Google Earth proves Muhammad-Islam

reply to post by InfoKartel

He is one of the messiahs. Big difference.

Your original words in this post were:
"Muslims see him as one of the many prophets."
"Which is that he is one of many prophets. Not the messiah."

In other words, you denied Jesus messiahship in Islam.

Interesting how you are changing your stance now to "He is one of the messiahs"

reply to post by babloyi


Good post.

I made a statement earlier saying that "Christians have ONE thing in common with the muslims... Both accept Jesus as the messiah born of a virgin."

To which user infokartel said Jesus was "Not the messiah.".....
www.abovetopsecret.com...

After I posted the Koranic verse proclaiming Jesus messiahship, he changes his stance to "Jesus was one of the messiahs".

Omg... guys... even the story itself in Arabic doesn't claim that God ordered anyone to do anything. And, also, there's no mountain peak in the story. The whole thread is built on misconceptions! Please review my reply.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Kandinsky

 

On probability alone, which is more likely? Either Moslem scholars used familiar techniques to plot a straight line *or* God whispered in Mohamed's mind and did the planning for him?

Like I said earlier you need to provide evidence that your theory is correct and that he did not hear from God. Muhammad is claiming he got the information from God. Just because you can provide an alternative explanation does not mean that he did it your alternative way. There are hundreds of ways to do what he set about. You can even do it using GPS. Are you saying that he invented GPS and satellite systems?

No he does not need to. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If we have two possible explanations for some phenomena, then the one with less extraordinary or supernatural claims is prefferred, unless the other is positively proven.

There is no proof of the divine, and there are alternative explanations for the alignment that do not require supernatural claims. Thus the burden of proof is on you.

Originally posted by Only1King
You are a ...

Funny guy. I stated facts. You come back with off topic insults because you don't like those facts. Provide evidence that shows what I said was wrong. Good luck with that. Everything I said was true. It's documented. Now run along and get some facts to back up your position on the topic (and I'm not the topic) ... or get off the thread.

Originally posted by babloyi

No, he isn't "one of the messiahs". He's the only person in the entire Islamic Scripture (Quran AND Hadith) who is known by the title of "Al-Masih", i.e. The Messiah. There are many prophets ("nabi"), there are many messengers from god ("rasul"), but he is the only Messiah. Nobody else in Islam is called "Messiah", except the anti-christ, who is referred to as "Masih al-Dajjal", i.e. False Messiah (in the Hadith though, the False Messiah doesn't figure into the Quran). I don't know why you keep talking about stuff you have no idea of. Sure, Judaism has many "annointed ones", but if you talk about "The Prophesied Messiah", to any jew who knows anything at all about their religion is pretty obvious you're talking about a specific character, a king from David's line who plays a role in Jewish eschatology.

Christians and Muslims consider this person to be Jesus, while the Jews do not.

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This post is very correct, and can be backed up by fact. I can tell this person has actually done some reading

reply to post by redneck13


Lol, no I've already selected.

And no, if they're not at least credible, then they're not worth it, so I don't have a problem with your point.

But there's more to a reasonable process than merely checking the truth of what they "state". If I can lie, I can be lied to. So it is reasonable to expect that some, if not all, faith start with lies from either a human or some other source.

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw

Originally posted by babloyi

No, he isn't "one of the messiahs". He's the only person in the entire Islamic Scripture (Quran AND Hadith) who is known by the title of "Al-Masih", i.e. The Messiah. There are many prophets ("nabi"), there are many messengers from god ("rasul"), but he is the only Messiah. Nobody else in Islam is called "Messiah", except the anti-christ, who is referred to as "Masih al-Dajjal", i.e. False Messiah (in the Hadith though, the False Messiah doesn't figure into the Quran). I don't know why you keep talking about stuff you have no idea of. Sure, Judaism has many "annointed ones", but if you talk about "The Prophesied Messiah", to any jew who knows anything at all about their religion is pretty obvious you're talking about a specific character, a king from David's line who plays a role in Jewish eschatology.

Christians and Muslims consider this person to be Jesus, while the Jews do not.

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This post is very correct, and can be backed up by fact. I can tell this person has actually done some reading

I think you both are wrong in your interpretation. There are 3 Messiah / al-Masih in Islam.

1.al-Masih al-Mahdi
2.al-Masih ad-Dajjal / AntiChrist/AntiIslam/The King who become god.
3.al-Masih Isa ibnu Maryam/Jesus of Nazareth

The word al-masih means "the anointed ones"/ the awaited, converted to English as Messiah. The order above is how they will "appear" and not when they were be born.

reply to post by NullVoid


The Mahdi and Al Masih are different concepts entirely.

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by NullVoid

 

The Mahdi and Al Masih are different concepts entirely.

Hmm I dont understood what you mean by that.
They all carry al-Masih title, they all have their own roles, they all awaited.
When talking to Christians, Messiah/al-masih refers to somebody (Jesus ?).
When talking to Muslims, Dajjal and Mahdi is simply refered/shrotened as "Dajjal" and "Mahdi", and al-masih usually linked to Jesus. However in proper titling, they all carry al-Masih.

Most think its a different concept, but it is just a confused naming/referring. They all al-masih/Messiah, yes including the Dajjal.

It is English / Christian users that should correct their interpretation of the word "Messiah". The root word/language have the true meaning, hence why Quran will forever be in Arabic.

reply to post by NullVoid

No offence or anything at all, but I am curious where you get this information from. I've read the Mahdi referred to as "Al-Mahdi" (The Guided One) and sometimes as "Al-Qaim" (The Rising One) and "Al-Muntathar" (The Awaited One) in Shi'ite literature (where he's given a much more messianic character), but even they have never referred to him with the title Al-Masih. Could you tell me where you got that from?

reply to post by babloyi


Hmm, so you dont want to know about the Al-Masih ad-Dajjal ? just Mahdi ?

No worry, its just their proper titles. Its according to Sunni, the largest of Islam denominations. I think its also the same title as in Shii'te. Its just Christians that refer al-masih/Messiah specifically to Jesus and Muslims play along.

But since their names already different, Muslims usually drop the title.

Point to watch and similarity.
They Grey Wizard Gandalf, The White Wizard Saruman and The Brown Wizard Radagast all are wizards, yet do we call Grey Wizard Gandalf or just Gandalf ?.

Similarity of LOTR to Muslim prophecy and current conspiracy is very interesting indeed, if you have time to see.
Btw Gandalf is sort of Jesus - "dead" but yet will resurface
Saruman - Dajjal, Sauron - you know who the one eye.
Radagast - I still havent read the book, just movie, but I dont think hes the Mahdi.
I think its Frodo represent the Mahdi - the one who doesnt want to be elected but still have to lead.

reply to post by NullVoid

Hahahahahahahhahaha......I literally burst out laughing at your LotR vs Muslim/Judeo-Christian eschatology. Considering what you've got written under your "Mood", I'd be suspicious .

I know that Tolkien held his christian faith very strongly (I believe he is the one who "turned" C.S. Lewis), and while his stories do have loads of christian imagery, I've never seen anyone break it down like that .

But yeah, I meant the use of the title from Islamic Scripture (I know that the Mahdi isn't referred to by any name in the Quran, but he is present in the Hadith). Do you have any references where he is called as "Al-Masih"? I already knew about the dajjal, even the wiki page on the dajjal has loads of easily accessible hadith examples, but I've never read anywhere of the Mahdi being referred to as al-Masih.

reply to post by NullVoid


Because Isa is the only one referred to as Al Masih. Dajjal is referred to in this opposite way to distinguish him as the anti-masih.

I see you are using sunni sources.

I find shia sects as sources more reliable.

The majority are not always the correct.

hang on, think about it- if this is true, GOOGLE EARTH IS A PROPHET SENT FROM GOD ABOVE!


THANK YOU ALLAH FOR THE GOOGLE VAN THAT TOOK PICTURES OF MY HOUSE LAST YEAR!

reply to post by babloyi


Maybe I'm wrong somewhere, but I do read about the titles somewhere. Maybe its actually al imam al mahdi. Who cares anyway, its just titles. Lookup Muhamad Isa Dawud book about Dajjal. I'm very much biased with his writings.

On LOTR stuff, yes its kinda laughable but after noticed the similarity, I look for more and did found more about the resemblance. Its quite strikingly resemble the prophecy, but who cares anyway, right ? This topic really require a thread of its own and more research.
Among things that I found and fits my bias.
The middle earth and middle east , Frodo "election", location from where he comes from. The one eye we know who. The deal of dividing the world between Saruman and the eye owner, how Gandalf reappearance with Messiah coming, who will kill Saruman, the white castle, the two towers - two mystery triangle in the sea, the Gog Magog and Urukhai, the one ring and one world government initiatives.

Its quite fun to link all these stuff.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Praetorius

 

And remember, even the muslims themselves acknowledge Muhammad was previously deceived by Satan, in the matter of the Satanic Verses that were originally included in the Quran.

Why would Satan want Muhammad to make a new mosque facing mecca? Would that not be leading him on the right path? If it were Satan giving information to him would it not be the wrong direction?

Yes, exactly. The wrong direction. Satan would be encouraging Moe in the development of a false religion, against God. That's kinda Satan's thing, it's what he does.

reply to post by nenothtu


If you read this site it might help to shed some light on the fact it is more than possible that Kaaba in Mecca was ALWAYS the 'right' direction... people moved the direction and it got moved back toward its correct place when the people were able to accept such a truth...

www.tajdeed.org...

what I am saying is that this scenario is entirely 'possible'.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Praetorius

 

Islam has always been a direct challenge to the continued legitimacy of both judaism and christianity

Islam is an Abrahamic religion just like Judaism and Christianity.

Islam CLAIMS to be an Abrahamic religion. That does not mean it IS. There is a high potential for usurpation - highjacking the religion of others for one's own ends. Happens in Christianity all the time.

The kid next door has a little plastic gun. It [/]looks like a gun, he claims it's a gun, but it's not really a gun.

I see where you are confused:
You think Islam is satanic and therefore anything facing mecca was satanic inspiration? That is clearly not true

How so? where is the "clearly not true" evidence?

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Yes, I've been reading up on that of late. I'm not sure I can accept the basic premise, but I suppose the potential is there - if one is willing to stretch some history and ignore other parts of it. Muddying the waters somewhat, perhaps, is the ancient link between Sumer and Dilmun, usually identified as Bahrain, which could have bridged the Arabian Peninsula with Sumer on a more direct route than the northern Syrian route. that linkage could provide an origin for Abraham from either direction, which later got confused, but it seems clear that he settled in Palestine, whichever direction he came from, and it was there that the history of the Abrahamic religions originated.

Remember, wherever Abraham came from, he is supposed to have been called by God to leave that place in favor of another.

By the way, thanks for that link - it's a very good companion piece to some of the other material I've been reading on the subject.