Time to take the gun from the American public!

Wow hasn't this kicked up a hornets next?

At the end of the day, Right or Wrong, guns are so ingrained in the American culture and has been since the days of its founding that it's something that would never happen.

Remember, those of us who think that the freedom to own firearms the American's have is incredulous is because we have never grown up with them been as socially acceptable as the US have so to us its just as strange as it is to a yank looking at us with out stiff gun control laws.

It's all a matter of perspective. Remember, their gun related crimes are higher in our views because their population is much higher than that of ours. Ratio it all out, their gun crime is no worse than that of England's or Australia's

reply to post by dreamingawake

This is a hot topic in the media to serve an agenda. Yeah, puts the gun use option ONLY in the hands of the criminals. That's just what we need more of. /sarcasm

Well, really? OP's opinion of banning, might as well outright go and announce we're going to be part of what we broke away from on Independence Day.
The Second Amendment defines us as a nation.

That is why the media loves TV and they have gotten away with this so long. When it's on the TV you can't hear anyone oppose it or talk back. All was well until the internet and look now people all over the world can access the internet on their phones.

Guns=1 Media=0

Give up weapons? Maybe some day but certainly not now.

Owning a gun is a choice, and it was put in the constitution for good reason.

To protect a tyrannical government from killing you.

If you take that away you've no chance of getting to a place where guns are not needed.

It is time to speak plainly for the good citizens and patriots of this nation who believe unendingly in the Constitution of the United States of America.

Though foreign governments may disarm their subjects, we will not go down that road. We will not disarm and see our freedoms stripped away. The lessons of history are numerous, clear, and bloody.

A disarmed population inevitably becomes an enslaved population. A disarmed population is without power, reduced to childlike obedience to, and dependence upon, the organs of a parental state. A disarmed population will lose, either piecemeal or in one sweeping act, those basic rights for which the citizens of America risked their lives and fortunes over 200 years ago.

We Will Not Disarm.

The right to self-protection, the internal directive of every living creature, be it mouse or man is the most fundamental right of all. It is a right that must be exercised against the predators of the streets, against the predators hidden within agencies of law enforcement, and against the most dangerous predators of all, those to be found in government, whose insidious grasping for power is relentless and never-ending.

We Will Not Disarm.

Not in the face of robbers, rapists and murderers who prey upon our families and friends. Nor in the face of police and bureau agents who would turn a blind eye to the Constitution, who would betray the birthright of their countrymen; nor in the face of politicians of the lowest order, those who pander to the ignorant, the weak, the fearful, the naive; those indebted to a virulent strain of the rich who insulate themselves from the dangers imposed upon other Americans and then preach disarmament.

* We will not surrender our handguns.
* We will not surrender our hunting arms.
* And we will not surrender our firearms of military pattern or military utility, nor their proper furnishings, nor the right to buy, to sell, or to manufacture such items.

Firearms of military utility, which serve well and nobly in times of social disturbance as tools of defense for the law-abiding, serve also in the quiet role of prevention, against both the criminal and the tyrannical. An armed citizenry, the well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment, properly armed with military firearms, is a powerful deterrent, on both conscious and subconscious levels, to those inclined toward governmental usurpation's.

An armed citizenry stands as a constant reminder to those in power that, though they may violate our rights temporarily, they will not do so endlessly and without consequence. And should Americans again be confronted with the necessity of - may God forbid it - throwing off the chains of a tyrannical and suffocating regime, firearms designed to answer the particular demands of warfare will provide the swiftest and most decisive means to this end.

Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, provides an open window through which a corrupt government will crawl to steal away the remainder of our firearms and our liberties. Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, being directly contrary to the letter and spirit of the Second Amendment, is inimical to the Constitution, to the United States of America, and to its citizens.

Now. Today. We are witnessing the perilous times foreseen by the architects of the Constitution. These are times when our government is demanding (in the guise of measures for the common good) the relinquishment of several rights guaranteed to Americans in the Constitution, foremost among which is the right to keep and bear arms for our own defense. These are times when our government has abdicated its primary responsibility (to provide for the security of its citizens). Swift and sure punishment of outlaws is absent, and in its place is offered the false remedy of disarming the law-abiding. Where this unconstitutional action has been given the force of law, it has failed to provide relief and has produced greater social discord. This discord in turn now serves as the false basis for the demand that we give up other rights, and for the demand for more police, more agents of bureaucratic control to enforce the revocation of these rights.

Legislators, justices and law officers must bear in mind that the foundation of their duties is to uphold the fundamental law of the land - the Constitution. They must bear in mind that the unconstitutional act of disarming one's fellow citizens will also disarm one's parents, spouse, brothers, sisters, children and children's children. They must bear in mind that there are good citizens who, taking heed of George Washington's belief that arms are the liberty teeth of the people, will not passively allow these teeth to be torn out. There are good citizens who, taking heed of Benjamin Franklin's admonition that those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, will surrender not one of their rights. Those who eat away at our right to own and use firearms are feeding on the roots of a plant over two centuries old, a plant whose blossom is the most free, most powerful nation ever to exist on the face of this planet.

The right to keep and bear arms is the tap root of this plant. All other rights were won at the point of a gun and will endure only at the point of a gun. Could they speak, millions upon millions of this world's dead souls would testify to this truth. Millions upon millions of the living can so testify today. Now - today - is a critical moment in our history.

Will we Americans passively lie down before a government grown disdainful of its best citizens? Or will we again declare:

WE are the government, government functions at our behest, and it may not rescind our sacred rights? Will we place our faith in public servants who behave like our masters? Or will we place our faith in the words and deeds of the daring, far-seeing men and women whose blood, sweat and tears brought forth this great nation?

Will we believe those who assure us that the police officer will shield us from the criminal? Or will we believe our eyes and ears, presented every day with news of our unarmed neighbors falling prey in their homes, on our streets, in our places of work and play?

Will we bow our heads to cowards and fools who will not learn and do not understand the lessons of human history? Or will we stand straight and assume the daily tasks and risks that liberty entails? Will we ignore even the lessons of this present era-which has seen the cruel oppression of millions on the continents of Europe, Asia, Africa and South America-and believe that the continent of North America is immune to such political disease? Or will we wisely accept the realities of this world wisely listen to and make use of the precautions provided by our ancestors?

Will we be deceived by shameless liars who say that disarmament equals safety, helplessness equals strength, and patriotism equals criminality? Or will we mark the words of our forefathers, who wrote in plain language: The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

Let us make known: We will choose the latter option in every case.

Legislators: Do your duty to your country. Uphold the Constitution as you swore to do. Do not shame yourselves by knocking loose the mighty keystone of this great republic - the right to bear arms.

Justices: Do your duty to your country. Examine the origins of our right to weaponry and uphold the letter and spirit of the Constitution.

Lawmen: Do your duty to your country. Do not be misguided and misused. Your task is to serve and to protect - not to oppress, to disarm and to make helpless your countrymen. To the blind, the ignorant, the apathetic, the safe and sheltered, these may seem to be concerns of another age. They are not. They are as vital as they ever have been through history. For times may change but human nature does not. And it is to protect forever against the evil in human nature that the Founding Fathers set aside certain rights as inviolable.

For these reasons we must now make known:

We will not passively take the path that leads to tyranny. We will not go down that road.
We Will Not Disarm.

reply to post by salamanda


You hit on a very important topic.

Why are Americans rights being stripped meanwhile being so adamant about gun laws?

Well they go hand in hand with those that are literally assembling and plotting to disarm us. Not to mention any names or any DHS....

They compiled a no fly list and have hijacked the airline industry after 9/11 because when you go to an airport, you are already unarmed. TSA aka DHS can then abduct you without reason indefinitely. And thats why we are losing are freedoms and this is HOW they are trying to enforce gun control.

reply to post by salamanda


Mossberg makes a great firearm, I'm a 590a1 guy myself. I enjoyed your post, but keep in mind when comparing your country to ours that the population of New York City is twice the population of your entire country. I wouldn't expect you to have the type of firearms related incidents that we have here.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


I personally would feel much better if only the Military, Blackwater, and the Mafia were armed. I would also feel much better if I were jammed in to a brick wall. It might be enlightening.

I feel like, after reading all these replies, I don't even have anything left to say on this subject. It's all been said. Personally, I've never been a fan of guns or any projectile weaponry really. But taking guns from Americans... can't see it. And after giving it some thought, I don't want to.

Seemingly, our government is taking a stance on guns that would lead to a fairly clear path. And that path does not appear to have our best interests at heart.

I think a person should always have the means available to defend themselves and things that are important and dear to them. Removing guns from that equation in this current (or really any that has existed up to now) world climate would be more than devastating to anyone who desires a sense of safety and/or a confidence in their ability to survive crazy situations where their lives were at risk at the hands of another human being.

Which, may in fact, be the desired effect...

reply to post by kerazeesicko

No it isn't a beautful world we live in.I evidently know more about it than you do if you think a piece of illegal legislation is going to disarm me.There still has to be at least a million trigger pullers who will support the fed. Perhaps you in your infinite wisdom will enlighten me as to who is coming.FBI,no they have limited capabilites. Homeland security?There are some disfunctional homeless people that would be able to hand them their butts.The marines aren't enough.maybe they can subdue California.But the moment they set foot in Arizona or Nevada they would be decimated.The AirForce taking orders to bomb in the States? Please, no they won't take the order.You want to know how that works well in the Army lines we have a process where illegal orders are given we ask the order to be repeated we then ask for written orders .If they are giving that kind of order they won't give you a hard copy.You then refuse to follow that order because YOU believe the order is a violation of Constutional law.I would kill any who would attempt to follow that order and be shot or imprisoned until such time as I would hang or be declared innocent or they would disappear me.
For having a warrior picture you'd think you knew what warriors honor means. Not to mention we fought for all these other countries at 20 ti1 victories ,per man on the average. We were restrained otherwise we would have won every war we fought in.
Now you are going to tell me a MOUT trained cop is going to go toe to toe with a former MACV SOG from Viet Nam.I can kill an M1 tank with stuff from a hardware store and my natural abilities to infiltrate.
We fight for the flag and citizens.not the Fed.NOBODY is beyond a bullet in this country.We have the skills to do that.we just don't because IT'S AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL.See the pattern here?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by bobs_uruncle

 

Don't forget to ban all catfish.

I could beat a child to death with a 25 pounder.

edit on 4-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

No, you can't ban catfish. Have you ever been "noodling" LOL, cause then you'll know why.

Cheers - Dave

We can end this whole thread right now.... Americans will never surrender their firearms. PERIOD!!!

OP, I just prayed for you.

second.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Wow... amazing... LOL this is simply amazing.. i just read a post from this site saying they were not a disinformation site. what else can i say. your facts are sound.. what about the other facts.. i don't see them.. is that because... oh wait.. im actually asking you to play fair LOL... my bad...

reply to post by lacrimaererum


so your bright idea is to weaken the United states even further so that the powers that be have more control over us right? Nice plan, lets hand them the world while we're at it! Maybe even our souls :O /sarcasm

Dont get me wrong, Im not a fan of weapons, but those statistics are average every year especially during gang related violence to which wouldn't exist if some unjust laws were not in place. I personally don't own a weapon, and probably never will unless it's a sword cause swords are cool.

Also keep in mind, should the military fail to protect the borders during an invasion, the last line of defense are the civilians. THIS is what makes the U.S so powerful. Alot of of U.S citizens and retired veterans owns a gun. Should china for example invade and overtake the military, they still have the police force, swats, and civilians to contend with. Not to mention the militia's spread across the country.

To take a gun away from citizens is to weaken the country even further. I do not agree to this. And never will unless every single human being in the entire world had their guns magicly disapear. Then and only then, when we all are united in peace and harmony, to the point where it wouldn't even require a passport to enter another country can I see this happening, and even THEN there is still a chance for threats from outer space. So no, it is a terrible idea.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


i dont think your quite right to say that all guns should be taken away people just need to be more traind in how to use and keep them and not give them to crazy people (although if u dont give them to actual crazy people the government will keep expanding the mental conditions on that list) just my 2c but i think its logical
(p.s im an auzzie so im no expert on guns or American gun control but our gun laws are pretty damn strict)

Here is the funny thing. We Americans think that these little guns can help fight the government...really? How are you gonna take down an m1 tank charging you with your little rifle, or how about an apache attack helicopter? These guns are useless and are only a tool of appeasement.

reply to post by salamanda

Far be it for me to 'preach' to any American about the merits or otherwise of their constitutional right to bare arms as they see fit, within the confines of the law (though why they so vehemently and vocally protect this particular constitutional right over any other is beyond me, yet they've been so deafeningly silent, apathetic even to the overt, brazen removal of nearly every other personal right, liberty and freedom this revered and hallowed document provided them as a people. It's just beyond me)...

You make a real strong point on that. For all the yelling people do about the 2nd (I'm among them), people do seem quite alright with watching all the others either wilt on the vine or get cropped right out by subsequent laws no one is complaining about too much. It's putting America is a position of our own making where the 2nd and the solution that implies becomes the only thing left by sheer neglect of everything else.

In many other parts of the western world (Norway and France being recent exceptions of course, but one of those religiously motivated and that's a whole other kind of mental instability and set of rules!) these kinds of events are aberrations. Can someone give me a rational, unemotional and reasonable explanation for this annomoly? I could summise, but I think my views on this particular point are pretty much self evident.

In talking about the school shootings, I have a suggestion of a reason. In other nations like Europe or your own there in NZ I don't think Sexuality is suppressed almost absurdly while violence and destruction is glorified in ever more graphic and intense ways. I think that is a good part of the difference..and it's everything combined. Not any one thing.

And why is having a handgun legally strapped to your hip such huge deal if there's really no 'Jessy James' or 'Cowboy' ego tripping going on here. Shouldn't longer barreled weapons be enough and consign pistols to scrap

I imagine that living in nations where brutal street crime and home invasions with Hollywood like violence levels are unheard of or confined to the movie rental store, it's hard to imagine why it's seen as so important to have the ability to conceal it. I also have a Moss 500a with a pistol grip. I agree, it is very nice to have.

However...if I hear a noise in the carport or a knock at the door at a time there really shouldn't be one...I can put my .45 under my shirt in the small of my back. If it's nothing, no one ever need know I picked up a gun at all. I can't quite do that with my shotgun, even with an 18" barrel. All the sudden, it isn't a reasonable thing if someone just knocked at a bad time...You're almost menacing (a crime) by having it in your hands. Hence.. Handguns have real good uses.

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Why are you Only telling one side of the story? What about all those law abiding citizens who stopped violent crime, saved peoples lives or thier own life with the use of thier personal gun?

Listen buddy.. a shock it may be to you but in my state and most states in the USA you do not have to resister a handgun or have a special permit to carry one.

You can own and openly carry a handgun in most states with no permit or registration.

When you take the guns away from the citizens only the criminals will carry guns - then I cant defend myself - No thank you.. why don't you just put a gun to my head now and pull the trigger - that's what will happen is they take away our guns.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


Admit it YOU are bothered by the way our leaders are acting too.That is why we have black guns and all the toys that go with them.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Here is the funny thing. We Americans think that these little guns can help fight the government...really? How are you gonna take down an m1 tank charging you with your little rifle, or how about an apache attack helicopter? These guns are useless and are only a tool of appeasement.

Not me!!!

Thats when I run away. Just being honest.
Tanks and helicopters don't win wars though, bullets do.