bomb plot.

* 2 November 2010
Roshonara Choudhry, a student from East London, was convicted of attempting to murder the MP Stephen Timms after being inspired by extremist sermons she had watched on the Internet.

MI5

Pay attention to what is said at 5:21 - we're talking over 1 million people chanting To Israel we go.......



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Jesus never once preached hate..........and there is only one incident where he showed anger, at the bankers (money changers/tax collectors).

Someone preaches love is a-okay in my book.

Someone preaches hate is not.

reply to post by InfoKartel


The people who blame religion, for either their evil, or the evil of others... are not willing to face the truth of the matter....

It is not now, nor will ever be the fault of religion that men are evil.... it is the fault of those who perpetrate evil..

The evil is us, and is not a part of the religion, or of truth

It is easier to have something outside the nature of man to blame for the evil in this world, because then we never have to objectively face that evil that is within us personally, or have to struggle against that...

because that, is what is difficult.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Pardon?

 

The cultures which aren't barbaric when compared to the more extreme cultures are the likes of Turkey, the north African countries such as Morocco, Tunisia etc. Far eastern ones like Indonesia etc.

First of all, have you ever heard of Kurdish people?

Morocco? The tourist hotspots?

It was a generalisation towards those who seem predisposed to hate and using their religions as an excuse.

Well then we're not getting anywhere, since I am talking about specific matters. In those Islamic cultures including the one you experienced...how were people treated that wanted to change their religion? How were women treated? Did they have equal opportunities at life? How keen were people on revenge?

If it's any consolation, I've had similar discussions with muslims who think the same about christianity.

How do you know how I think? You just waved away all the social issues inside Islamic cultures that you shouldn't deny, and asserted you have similar discussions? Laughable attempt at an argument, dude.

You seem to be missing the point.

I certainly have heard of Kurdish people. I have a very good friend who's Kurdish, I also have several good friends who are Turkish. Both nice sets of people.
I also know what the fighting and disputes are about. Do you? Or will you blame that on Islam?

Having been there I'd say Morocco is a far less frightening place than Belfast was a few years ago.
I felt positively safe in Marrakesh. I felt very threatened in Belfast.
Neither compared to how threatened I felt in New Orleans though (pre-Katrina). Absolutely lawless that city was.

I've not waved away the social issues in Islam at all. They're different to the West's that's plain to see.
We in the west see the likes of Saudi women being treated as second-class citizens, having to cover themselves up, not having as good a job as the man when in fact women over there are revered and protected. "We" don't see that bit though do we? However, Saudi, alongside other Islamic countries are changing and allowing women to have more rights (strangely though, a lot of the women don't want them to change).
As for changing one's religion, I can't comment on that as I never experienced it. I will say though that I was never penalised for not being muslim. And the revenge bit...you need to add a bit more to that, revenge against whom or what?

I don't understand why you're saying "How do you know how I think?" on your last part. I've had discussions with muslims who naturally think Islam is right and Christianity is wrong and similar to here pointed out aspects where they were mistaken and blinkered.

reply to post by Danbones


'There is no such thing as "radical" Islam. In the Quran it actually states that Islam should wage war against all non-believers and that once a land falls to Islam (conquered) it must forever remain Islamic.
This is why the Muslims hate Israel so much, not just because they are jews but because Israel occupies land that was conquered by the Muslims but originally belonged to the Christians... '

This is what you originally had an answer for, and in this statement the poster is 100% correct. Why? Because in this timeline sequence the Christian's did own Israel first out of the three, Muslim/Jew/Christian, no where in that sequence does the discussion of Palestine come up. Because 300 years after Christ's death, the region became christian, then after that it became muslim, then after that is became jewish again. The point being here that I don't disagree that BC the area was under a different control, but during the sequence we're actually discussing christianity was the original owner, for that reason making the post correct as to why the muslim's want the jews out of Israel.

I hope that makes sense.

reply to post by ollncasino


It wasn't just the 70's and 80's in the UK.
You need to add the 90's, 2000's and 2010's to that too.
It's still happening, maybe not with the frequency of previous years but it certainly hasn't stopped.

reply to post by HamrHeed


What have you missed?

They get rowdy in the US as well.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

The war in afghanistan is still being fought against the Taliban, the Taliban are an extreme Islamic organization who have harboured terrorist forces used to attack the west.

The war was started by the USA and is fought against the taliban who so happen to be muslim. As if the US military is not an extremist organization who harbors terrorists.

I also see you stopped after a 3. Why not continue on, huh?

I gave a example of a few and don't have time to tell all did you not read that sentence? You want me to point out where I did not have the time or you just conveniently just skipped it?

You want me to start off by showing the battles of Christianity? How many people were killed in WW2, none of which were caused by Muslims. Tell me about that?

What about WW1, What about Korea? What about Vietnam?

ALl those killings done by the Christian military of the USA and the christian armies of Nazi Germany. You really want to do some comparisons?

edit on 023030p://6America/ChicagoThu, 07 Jun 2012 02:56:13 -0500 by THE_PROFESSIONAL because: (no reason given)

The Taliban only fights because they believe Allah is on their side, they use Islam to become matyrs so it is in fact a war with Islam whether you realise it or not.

Also I hate Christianity too, that religion is just as terrible. But I'm only using current conflicts not those which happened 100 years ago...

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

You state 27 Battles Islam is fighting, I give you over 150 that the Christian army of the USA has fought. Who is more violent now?

SOUTH DAKOTA 1890 (-?) Troops 300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
ARGENTINA 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI 1891 Troops Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO 1892 Troops Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO 1894 Troops Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA 1894-95 Naval, troops Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA 1894-96 Troops Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA 1895 Troops, naval Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA 1898-1900 Troops Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA 1899 (-?) Troops Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO 1899-1901 Troops Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA 1901 Troops Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone; Opened canal 1914.
HONDURAS 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA 1904-05 Troops Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA 1907 Troops "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO 1914 Troops Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS 1915 Troops Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I 1917-18 Naval, troops Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA 1918-22 Naval, troops Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA 1918-20 Troops "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA 1919 Troops/Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY 1922 Troops Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA 1922-27 Naval, troops Deployment during nationalist revolt.

MEXICOHONDURAS1923 1924-25BombingTroops

Airpower defends Calles from rebellion

Landed twice during election strife.
PANAMA 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA 1927-34 Troops Marines stationed throughout the country.
EL SALVADOR 1932 Naval Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

You do realise I'm only talking about current conflicts right? Oh and if you do want to go historical than I think Islam would have a lot more wars..

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

Do you ever see any other religion continually saying this?

Umm yeah? Every heard of a crazy little fringe sect called Christianity?

This "Islam is bad" "My religion is better than yours" Bs is tired and old, has been done to death here, and the ONLY reason you create this thread, instead of adding to one of the various other "hate islam" threads, is because you wanted to stirr the pot.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
You do realise I'm only talking about current conflicts right? Oh and if you do want to go historical than I think Islam would have a lot more wars..

And a long history of aggression.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

S & F

Now ATS is not suppose to be a hate filled blog but, (there is that word) I have been studying the Quran and it is anything but a peaceful religion.

If you know me or my blogs I am against any type of murder - ANY - I am against war, hate, violence or the harming of another person.

BUT

Muslims are bound, according to their religion to kill any non believer: I will give quotes and a link however, anyone doubting my words go and pick up a Quran and read it.

It's a hateful book, one I think actually written by a man deluded and possessed by demonic or hateful entities.

Women and children (girls as young as ten) hung from cranes and if a virgin, raped the night before because you cannot hang a virgin. So to get around it they "marry" the virgin to a guard then hang her

Buried up to their chest and stoned to death.

These folks are barbaric and they come over here and pretend to be civil - but (there is that word again) Mosque going up all over.

I do not want my grand daughter wearing jeans cut short enough to show her cute little bum cheeks, but I do not want her in a black veil such as I saw at Walmart the other day walking like a slave behind her arrogant husband either.

They, the Muslim World is using our own "freedom of religion" clause against us.......and blacks that are Muslim, boy, you think the South held you as slaves, read up on how the Muslims really feel about blacks.....

This is not a hate blog, this is a anti hate blog and if we allow the Muslim World to silently invade our society they will eat us out from the inside out.

And who in the hell dreams of copulating with 72 virgins endlessly for murder/suicide????? That's gross. Child sex, that's wrong............they hide beneath veils because they hide a vileness. And the more I study the Quran the more scared I become.......beware, they are the serpent.

Quotes with source - you decide:

2.39. But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.

2.161. Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;

2.190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

3.141. Allah's object also is to purge those that are true in Faith and to deprive of blessing Those that resist Faith.

3.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

3.157. And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

4.34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

4.56. Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

5.38. As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

Hey thanks for your comment. Just to let you know I don't hate muslims because I have met many kind ones myself BUT the religion of Islam itself is "corrupting" to say the least. To be honest I was not surprised to learn that the majority of the wars currently being fought are by extremist Islam. But yeah the Quran is a nasty piece of work indeed..

reply to post by ollncasino


Yeah do you know that the Crusades were actually in DEFENCE of the Christians since Muslims continually attcked the pilgrims?
And did you also know that the Middle East was almost once entirely Christian before Islam brutally conquered it?

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Do you ever see any other religion continually saying this?

Umm yeah? Every heard of a crazy little fringe sect called Christianity?

This "Islam is bad" "My religion is better than yours" Bs is tired and old, has been done to death here, and the ONLY reason you create this thread, instead of adding to one of the various other "hate islam" threads, is because you wanted to stirr the pot.

Not stirring the pot son, I'm just saying it like it is. If you find it hard to comprehend than by all means leave the thread. Also I have never heard Christians say "Christianity is the religion of peace", never. Only Islam feels the need to say that....

reply to post by GD21D


All the many murders in the name of Jesus were done by men...........Christ preached love.

" A new commandment I give unto you..............LOVE ONE ANOTHER"

Any person, human (or otherwise) that went against that commandment was not a true follower of Christ period.

Love, not hate.

Humanity, you don't have a whole lot of time left - get your act together or you all risk annihilation.

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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Do you ever see any other religion continually saying this?

Umm yeah? Every heard of a crazy little fringe sect called Christianity?

This "Islam is bad" "My religion is better than yours" Bs is tired and old, has been done to death here, and the ONLY reason you create this thread, instead of adding to one of the various other "hate islam" threads, is because you wanted to stirr the pot.

Not stirring the pot son, I'm just saying it like it is. If you find it hard to comprehend than by all means leave the thread. Also I have never heard Christians say "Christianity is the religion of peace", never. Only Islam feels the need to say that....

Do you think that's in reply to it being called the religion of violence and hate though?

Christians have been willful martyrs for years. Muslims are forceful martyrs.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
Singling out one religion, when all are as bad as each other, is petty and childish. I don't really care what kind of a life a certain prophet led, i don't think any of them were talking to God, because God doesn't exist and all of this, 'My religion is better than your Religion' petty back and forth is completely pointless. If religious people want to argue over who's is the best, why don't all of you true believers bugger off to the Antarctic and fight hand to hand to the death so us lovely peace loving Atheists can get on with drinking and fornicating without your constant gibbering nonesense.

How have I singled it out? Honestly tell me?

The majority of todays wars are Islam motivated that is a fact!!!! FACT!!!!

Therefore I'm not singling how sh#t, if Christians were involved in the majority of the wars then I would shame them...

reply to post by NoJoker13

'There is no such thing as "radical" Islam. In the Quran it actually states that Islam should wage war against all non-believers and that once a land falls to Islam

link please

that has been disproven so may times its almost not worth repeating the anticliche
not to mention its been disproven by drone murders like the one I posted upthread as well

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Danbones
Remember that crack about "do you see christians bombing shopping malls" OP you made somewhere upthread?
quess you forgot ireland in the 70s 80s and 90s

In the 70s and 80s it was the IRA trying to blow things up in the UK.

Today, it is the Militant Muslims

From the UK's MI5 website

* 27 February 2002


Moinul Abedin was sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment after being convicted of making large amounts of detonators and the explosive HMTD in a Birmingham house.

* 1 April 2003
Leicester residents Brahim Benmerzouga and Baghdad Merziane were each sentenced to 11 years' imprisonment for their roles in fundraising for Al Qaida and other extremist groups.

* 1 March 2005
Saajit Badat was imprisoned for 13 years following his admission that he had plotted with jailed shoe-bomber Richard Reid to destroy an airliner over the Atlantic.

* 13 April 2005
Kamel Bourgass was convicted of plotting to commit a public nuisance by the use of poisons and/or explosives to cause disruption, fear or injury. He was already serving a life sentence for the murder of PC Stephen Oake.

* 7 February 2006
Radical London cleric Abu Hamza was convicted of incitement to murder and sentenced to 7 years.

* 7 November 2006
Al Qaida operative Dhiren Barot was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years' imprisonment after admitting a plot to attack UK and US targets using a "dirty bomb" and gas-filled limousines.

* 30 April 2007
Five men were imprisoned for life after being convicted of a plot to attack targets such as shopping centres and nightclubs using fertiliser-based explosives; two others were acquitted.

* 15 June 2007
Seven men were jailed for a total of 136 years for their involvement in Dhiren Barot's "dirty bomb" plot and "Gas Limos Project".

* 5 July 2007
Three men were imprisoned for up to 10 years after being convicted of using the Internet to promote terrorism.

* 11 July 2007
The four would-be suicide bombers of 21 July 2005 were given life sentences following their convictions on charges of conspiracy to murder. A fifth man involved in the plot was convicted in November 2007.

* 26 July 2007
Five students were convicted on charges of possessing material for terrorist purposes with the intention of going to terrorist training camps in Pakistan or Afghanistan.

* 9 Jan 2008
Sohail Anjum Qureshi, an Al Qaida-trained terrorist intent on carrying out an act of terrorism overseas, was jailed for four and a half years.

* 18 February 2008
Five conspirators were convicted of plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier and were sentenced to terms of between two years and life.

* 17 December 2008
Bilal Abdulla, an Iraqi citizen who worked in a hospital in Paisley, Scotland, was sentenced to 32 years' imprisonment for his role in terrorist attacks carried out in London and Glasgow International Airport in June 2007.

* 14 September 2009
In one of a series of trials, three men who plotted in 2006 to blow up aircraft mid-flight between the UK, America and Canada by using liquid explosives were jailed for life.

* 8 July 2010
Ibrahim Savant, Arafat Khan and Waheed Zaman were convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiracy to murder persons unknown. By this point a total of twelve people had been convicted in seven trials for terrorism-related offences in connection with the 2006 aircraft bomb plot.

* 2 November 2010
Roshonara Choudhry, a student from East London, was convicted of attempting to murder the MP Stephen Timms after being inspired by extremist sermons she had watched on the Internet.

MI5

not one of those convictions is for an actual bombing they probable ALL ENTRAPMENTS and FRAME UPS
FAIL ( at least you are good at something)


the op said christians don't bomb shopping malls they do ( the IRA and the protestants and british intelligence which did over 75 percent of the IRISH bombings are al christian
doing to th irish what you are trying to do to the MUSLIMS
FAIL again!!!!!!!

you forget about the SAS caught dressed as muslims in IRAQ laying IEDS ?
or 777 INSIDE job
or lockerbie...the CIA and MI whatever number?
FAILURE!!!!!!
of course you have
it deosn't fit your hate agenda