Legit Questions for ATS Liberals…Shed Some Light Please

First of all, questions one and two make you look like a hypocrite. In the first question, you make the blanket statement that all devoted Muslims kill homosexuals. In your next question, you blame liberals for racism. *eye roll.*

You are projecting some sick ideals onto a political party that largely does not have those ideals, and then asking that political party to defend those ideals. When they are unable to defend them - since they're nonsense in the first place - you're using that as basis to say the entire political party is based on indefensibly bad logic. This entire thread is nothing more than a strawman set up.

1) I have never in my life met a person, Liberal, Democrat, or Muslim, who actually wants to impose Sharia Law in the United States. Your first question is based on one of many of your silly beliefs about people who are different than you. If no liberals can answer that question, it's because no liberals feel that way. Also... "Homosexual agenda?" Seriously? Their "agenda" is to be left the hell alone. Some dudes are into poles. Some chicks are into holes. Get over it.

2a) Vocal black Democrats get praise by the left because they're Democrats. Vocal black Republicans get disdain from the left because they're Republicans. It has nothing to do with skin
color - YOU are the one making skin color an issue when you pose your second question, thus turning it into a strawman argument.

2b) Regarding social programs, Democrats support them because the poor don't deserve to starve to death so that the rich can get richer. Modern liberal thought isn't an embrace of full socialism. Liberals are able to see that if the rich are left to their own devices, they would absolutely let the poor die. Social programs are a necessary part of a civilized society that values human life. Sadly these programs are being exploited and over-used, which Liberals see as a symptom of a problem rather than something that causes problems "for blacks" - And for the record, there are white people on welfare too (gasp!) so even the second part of your second question is based on a false presumption.

3) Yet again, the left is "against" Conservative women because they are Conservatives, not because they are women. Another false premise to set up another silly strawman, just like all of the questions posed.

4) I think you might find that the Liberals who are actively pro-choice have very passive opinions about the death penalty, and the Liberals who are actively anti-death penalty have passive opinions about abortion. Just because somebody is a "liberal" doesn't mean they are automatically rabidly in support of every Liberal viewpoint. The only people who seem to actually be pro-choice and anti-death-penalty are liberal politicians pandering to every liberal viewpoint they can. In that case, what they are doing is called "lying" since they don't give a rat's behind about viewpoints or morals. The only viewpoint ANY politician actually has is that they should have more money and power for themselves.

Ask valid questions that actually apply to the people you're asking them off, and maybe you'll get some valid answers. I'm not dodging your questions, I'm flat out telling you that they don't apply to any liberal I've ever met.

Originally posted by Propulsion
reply to post by LErickson

 

I never said Sarah Palin is not a woman.
I am not sure you can read.

Ahhh, but you did…

This is such a lame argument. Sarah Palin is not "women." It is just that simple. Hating George Bush does not equal hating all men so hating Palin does not equal hating women.

..At least that’s what you said in your first post…

Is English not your first language?
Woman: Singular
Women: Plural

So when LErickson said "Sarah Palin is not "women"... They meant Sarah Palin does not represent the entire female gender. The OP said liberals hate women because they hate Sarah Palin, which is quite a ridiculous statement.

I'd like to approach my thoughts to the OP's questions in a little different way, so I hope taking a more "abstract" road to answering these questions will be welcomed, not my intention to "muddle" your thread.

I think the "liberal" agenda was born out of a desire to improve or try and correct social injustice, and to counter balance "the good old boys club" that was pefectly content to weld thier influence, and ill-gotten wealth to control and suppress the majority. The playing field was completely unfair, think of starting a game of Monopoly where if you are an average working guy, minority or a woman, your forced to sit in "jail" while all the "good property" is bought up for the 1st half of the game, maybe you can buy a little here or there, but WHO always KICKS YOUR AZZ in Monopoly..the ones that own the most property.

Now the " Good old Boys " say " Hey now, things are working for us, Just Fine! , those "damm, civial rights groups, feminists and anti-war activists don't understand " Buisness"....we "EARNED" this, so what if my employees work for minimum rage, no health insurance, maybe thier health at risk, those "bastards" are lucky to have a job! It's MINE, my "FAMILY", I deserve a few extra million a year on top of my salary, all my "exspences written off" lol, hell what good is money if you don't have the best tax lawyers, and hell those dummies are even giving it back to us through taxes"

Anyways, that's how it started I think, sadly has morphed into one big mess, good intentions doing more harm then good, keeping us divided. JFK was murdered by the "good old boys club" and the "Outright" cover up and dishonesty inspired many other movements to restore "justice" by the people, hmmmmm then what happens some big "influx" of drugs? Then a WAR on drugs? I have so much more I would like to add as it applies to current times, but I gotta do my "Easter Bunny" duties....look forward to seeing what thoughts others have when I return.....God Bless.....

Originally posted by seabag
1) Homosexuality and Muslims - Devote Muslims kill homosexuals for being homosexual (fact). Yet, liberals support both the Homosexual agenda in America as well as Muslim Sharia Law. What gives?

Um... BS. I'm a liberal, and I don't support Sharia Law at all. When you say "Liberals" in this context, I think you've mistakenly identified idiots. The idea of allowing Sharia Law within the US is basically saying some groups get to exist outside the authority (and protection) of a universal judicial system - which is patently antithetical to the entire premise of progressivism.

2) Racism – (Hot topic these days…I know…I will tread lightly) It seems liberals keep the term “racists” alive. Why are vocal black democrats given praise by the left (Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Shiela Jackson Lee, etc) while vocal black conservatives (Clarence Thomas, Alan West, Herman Cain, etc) called names by the left?

What kind of question is this? I think that what you'll find is that Liberals are objecting to the conservatism of Thomas, West, et. al., not to their blackness. Are you suggesting that just because those people are black, they should be exempt from all criticism from the Left? How silly.

Also, why do liberals continue to promote social programs that enslave blacks at poverty level? Left policies have NEVER led to black prosperity (Chicago, Detroit, ALL of California, etc are good examples) yet they get the majority of the black vote. What does the left offer that should inspire black Americans and keep their vote? I think the tide is turning, by the way. This video is a good illustration of what I’ve said.

Actually I agree with you on this. Dangit.

3) Pro Women yet Anti Conservative Women – Liberals say they’re for women’s rights yet they destroyed Sarah Palin and her family in 2008. Liberals love Hillary but what did they have to say about Condoleezza?? Have liberals ever denounced all of the chauvinist remarks about Bachman?

That's just because Sarah Palin lacks substance and original thought. She's great at trotting out talking points, but I haven't heard any actual ideas come out of her. Again, just because these people are women, doesn't mean we can't criticize them. That's called equality, remember?

LAST BUT NOT LEAST…

4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

Anti-Abortion, but Pro-War? Need I say any more?

Originally posted by seabag

I'll take a shot at these...although for the record I have denounced the whole idea of liberal vs. conservative. However, much as your post requested I won't veer off on this tangent.

1) Homosexuality and Muslims - Devote Muslims kill homosexuals for being homosexual (fact). Yet, liberals support both the Homosexual agenda in America as well as Muslim Sharia Law. What gives?

What liberals support Sharia Law? I've never met one or even heard of such a thing? I'm sure there is at least one or two nutcases who think that it's a swell idea...but then again I could probably find one or two people who think Elvis is living on a secret base on Mars. Is it perhaps getting confused with the idea that we should simply not stick our nose into how other countries govern themselves? While being against Sharia Law...I think only fools would attempt to get involved in changing it.

2) Racism – (Hot topic these days…I know…I will tread lightly) It seems liberals keep the term “racists” alive. Why are vocal black democrats given praise by the left (Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Shiela Jackson Lee, etc) while vocal black conservatives (Clarence Thomas, Alan West, Herman Cain, etc) called names by the left?

It's not a question of "name-calling", unless that "name" is outright racial slur. I think most liberals think that Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich are more or less two peas in a pod. Both preach "traditional" values while screwing around on their wives and both have comically simplistic notions about how the world works. Newt's idea that a military threat to Iran is even plausible given that we haven't won a major conflict in 67 years and Cain's "9-9-9" plan chief among them. I use the term a%$hole equally for both of them. Ditto for George W. Bush and Obama. Both have shredded the Constitution, engaged in undeclared wars, and bailed out their buddies.
That being said...it's not "liberals" that keep the term "racist" alive. I mean...doesn't the fact that the KKK still exists more or less PROVE that "racism" also exists? You can't have one without the other.

Also, why do liberals continue to promote social programs that enslave blacks at poverty level? Left policies have NEVER led to black prosperity (Chicago, Detroit, ALL of California, etc are good examples) yet they get the majority of the black vote. What does the left offer that should inspire black Americans and keep their vote? I think the tide is turning, by the way. This video is a good illustration of what I’ve said.

Since when do "liberals" want to promote social programs that keep blacks at poverty level? If you want less people in poverty of ANY color you first need to have decent paying jobs for them to go to. The term "decent" meaning one that is able to essentially the afford the basic trappings of middle class existence such as home ownership, reliable transportation, food, clothing, health care, and still having enough left over for savings and discretionary spending. However...when it's a "sin" to tell a corporation that they must employ Americans if they are an "American" company because that's "socialism" or "regulation" you simply have no option except for large percentages of the population to become Wards of the State. I think that most "liberals" just think it makes more sense to feed, house, and educate these people instead of throwing them to the proverbial wolves. The MOST DANGEROUS animal on planet Earth is a desperate human. BANDS OR PACKS of desperate humans are even more dangerous still. Irrespective of how costly these social programs are...it's still cheaper than locking people up who turned to "crimes" to support themselves.

3) Pro Women yet Anti Conservative Women – Liberals say they’re for women’s rights yet they destroyed Sarah Palin and her family in 2008. Liberals love Hillary but what did they have to say about Condoleezza?? Have liberals ever denounced all of the chauvinist remarks about Bachman?

When has a "liberal" EVER "destroyed" Condoleezza Rice? They might not be big fans of her policies, politics, worldview, etc...but I have not ever heard a single "Condi is stupid/crazy" joke. Not once. Ever. There is a HUGE difference between calling some an "a@#hole" and racism/sexism. Likewise...Sarah Palin's ignorance of foreign policy, history, and our system of government is self-evident. Isn't comparing Sarah Palin to Condleezza Rice is the MOST sexist and insulting notion of all?

4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

I won't even touch this one....it's as absolutely irrational as "Pro-Life" as well as "Pro-Death Penalty & War". Neither approach is rational or coherent in the least.

Originally posted by seabag
This is in response to the thread Questions for our Conservative ATS Members which asked some legit questions and I think he/she got some legit answers; I hope to get the same. By the way, if you’re going to just tell us that we’re all fools for buying into the left/right paradigm then just drop a S&F and move on please.

I’m not talking about republicans and democrats here so you can save your comparisons for another thread. I’m posing these questions to people who identify as LIBERALS not run of the mill democrats (I’m a CONSERVATIVE not a run of the mill republican).

OK, if we (we = those of us who understand there are serious differences in the way left or right leaning people would like to govern the affairs of the US of A) better understood where each other are coming from we might actually accomplish something.

Let’s get started! These are just a few of the contradictions (hypocrisy if you will) I’ve gleaned from researching my brothers and sisters on the left.

I will not attempt to speak for anyone but myself. I assure you that I will answer your questions in good faith and with the expectation that you are not being condescending, but rather that you are genuinely interested in how someone that labels themselves as liberal feels about the questions you pose.

1) Homosexuality and Muslims - Devote Muslims kill homosexuals for being homosexual (fact). Yet, liberals support both the Homosexual agenda in America as well as Muslim Sharia Law. What gives?

Your question is baseless, multifaceted conjecture ended with a question mark. The only way to answer your question is to break down your assumption first. Your question should have been..

As a Liberal do you support Muslim Sharia Law?

To that I will reply:

I support the laws of the United States of America. I am a Liberal American. Like you, I feel that our nation has a set of laws within the Constitution that need to be upheld to continue our society. Religious doctrine holds no sway over my belief that the Rule of Law needs to be respected, and I break with any individual who holds onto any religious law over the societal laws we have established.

2) Racism – (Hot topic these days…I know…I will tread lightly) It seems liberals keep the term “racists” alive. Why are vocal black democrats given praise by the left (Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Shiela Jackson Lee, etc) while vocal black conservatives (Clarence Thomas, Alan West, Herman Cain, etc) called names by the left?

You have answered your own question. Take race out of it completely and ask the question again.

Why are vocal democrats given praise by the left while vocal conservatives called names by the left?

Do you see the answer now? It isn't a matter of race, as you suggest, it is a matter of politics.

Also, why do liberals continue to promote social programs that enslave blacks at poverty level? Left policies have NEVER led to black prosperity (Chicago, Detroit, ALL of California, etc are good examples) yet they get the majority of the black vote. What does the left offer that should inspire black Americans and keep their vote? I think the tide is turning, by the way. This video is a good illustration of what I’ve said.

I believe that the programs are keeping people fed and alive. These same programs are open to people of all colors and ethnicities, not just black americans. An outside force must be keeping black americans from attaining a higher level of success than caucasians. I will not speculate what that is, as it is not part of your question.

I do not feel that anyone is offering ANYONE inspiration. I am a liberal, that doesn't mean I am a Democrat. I do not agree with much of any mainstream party, and I think they are all corporate shills.

3) Pro Women yet Anti Conservative Women – Liberals say they’re for women’s rights yet they destroyed Sarah Palin and her family in 2008. Liberals love Hillary but what did they have to say about Condoleezza?? Have liberals ever denounced all of the chauvinist remarks about Bachman?

Again, I think you are mixing sexism and politics in a way that doesn't need to be in the conversations. You see a republican woman and a democratic woman. I see a Republican and a Democrat. Liberals are going to agree with the liberal and not the conservative.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST…

4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

I am Pro Choice and Pro Capital Punishment.

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TO OP

Actually Muslim men in the mid east and north Africa regularly engage in homosexual
relationships before marriage, it is a cultural thing that is encourage so they do not
"spoil" women by taking their virginity. I just thought I'd clear that up.

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I'm sorry, Seabag, but you can't say "I'm not talking about Republicans and democrats here So you can save your comparisons for another thread." when the questions you ask are clearly republican slanted instead of coming from an American stand point.
Your first question poses 2 subjects of idealogy that Republicans traditionally are against. Homosexuals & Muslims and try to say Liberals are hypocrites for supporting both. How about Liberals support American values like worship how you like but don't murder homosexuals even tho your antiquated laws say you should (you left out Christian "laws" that say do the same). what you really point out here is how Conservitives are closer to thinking everything is black and white, right or wrong and anyone who disagrees is just plain wrong. Liberals are traditionally supporting the Constitution when it comes to religion, blacks and minorities.
"Liberals Keep the term "racists" alive." really! Racism isn't alive without Liberals? You strongly imply vocal Conservitive blacks are called names by the liberals but vocal black liberals are left alone by conservatives. do really believe this is true? No, you just have a republican view and don't choose to see it otherwise.
Social agendas that enslave blacks! Wow! Republicans definitely believe this to be true but as many here have pointed out to you whites are the Majority of recipients of these "agendas". Besides these Social programs are to help those in need to get back into capitalistic program and succeed. You on the Conservitive side want the rest of us to think that these are the same people year after year asking for a hand out when reality is it's a constant turnover, when someone gets that leg up they need they enter the work force as soon as they can because believe it or not no one wants to stay poor. Am I saying that many stay to collect as much "free" cash as they can? Of course not but it's immensely stupid to say "blacks are enslaved to Poverty levels" because of Liberals!
OK, now for the fun. You say Liberals "destroyed" Sarah Palin and her family.Ha, what happened to that Conservitive "taking responsibility for yourself" ethic I always hear? As the Vice Presidential nominee it's political suicide to try to skate by saying "I read all of them" when asked what newspapers you read. THEN claim it was a "gotcha question" you would have to be blind to think Sarah is on par as a VP candidate while saying the foreign policy you hold is "we can see Russia from land in Alaska"!!!! The most common defense of this from conservatives is "Tina Fey is the one who said "I can see Russia from my house!" THAT'S the lunacy from the conservatives we just can't stand!!! The question was What is your foreign policy experience!!! Even a moron would see that's not an answer by a smart person who wishes not to be laughed at.
Bachmann Married a gay guy and they think you can pray the gay away. Does this make sense to conservatives? If so then intelligence has left your party. Both these women held up as leaders in the conservative party is an insult to the rest of thinking Americans. The founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery? Do you agree with this statement? Do you agree with the Bachmanns taking money from the government to adopt 23 children and then try to turn it into a Christian school? Separation of church and state. Besides she lies every time she says she raised 23 children:
www.addictinginfo.org...
As for Condoleeza Rice, I can't get past her lying in front of the 9/11 Commission and the lame answers she gave to them about not know Bin Laden striking on US soil while holding the book with that title under her arm!
How about the way the conservatives treated Hillary and Chelsea? Or Michelle Obama? Right, you are asking about Liberals treating conservative women, does Palin deserve ridicule? Yes, from intelligent thinkers she does and so does Bachmann for her abuse of her position. Why? If for no other reason than treating the rest of us like fools and gullible.
Abortion? You've been schooled by many already about your black & white stance on this. Like Santorum do you think birth begins at erection? Seems to me conservatives think a fetus is a full grown person with more rights than the life support system (momma) has to her body as an American. Resolve that, conservatives!!!
George Carlin described your side the best when he said Conservatives are In favor of the unborn, until you are born you're on your own! They are obsessed with Fetus' from conception to nine months after that they don't want to know about you.You are on your own. If you are preborn you are fine if you are preschool you are not! Conservatives don't give a hoot about you until you reach military age.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The reason you aren't going to see a lot of liberals posting here, is because they are hiding under the shadows of the libertarians.

I'm not posting anything beyond this because I refuse to answer a bunch of loaded questions to someone who has repeatedly ignored direct evidence. Really, all liberals support Sharia law? I guess I must have missed that memo at the last Intolerant Liberal Media Takeover luncheon.

There is MORE than enough proof to refute whatever posts you want to come up with...the problem is, you will ignore evidence, or fabricate counter-evidence, or fall on a couple of good old punching bags like Unce Al and Brother Jesse to lump everyone together. David Duke follows your ideology, I guess that mean you are a member of the KKK right? See how easy it is to be willfully ignorant? It takes work to actually deny ignorance, work which you and your brethren refuse to do, and wallow in your ignorance gleefully, even spreading it like so much fertilizer. Case in point: In Canada, FOX is not allowed to call itself "news" because it has been caught lying so many times. So what do conservatives in America do? Instead of saying, "why did they lie? what did they lie about?", American Conservatives mocked Canada. Instead of actually thinking where there is smoke there is fire, they just made fun of the source. Deny Ignorance, right? I will even ask you now to respond to that: Why is FOX not allowed to call itself news anymore seabag? How do you feel about FOX being proven liars?

edit on 8-4-2012 by aching_knuckles because: (no reason given)

So you just attack our news sources and not even ponder the mysteries of what it means to be a liberal and how it can be sometimes contradictory in itself? Talk about willfully ignorant. NBC has been caught editing the Zimmerman tapes. Networks lie, it's no reason to just bash conservatives because you feel their network lies more. What about all of the Obama is oh so great propaganda the left is spewing or how they purposely manipulate the global warming doomsday scenarios. The only reason you seem to hate Fox News is because they hold a different viewpoint then your own and actually asks questions about your beloved Obama!

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While I don't agree with you on all of your opinions, I still respect them. Just wanted to say I appreciate the respectful response you gave.

We don't need to bicker and fight about politics like others who feel it is necessary to demoralize anyone who does not agree with them.

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by daslobo

1. Liberals do not support Sharia law. Liberals support separation of church and state, all churches and the state. If all religions aren't given equal footing, it sets a dangerous precedent. It sets the stage for official religion. If by homosexual agenda, you mean the right to marry, then yes, liberals support that right. Your question is indicative of the conservative mind. It assumes a contradiction when there is none. Even if they supported both, they wouldn't support or advocate for murder.

2. I was actually petty impressed by Thomas in a recent article. When Sharpton's show comes on, I turn the Chanel, not a fan. As far as social programs go, there are wayyyy many more white people on welfare than black people. The race of the person getting help matters less to liberals than just the fact that they need help.

3. Advocating for women's rights doesn't mean you support all female candidates. The women you describe are all grossly unqualified. For the record, many liberals can't stand Hillary either.

4. Abortion is wrong but according to the concepts of individual freedom upon which this country was founded, women should still have that choice.

This is one of the best, if not the best response to this thread. It's simple to the point and says your points of view without any of the sensationalist feel bad/feel good propaganda the left love to spew. Star for you!

Originally posted by seabag
1) Homosexuality and Muslims - Devote Muslims kill homosexuals for being homosexual (fact). Yet, liberals support both the Homosexual agenda in America as well as Muslim Sharia Law. What gives?

Stop listening to Fox News and Conservative radio. Go out, and actually talk to some liberals in real life. Nobody in their right mind supports Sharia Law. This is a lie peddled to you by people who are playing on your fears in order to drive in more ad dollars. Also, my "Muslim" friends are as "Muslim" as I am "Catholic". They were born into Muslim families and some have yet to drop the label.

2) Racism – (Hot topic these days…I know…I will tread lightly) It seems liberals keep the term “racists” alive. Why are vocal black democrats given praise by the left (Sharpton, Jackson, Rangel, Shiela Jackson Lee, etc) while vocal black conservatives (Clarence Thomas, Alan West, Herman Cain, etc) called names by the left?

You sound like the racists I was raised by: "Racism doesn't exist. But reverse racism does..." ::5 minutes later:: "I hate smelly Indians, because they stink."

3) Pro Women yet Anti Conservative Women – Liberals say they’re for women’s rights yet they destroyed Sarah Palin and her family in 2008. Liberals love Hillary but what did they have to say about Condoleezza?? Have liberals ever denounced all of the chauvinist remarks about Bachman?

As others have pointed out; Libs love strong, smart women. Hillary and Condeleeza are two good examples. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann spew worthless bull#, and lean very heavily on the Bible, which drives religion hating libs like me crazy.

4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

Pro-death penalty, pro-war, pro-bible ... yet, anti-abortion, anti-food stamps, anti-gay, anti-minority, anti-universal access to healthcare. The man never existed, but the Jesus of the bible that I grew up with was certainly a Liberal Jew. Funny that the same people who taught me to love a Liberal Jew, also tried to teach me conservative values.

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4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

I see no inconsistence in this. Convicts are sentient and are persons. Fetuses, at least early fetuses surely, do not have a mind and are not persons. They are basically things.

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Liberals want a Utopian society and believe the way to get there is to simply force rules and actions that would be part of a Utopian society...and...hope/believe the people's views will then follow and/or change to match.

Conservatives would like a Utopian society in that everyone "should" be able to get along. However they realize that people are different and that these differences will always (or at least for now) keep "Utopian" at arms reach. But conservatives will work toward creating Utopian-ready people in hopes that it can one day lead to a Utopian society.

You have it completely backwards. The more conservative the state, the more likely they have lots and lots of laws on the books telling people how to act. I don't know if you are aware of this, but a significant percentage of Republicans are very religious, and they want to tell you how to dress, how to walk, how to talk, who you can have sex with, how you are allowed to have sex, and what you can or can not put into your body.

The backbone of true Conservative society is lots and lots of rules on how you should behave.

If you don't like following lots and lots of rules, then you are not a conservative.

Sure, liberals like rules, but their rules aren't against actions like sodomy, but don't put poison in our drinking water, don't smoke someplace where my children are exposed to you cigarette smoke.

Can you see the difference?

Sure there are liberals who are control freaks and want to go crazy with things like political correctness, and ridiculous safety laws, but they are the extremists. Unfortunately, on both sides of the aisle, the extremists seem to be the ones who gravitate towards power.

As far as utopia is concerned, I don't believe in it, and think people would be bored to death in utopia. Struggle is inherent to our nature. On Star Trek, they actually had a show about how people would be bored in paradise.

Oh boy. You really are coming from a place of confusion, huh? Ok, much of these questions are coming from axioms the left don't share. Much of the original post is like an orthodox jew saying "Well, the pig is an unclean animal that will doom your soul for eating. Why on earth would anyone choose to eat bacon? It makes no sense! You people must be crazy." But I'll give it a shot.

The first thing you need to understand is that liberal and progressive folks are a LOT more diverse in their opinions than the conservative camp is. There's not anything like a monolithic agreement on hardly any issues beyond a few broad principles and virulent dissention about how to enact them. So everytime you ask "Why do The Liberals think 'X'?" you need to realize that "The Liberals" don't. _Some_ of them _might_ think that. So let's dive in...

1) Homosexuality and Muslims -

_SOME_ devout muslims kill homosexuals. And I've never met a single liberal who "supports Sharia law" (and 'Muslim Sharia Law' is awfully redundant). I've never met a homosexual who advanced a 'homosexual agenda'. Mostly they're just concerned with equality and not being assaulted. Now, if a person thinks that 1)homosexuality is neither sinful nor a choice (seriously. Trying chooing to be attracted to the same sex sometime.), 2) freedom of religion is a cornerstone of our civilization, and 3) that Sharia law can be a part of our society without damaging our secular institutions, then the choices you see as "supporting the homosexual agenda and sharia law" become not just a choice, but a duty to society. Many liberals fall into all three categories.

2) Why are vocal black democrats given praise by the left while vocal black conservatives called names by the left?

Because they agree with the former and disagree with the later. It has nothing to do with race for most folks. There's plenty of hard questions about race and racism to be asked and liberals often disagree about the answers, but in this case it's just not difficult to see the answer. Also, historically, culturally, and neurobiologically, if a person is a racist, they are almost certainly a conservative. [Please read that if...then... carefully before you get pissed off.] So when a conservative says something that might be racist or might not be, they get absolutely zero benefit of the doubt. Whether that's fair or not is up to you to decide, but it is a fact.

Also, why do liberals continue to promote social programs that

Because they seem them as the opposite of your characterization. Because liberals recognize that it's in there own best interest that there not be starving poor people everywhere, so dog-eat-dog capitalism is inherently flawed; causing both misery for others and danger for the self.What does the left ofter? A promise of a kinder society.

3) Pro Women yet Anti Conservative Women?

Absolutely. Just because you think gender equality is right and proper doesn't magically mean that all women are right all the time (regardless of what my girlfriend says). Liberals attacks on Palin and Bachman weren't because they were women, but because they're dangerous conservative lunatics who seem to want to destroy everything good in our world. I know I'd feel the same way about both of them if their genitalia were inverted. It's their _ideas_ that are repulsive.

4) Pro Abortion yet Anti-Death Penalty – Need I say more on this issue?

Darned right, you do! Are you utterly and completely ignorant of the liberal's reasoning here, or is this whole post of yours just a great big troll? The pro-life position is understandible (if wrong): y'all think that the moment sperm hits egg a soul gets minted by/enfused into the blastocyst making it a human life. Life is the provenance of god/jesus/jehova/mithra/whoever and therefore only it gets to choose which new souls gets rejected (which it does A LOT! Seriously, most fertilized eggs don't become people.) Fine. I get that. I think it's stupid and shortsighted, but I do actually understand the position. If I thought that way I'd be anti-abortion as well.

Now,for the love of bob, please do us the courtesy of at least _trying_ to understand the other side of the issue, as you are ostensibly attempting with your post.

Personhood is not a binary condition. There is no one moment where cells go from "chunk of protoplasm" to "living being". Rather, it is a spectrum of complexity, that really isn't reached until a few years after birth. I see a HUGE difference between giving the state my proxy to commit what is unequivicably, unquestionably the murder of a person and allowing the scraping of a few hundred cells out of a uterus. The REAL logical incoherence is with the opposite position: if you oppose abortion and support the death penalty, you are a flat out hippocrit.

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without any of the sensationalist feel bad/feel good propaganda the left love to spew.

Too bad you couldn't refrain yourself from spewing your own "feel bad/feel good propaganda".

You have no idea what liberals love. You are too caught up in your own emotions.

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Forget the Left Right Paradigm.

See the truth, not the propaganda.

I wish I could find the stats, but it has been proven that liberals change their views after a certain age. Usually thirty years of age on up. Can anyone explain why that is…?

This gives a general idea....

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

Liberals who support Sharia Law? Liberals supporting the "Homosexual Agenda"? Dude, you aren't ready for "legitimate" questions. You're not ready...

You must first try to embrace or understand the following principals:

1. All people are created equal.. And should there not be treated otherwise based on race, religion, sex, age, sexual orientation and anything of the sort. Understand true EQUALITY.

2. Understand the importance of the seperation of church and state.

3. Understand freedom of religion, which gives you the right to practice whatever belief you want but not to break sepration of church and state or to treat people as unequals.

Once you understand these things, which ALL AMERICANS SHOULD EMBRACE, then you'll begin to understand how a Liberal (as in a progressor of liberty) will support Muslims despite their beliefs, and even support Christians despite theirs, and support gay rights despite not being gay, supporting woman's rights despite one's personal objection to abortion, and always believe in the sepration of church and state so no one religion can force their will on others.

Liberals are what make this country great. Liberals seek to end slavery and push equality. Liberals believe in equal voter rights. Liberals care about other people more than money. liberals want peace and a clean environment. Thank GOD for Liberals because without them this world would forever be in the dark ages.