Google Earth proves Muhammad-Islam

You can come up with any 'justification' for islam that you want. It does not change the fact that it is a godless faith in belief and practice. I've seen it.

What this proves: People in days gone by would , could, and did build some rather impressive things.
What it does not proves: Anything "divine"

What this proves: People are obsessed with making their imaginary beliefs "REAL"
What it does not prove: that any imaginary beliefs are, in fact, "real"

I'm of the thought that Mohammed, like Jesus Christ is a mostly made-up individual (actually, Jesus is quite fully made-up.) Mohammed's sayings et al are much like Confucious and fortune cookies.

Funny, if I use google i can find justification for pretty much anything.
If you think their EARTH function is cool, just try the SEARCH function.
Then you can prove Mohammed is the one true prophet of God and all laws and sayings ascribed to him should be followed to the last letter... Including the stuff about the Jews.
Next time, please, spend this much time on the Jews and Women. I need some more PROOF.

Great info OP, the effort put into this was remarkable......I have a feeling that divine intervention has worked its way through all religions at one time or another. Someone who possesed an arial view, had given this knowledge to him. I'm at a loss of who (I'm thinking Moses) had said they were taken up...they saw the earth, and they saw the heavens....that always intrigued me.......as for Muhammed.....thats a pretty precise coincidence, if we should call it that.

reply to post by kat2684


Sorry for the delay and thank you very much Was away from the computer for a bit. People keep saying you can use the stars this and that but it is not so simple actually.

The best you could do with the knowledge they had at the time is actually line it up relative to True North using the star Polaris.

Ok so you know where true north is now whats next? You actually need to know precisely the distances on the ground involved in order to perform an accurately aim towards Mecca.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
You don't.

You asked for a non-religious explanation and, once given it, have retreated into obfuscation.

The Cardinal Points have been familiar to civilisations from China to Greece to Egypt. All of them pre-date the arrival of Islam. Islamic scholars were once the light of knowledge in this world whilst Western Europe went through the Dark Ages. They translated and transcribed thousands of Greek/Egyptian/Roman etc texts. In that light, they were well-versed in astronomy and surveying.

On probability alone, which is more likely? Either Moslem scholars used familiar techniques to plot a straight line *or* God whispered in Mohamed's mind and did the planning for him?

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HI TP,
For once I think you're a bit off base here. I am sure, more than sure in fact that it was not impossible for directional lines to be made so a building could be built pointing to another. The Romans used that kind of tech and it wasn't exactly rocket science. Guys standing on hilltops with sticks and lines....

Does this prove Muhammad existed? Nope, it doesn't prove it anymore than any other attempt by any other religious fruit cake that their religion is viable. Religion, ANY religion is thought control and that has been proven.

I knew you were a little out of the box, I didn't realise you were a Qu'ran basher though.

Good luck with that.

T

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On probability alone, which is more likely? Either Moslem scholars used familiar techniques to plot a straight line *or* God whispered in Mohamed's mind and did the planning for him?

Like I said earlier you need to provide evidence that your theory is correct and that he did not hear from God. Muhammad is claiming he got the information from God. Just because you can provide an alternative explanation does not mean that he did it your alternative way. There are hundreds of ways to do what he set about. You can even do it using GPS. Are you saying that he invented GPS and satellite systems?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Unless you are over 2000 yrs old yourself, your word are as heavy as the next persons.! This discussion should be about a discovery, not pointless bickering between religious know it alls, confusionists or Gib gabbers. Let's just use our common sense and face it, none of us were alive back then. Information is being handed to us from THOUSANDS of years ago...I mean honestly, do you expect the truth to be just that SIMPLE? This is the beginning of US and EARTH, do you know how complex and diverse that can turn out? And I'm not even asking you to fathom what lies beyond. These are things and stories that most likely can't even be communicated to us (humans) conventionally through language alone.

So...Take a second and breath. For every breath is sacred. And every moment in time is as precious as this very moment time began. Just live, love and let live. I'm not a hippy born in the 60s, its just that simple. The world is in need of people that work together and share knowledge; adding to knowledge or possibly coming up with different prespective to learn more from, extrapolate, multiply ... But we are merely human. We are in the RACE. And competition is rampid. Take a look at this theard, is this informing you? Disinforming you? Chances are it's both.

Follow your heart, and not whats written on a sheet of paper. Fore, the sheet of paper is only there for us to show our hearts with.

Peace.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Like I said earlier you need to provide evidence that your theory is correct and that he did not hear from God.

You can check for yourself that Islamic scholars knew about astronomy and cardinal points; they needed to so they could know where Mecca was. Qibla compasses were designed for this reason...although much later. As you well know, asking for *evidence* that voices of God were not heard is impossible.

You can even do it using GPS. Are you saying that he invented GPS and satellite systems?

You're showing your hand here. There's a trolling element that devalues what you wrote in your OP. Using ridiculous points like this undermines your credibility. It's a pity because the OP was a very interesting argument.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Since they were built at differing altitudes...there is no straight line that can be associated. A Straight line can only be achieved on a perfectly flat surface or two points in space...and even in Space...Celestial Bodies of Great Mass will change the Space/Time Geometry as to prevent a true straight line and on Earth...since the Earth is a Sphere and with a bulge at the Equator...a Straight line cannot be drawn unless it is drawn below the surface between distance as on a Sphere...one cannot have a straight line on it's surface. Split Infinity

reply to post by RicoMarston


Seems like you got the idea of a God from dumb folk and the tv set. Sorry to hear that.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Big words there.... Clearly, you have never read the Koran.

Yes yes, whatever. Clearly the word messiah means a different thing in this(quran) context. There were more than 1 messiahs along the ride, did you know that? Even the Bible has multiple messiahs, but only one Jesus.

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Hey info! I thought you originally said it was Kurds who did all the important scientific and cultural stuff. How come you've switched over to Persians now? Do you have something against the arab race for some reason?

Lets take it one step at a time shall we? Since it's already so hard for you guys to understand in what way Islam and Muslims regard Jesus.

Regardless of how confusing the word "messiah" is.

Lets keep the more complex matters for a decade or two further down the road.

So what people think in this regard ("my religion is better than yours!") is pretty much irrelevant to the topic.

But these days we have science.

reply to post by InfoKartel

Clearly the word messiah means a different thing in this(quran) context.

Nice side step there.

First you say Jesus was not the messiah in Islam.
After I posted the verses from the Koran showing Jesus is the messiah....you now say "messiah" means something else in Islam....

Yup... this happens everytime.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Kill the infidel.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

First you say Jesus was not the messiah in Islam.

He isn't. He is one of the messiahs. Big difference.

After I posted the verses from the Koran showing Jesus is the messiah....you now say "messiah" means something else in Islam....

No, it means something else entirely as a word. Not just in Islam. Hence why I mentioned context! Jesus becomes one of the messiahs, one of the prophets in Islam, while in Christianity, He is the only begotten son of God. Big difference. But then again, that's how Islam operates. That's why Muhammed became the only perfect person to have ever lived ( which is literally impossible if you read what he did ).

Yup... this happens everytime.

Go cry me a river. If you do not know the root of words then why is that my problem? You're the ignorant one.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
In fact Jesus is mentioned more times in the Qur'an than in the bible

Umm... No.

reply to post by InfoKartel

Originally posted by InfoKartel
He isn't. He is one of the messiahs. Big difference.

No, he isn't "one of the messiahs". He's the only person in the entire Islamic Scripture (Quran AND Hadith) who is known by the title of "Al-Masih", i.e. The Messiah. There are many prophets ("nabi"), there are many messengers from god ("rasul"), but he is the only Messiah. Nobody else in Islam is called "Messiah", except the anti-christ, who is referred to as "Masih al-Dajjal", i.e. False Messiah (in the Hadith though, the False Messiah doesn't figure into the Quran). I don't know why you keep talking about stuff you have no idea of. Sure, Judaism has many "annointed ones", but if you talk about "The Prophesied Messiah", to any jew who knows anything at all about their religion is pretty obvious you're talking about a specific character, a king from David's line who plays a role in Jewish eschatology.

Christians and Muslims consider this person to be Jesus, while the Jews do not.

Paedophiles have existed for time immemorial and some have even professed to be messengers of a 'god'. Often using this ethereal anointment to justify their, what's usually, base behaviour. E.g., the Catholic priesthood.

Nothing new here... *zzz *