Google Earth proves Muhammad-Islam

Originally posted by Destiny10
reply to post by Apheon

 

Apheon.
Just because your life has never forced you to explore this (God and his existence), doesn't mean that your experience is the end to beat all. Have you faced death? Have you lost several family members in one day? Are you paddling a raft in the ocean. Are you in a fox hole? No.

Well here we go, you went and made a huge assumption, its fine though, its the internet, it's expected. Faced death a few times, my mother and father died when I was 12 in an automobile accident but I don't see what all that matters now?

Does the mind make this up? To my certain experience no, but not every one has a God and so no, he isn't real to some. To them.

What do you define as god? We easily forget humans are psychological beings, some are well, some are not so much, with plenty in-between.

If you face death you will certainly explore this. Perhaps you are young and think this will never happen. I don't know. But, I will say a short prayer for you in the meantime. Don't worry, it's for blessings only.

Perhaps I am younger than you, for that I cannot be certain, but I'm 34 if you want to ease your curiosity. I find it interesting that religious people have something to "guide" them however, I seriously doubt the lack of a religion would make anyone lesser, I mean it's human nature to be curious and question things.

I suppose where it breaks down is Blind Faith.

reply to post by Christosterone

Originally posted by Christosterone
Did Allah tell Mohammed to marry a 6 year old then have sex with her at age 9 or was that another "miscalculation"?

was the only point of your post to show

how ignorant you are?

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by Apheon

 

Perhaps not exactly, do you prefer phantom menace?

I'd actually prefer discussing these matters with someone who is willing to conceptualize God on a spiritual level....not through personal ideas such as "bearded man", "phantom menace etc.".

Peace.

That was the attempt at a "spiritual" level. Phantom as in I can't actively observe it, Menace as it seems menacing.
But it's cool man, have good one.

I do apologize for bringing in my philosophy of Rational Thought

'It really makes me think about becoming a Muslim'




Neeson's Mohammed controversy

Neeson, who voices Aslan the lion in the popular Narnia movies — based on C.S. Lewis books with a widely recognized, "unapologetic Christian message" — said that "Aslan symbolises a Christ-like figure but he also symbolises for me Mohammed, Buddha, and all the great spiritual leaders and prophets over the centuries."

Well after reading through this IMO the OP has a lot of misconceptions about his "true" religion or w.e he claims it is. Islam is something that has been spread with the sword period. it's a copy of multiple religious texts and as for the one talking about his first wife knowing a lot, this much is true - she had a copy of the bible at that time and would read it etc. Also about the gospel of Barnabas that someone claimed to be proper and talked about how it wasn't included in the bible but is in the quran is because it was created over 300 years after the death and Resurrection of Jesus, it was unauthentic. I know a lot about islam because my family comes from a muslim country where my mothers side were all teachers/principles. My mom also studied on this subject its funny how books on momo's true identity where even in the Islamic libraries.

funny how someone also mentioned the love for Moses... well in muslim texts it does have a lot of hatred towards jews, oddly Moses was a jew and he freed Israel from egypt so...

also you should know but in the quran it also say's that if you dont understand anything in this book (reffering to the quran) to go back to the book before for referance (bible)
Remember islam is 750+ years after christianity and alot of biblical material was available to read (even in Ethiopia, which is far from Israel, they had copies of the book of Isaiah etc.)

I really don't wanna get into much detail but here is a few good links that can help shed some light on this situation;
www.studytoanswer.net...
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sorry for my frantic writing style and my thoughts being everywhere, writing this from work

Agnostic, Lesley Hazleton :
Prophet Muhammad, Where did Humanity Go Wrong?

World renowned speaker Lesley Hazleton speaking at the Young Muslim Association's annual Birth of the Holy Prophet [s] Celebration. She covers a range of topics focusing around Islam and Muslims in this age, including history and beliefs, media perceptions, to radicalization, and even insight into human nature. A must see!

Originally posted by iIuminaIi
Thank god i've converted to islam

Prophet Muhammad's (SAW) Last Sermon

This Sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H in the Uranah Valley of mount Arafat

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I don't know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (Interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for your safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and comitted helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to commit adultery.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. You are all equal. Nobody has superiority over other except by piety and good action.

Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. Be my witness oh Allah that I have conveyed your message to your people."

www.alim.org...

Prophet Muhammad prophesied in the Old Testament

edit on 28-5-2012 by iIuminaIi because: (no reason given)

Ah Deuteronomy 18:18 is one of the most brought up scriptures from the old testament that muslims bring up when they wanna talk about how mohammad is mentioned in the Old Testament.

The Prophet
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”

Going a bit before this in Deuteronomy you can see that this whole message is pointed towards the ISRAELITE'S since it's talking about them entering the land given to them by GOD. First off it say's FROM YOUR OWN BROTHERS, meaning an ISRAELITE. Jesus was an Israelite, from the tribe of Judah being from one of the BROTHERS.

and here's just scripture to confirm deut 18:18

Acts 3:19-24 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said to the fathers, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'...

the Qur’an teaches that the prophetic line came through Isaac, not Ishmael: “And We bestowed on him Isaac and Jacob, and We established the Prophethood and the Scripture among his seed” (29:27). However, Yusuf Ali adds the word Abraham in the translation to make it read: “We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Porphethood and Revelation.” By adding Abraham, it is possible to include Muhammad in the prophetic line! However, Abraham is not found in the Arabic text of the Qur’an which Muslims consider to be correct

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The prophecies fit Muhammad like a glove.

Baptist Contradicts Jesus

In New Testament times, we find that the Jews were still expecting the fulfillment of the prophecy of One like Moses, refer John 1:19-25.

When Jesus claimed to be the Messiah of the Jews, the Jews began to esquire as to where was Elias? The Jews had a parallel prophecy that before the coming of the Messiah, Elias must come first in his second coming. Jesus confirms this Jewish belief:

“Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not,.. then the Disciples understood that he spoke unto them of John the Baptist.” (Mathew 17:11-13).

According to the New Testament the Jews were not the ones to swallow the words of any would-be Messiah. In their investigations they underwent intense difficulties in order to find their true Messiah. And this the Gospel of John confirms: “And this is the record of John (the Baptist), when the Jews sent priests and levites from Jerusalem to ask him, ‘Who art thou?’, and he confessed and denied not; but confessed, ‘I am not the Christ’ ” (This was only natural because there can’t be two Messiahs at the same time. If Jesus was the Christ then John couldn’t be the Christ!) “And they asked him: ‘What then? Art thou Elias?’ And he saith: ‘I am not’ ” Here John the Baptist contradicts Jesus! Jesus says that John is Elias and John denies that he is what Jesus ascribes him to be. One of the two (Jesus or John), God forbid!, is definitely not speaking the truth!

On the testimony of Jesus himself, John the Baptist was the greatest of the Israelite prophets: “Verily I say unto you, among them that are born of women, there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist” (Matthew 11:11).

We Muslims know John the Baptist as Yahya. We revere him as a true prophet of Allah. The Holy Prophet Jesus known to us as Eesa, is also esteemed as one of the mightiest messenger of the Almighty. How can we Muslims impute lies to either of them? We leave this problem between Jesus and John for the Christians to solve, for their “Sacred Scriptures abound in discrepancies which they have been glossing over as the ‘dark sayings of Jesus’ ” (See the Times Magazine December 30th, 1974, article How true is the Bible?).

We Muslims are really interested in the last questions posed to John the Baptist by the Jewish elite – Art thou that prophet? And he answered, “No.”(John 1:21).

“That Prophet”

If we look up any Bible which has a concordance or cross-references, then we will find in the marginal note where the words the Prophet, or that Prophet occur in John 1:25, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18. And that that Prophet – the Prophet like Moses – “Like unto thee”, it has been proved through overwhelming evidence that he was Muhammad and not Jesus!

Muslims are not denying that Jesus was the Messiah, which word is translated as Christ. We are not contesting the Thousand and One Prophecies which the Christians claim abound in the Old Testament foretelling the coming of the Messiah. What we say is that Deuteronomy 18:18 does not refer to Jesus Christ but it is an explicit prophecy about the prophet Muhammad!.”

Muhammad in the Bible

Great thread, thanks for the much needed info =)

just wanted to add this

YouTube (or Tool/Joel/Amos) Proves Muhammad's A Friend

The Holy Bible shows the good and bad. It doesn't paint a pretty picture. It contains real history. In that recorded history and the other books, the plan of God is made known. Plenty that happened was not condoned by God. God uses the pagan just as He uses His children to carry out His will. Just as He used Cyrus and called him by name hundreds of years before Cyrus was even born. The laws applied to the Jews only and Jesus fulfilled all the laws because He's perfect love and love fulfills all the laws. (Romans 13:8-10) Where love was fulfilled, Jesus says love our enemies. Bless, do not curse. But this is not so in Islam.

God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. ( Malachi 3:6 )

Jesus is the word of God made flesh. It is by the Word all was brought into being. (John 1)

Jesus said if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. I am in the Father and the Father in me. (John 14) He said before Abraham was, I AM. (John 8:58) There can be no denying Jesus equaled Himself with God and anyone that says different is a liar.

Here we have the Father and the Son in Isaiah talking. Then Jesus saying the same in Revelation 22:12-16

(Isaiah 44:6-8) “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”
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(Revelation 22:12-16)
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
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There's plenty more examples. Jesus is God. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

islam is an abrahamic religion just like Judaism and christianity.

In fact Jesus is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the bible and Muslims belive that Jesus will return

Abrahamic religion, yes. Just like judaism and christianity - no. Fundamental disagreements on a range of founding doctrines and implications, and direct controversion of both.

But it does not apply to this example as the end result was the construction of a mosque facing kaaba and spreading more Islam...

That's exactly why it applies. Sharing of this knowledge would lend aid to a religion that is at odds with the true faith. That's plenty of motive for this to be shared accurately.

You think Islam is satanic and therefore anything facing mecca was satanic inspiration? That is clearly not true

You misunderstand me - what I'm saying is that God did not have to be the author of this miraculous information being provided to Muhammad, as you're saying he was.

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You guys keep arguing if it were God or Satan that gave the info, when in all reality it was aliens.

S&F OP, very nice work.

Praetorius, your small mind is showing.


Khar

reply to post by CodyOutlaw


It's not fitting at all toward Jesus since Jesus is God. He didn't tell the Jews to follow any other god. Allah is not the god of Jews. Allah is a pagan deity of Arabia.

We can accept that the church was the work of God and call it a day or explore how man could have done this. I think of Eratosthenes in 3 BCE who not only went against the wisdom of his compatriots that the Earth was flat but actually calculated the circumference of the Earth (to about 97%) - all before Jesus was born.

I think of Archimedes who was close to calculating the volume of a sphere by imagining the number of infitessimally thin rods that could fit in (being at least 1,500 years ahead of his time!).

The point is that they could easily have had ingenious methods to line up the churches/Mosques in the right direction because this was important to your forefathers/them. You may be doing them a disservice by claiming it was God.

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
reply to post by blueorder

 

Just pointing out that violence on a grand scale is prevalent in both the OT and the Koran.
Actually, moreso in the OT.

So, if you are saying only Islam is deserving of this accusation, then, I disagree.
If you think this of both the OT and the Koran, then great - we agree.

I did not mention any other religious text- take that to those defenders, but specifically on this issue, he is a warmongering killer

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
At this point what about the pure disbelievers: atheitsts etc...

While there are some people on here who believe it came from another one of God's creations like Satan, there are some who believe it came from God.

What about those non-believers how do not believe in any of those...what are your theories and evidence to back it up please.

I fail to see how building something to face a certain direction is so hard. You have 360 degrees of direction in which to build your temple. Let's just aim it over at that mountain and call it divine influence. Sounds pretty simple to me. The pyramids are geometrically aligned with some stars or some #%$#, does that mean Egyptian theology is true? What about Stonehenge? Is Celtic Druidism/Paganism true?

reply to post by Danbones


The pope(s) discredited themselves NOT Christianity
The pope does NOT in any way speak for God here on earth.
The pope(s) are mere men and need to be saved just like any man.
they sin, they need to accept Christ as their savior.
Their will be more popes in hell then in Heaven.

Jesus speaks for God!
The Holy Spirit speaks for God
And the Angels speak for God.

\Not some unrighteous overdressed hypocrite
PERIOD

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Or what about a really long piece of string, couldn't take that long to make

Giving another way to do the same problem does not negate the fact that he did it the first way, ie through divine intervention.

The only way anyone would know this if they were either God or Muhammad and since we are all mere mortals on this realm it's just a theory.

reply to post by iIuminaIi

The glove does not fit Muhammad at all...

Why did those Jews think that John might be the Hebrew prophet Elijah, who had died some nine centuries before? It was because of a prophecy that had been uttered about midway between the time of Elijah and the commencement of John’s ministry. God’s prophet Malachi had foretold: “Look! I am sending to you people Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day the LORD comes.” (Malachi 4:5)

Evidently some Jews understood that to mean a physical return of Elijah, perhaps by God’s resurrecting him. Then John appeared wearing a garment of hair and a leather girdle similar to Elijah’s dress. (Matthew 3:4; 2 Kings 1:8) And John was outspoken in proclaiming God’s message calling for repentance, as Elijah had been. So they asked John if he was Elijah.

John answered, “I am not.” No, he was not the actual Hebrew prophet Elijah, who was still asleep in death. In fact, an angel had told Zechariah (who became John’s father) that John would serve with “Elijah’s spirit and power,” to turn the Jews back to the LORD. (Luke 1:17) John would not be Elijah; but he would do a work similar to that accomplished by the long-deceased prophet Elijah. He had prepared the way before the Messiah. Yet, most of the Jews did not accept John as fulfilling that role. Furthermore it is written at John 10:41: “John, indeed, did not perform a single sign,” whereas the original prophet Elijah performed eight signs or miracles.

Admittedly, in various respects Moses set a pattern for the coming Messiah. Though Moses himself was a prophet, he foretold a coming greater prophet ‘like him.’ That was the prophet the Jews were asking John about.

Actually, many Jews sensed that Jesus was “The Prophet,” which his followers confirmed. (Deuteronomy 18:15-19; John 1:21; 5:46; 6:14; 7:40; Acts 3:22, 23; 7:37) Moses was also the mediator of the Law covenant, but Jesus received “a more excellent public service” as “the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant,” the glorious new covenant. (Hebrews 8:6; 9:15; 12:24) This helps us to understand why Jesus was the Prophet Moses spoke about

EDIT: Sorry I left out that if you continue in the passage of John that you provided John also continues on to say
22 Finally they said, “Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?”
23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’”[d]
24 Now the Pharisees who had been sent 25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
26 “I baptize with[e] water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know. 27 He is the one who comes after me, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”
28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Was muhammad among them at that time? No, but Jesus was. And when you continue even further John testifies about Jesus.
Also check out this video, 27 minutes long but has good information
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Strength


Muhammad’s experience in the Cave of Hira, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfillment of another Biblical Prophecy. In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 29, verse 12, we read: ‘And the Book is delivered to him that is not learned’ (Isaiah 29:12). ‘The Unlettered prophet’ (the Holy Quran 7:158). And the Biblical verse continues: ‘Saying, read this, I pray thee:’ ‘And he saith, I am not learned.’. ‘I am not learned.’ is the exact translation of the Arabic words which Muhammad uttered twice to the Holy Spirit, the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded: ‘Read!’).

Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the King James Version, or the Authorized Version as it is more popularly know: ‘And the Book is delivered to him that is no learned, saying: ‘Read this I pray thee’. And he saith: ‘I am not learned.’ (Isaiah 29:12).

Important note : It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles in existence in the 6th century of the Christian Era when Muhammad lived and preached. Besides, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. He never knew how to read and write Arabic, his own language, let alone knowing a completely different one.

‘He does not speak (aught) of (his own) desire: It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by One Mighty in Power’ (the Holy Quran 53:3-5).

Without any human learning, ‘he put to shame the wisdom of the learned’.

To the Lambs of Christ I say, why not apply that acid test which the Master himself wanted you to apply to any would be claimant to prophethood? He had said:

“By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes from the thorns, of figs from the thistles? Every good tree will bear good fruit and every evil tree will bear evil fruit… By their fruits ye shall know them”. (Mathew 7:16-20).

Why are you afraid to apply this test to the teachings of Muhammad? You will find in the Last Testament of God, the Holy Quran, the true fulfillment of the teachings of Moses and Jesus which will bring to the world the much needed peace and happiness. George Bernard Shaw was quoted as saying:

“If a man like Muhammad were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.”

Prophet Muhammad in the Bible