The Chemtrail Hoax, page 23

posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by triplehelix888
me and my friend watched at work today as the clear blue sky quickly filled with lower flying planes, soon turning the entire sky a white and gray haze, this is becoming extremely disgusting and we need to do something about it!!!!! inform people, hand out flyers, we need to wake people up guys comeon!!!!!

I agree, I'm doing everything I can to waken people up to the disgusting impact commercial airliners have on our skies

Severe outbreak of contrailitis over England

At the moment it's worse than ever here because there are more flights than usual as they catch up after the flight ban....

Aircraft should be banned - or made to fly at much lower altitudes!

Carson Dane

posted on May, 23 2010 @ 09:26 PM

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I've done a lot of environmental investigations. The chemtrailists aren't wrong that a problem exists and there are associated symptoms that affect people; they're just wrong about the technical mechanics of the delivery system!

The aircraft don't "spray" the chemicals. Instead, they cause organic and inorganic chemical pollutants already in the air to precipitate, and then "rain down" down upon people below.

Even toxic metals like chrome, nickel, and especially mercury - can go airborne. There are several desert areas in the northern hemisphere that get very hot and windy, sending aluminum, boron, barium, and such high into the sky. How these things get into the atmosphere is the real issue.

In the 1980's, high flying Air Force pilots first identified what they called "the Asian cloud" over India and China. Increased industrialization of those areas since then has made the global air pollution worse: search something like "global conveyor belt of mercury" to discover more details.

"Chemtrails" are because of a global air pollution problem in large part from lack of pollution controls in China and India; not because of government conspiracy.

crankyoldman

posted on May, 23 2010 @ 10:08 PM

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For what it is worth.

I have been observing this process for 15 years. It is happening. A given reason for the effort are poisoning the population. True, but not the real reason, this is added to cover things up. Another reason is weather control, true but not the real reason, again cover up. The key to the reason is the barium.

Barium as all of you know blocks radiation. After tracking the effort all this time the only constant on the days they spray and the days they don't - incoming radiation. I have determined the effort is simply an attempt to stop incoming solar and galactic radiation before it hits earth - Edward Teller proposed this very idea some time ago. This energy is important to our evolution, some don't want us to evolve and this is an attempt to slow down, or stop the process. It will fail but they must try. Think "sun" here, all secret societies and most religions worship it, and not its beauty, but its ability to influence us. If they can't get it to do what they want, they'll just block its influence.

They do it world wide, but the process is less about population centers per se, then a way to use some kind of geometry to effectively cover as many angles as possible, thereby preventing the energy from coming in to affect change.

The resources are huge but can be easily hidden, the financial mayhem that has been revealed recently was going on all along and no one really saw it either. Heck, GS cooked an entire countries books costing billions and billions and no one saw it. So the idea that something this massive can't be hidden is silly.

The way to "prove it" is easy. First, track all flights that are made in an area, they all have to be set up through the FAA, not randoms allowed. Follow the ones in major areas to see if their flight corresponds with the usual track - take note of the height of the plane. Planes that spray fly very very fast, wasting fuel - so they are unlikely commercial as to fly that fast would be foolish. Then track them on the radar, I have seen images that don't show spray planes. If the only plane to be flying over x axis y at three o clock has passed but two sprayers follow right behind you have a issue. If you want to know when they are coming, check spaceweather and look for incoming energy.

Notice how you feel when the don't spray and when the do. Difference? They are trying to stop our evolution, soon I suspect they'll come clean by saying they are stopping global warming and people will eat it up. There is an old story about the Annunaki using this method - gold particles mined from earth, to stop their evolution as well. It failed.

Goethe

posted on May, 24 2010 @ 11:22 AM

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jlmB70

posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Off_The_Street

You�ll see more contrails in the United States, of course, simply because we have more airline flights.

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And we see more of this chemtrail nonsense in the United States, of course, simply because we have more nut jobs!

ChemBreather

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:45 AM

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reply to post by Essan

They are still catching up around the world..
I wonder how long it will take to catch up ? Todays date : September 20th.

thereverenddoctor

posted on Nov, 8 2010 @ 08:50 PM

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reply to post by Off_The_Street

www.hinduonnet.com...
if you follow this link. you will see programs LIKE this have been going on for a while...
on BOTH sides there is an equal argument.. but I never underestimate THESE Governments....or are they Buisnesses now? I cant tell

larry619

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 08:08 AM

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www.youtube.com...

Posting video links - ALL MEMBERS PLEASE READ
* Link
* Description
* Review/Opinion

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weedwhacker

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 09:34 AM

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Pure hoax.

Written and produced by the people who want to keep this HOAX alive.

"A. C. Griffith" is one of the hoaxers (or else, incredibly stupid, for believing this nonsense).

BTW, the YouTube member who posted that, in the link? Nut case, obviously....ranting about "jesus"...

Finally, just the first few slides, in the presentation.....the first jet, A C-141 if I recall correctly....NORMAL contrails, forming from directly aft of each engine. Another slide? The interior shot, with barrels?? Constantly being (FALSELY) shown as "proof" of "chem"-trails!!!

Below, some shots of an Airbus A-380 undergoing flight testing. (Also commonly used by the hoaxers).

IN fact, you can see a portion of the one of the initial Customer Airline, on the people's yellow safety vests......Qantas. Representatives from the primary buyers participate in the flight testing evaluation processes.

GO TO this link, read the photo description:
www.airliners.net...

See there? That was aircraft "c/n 001". That means "contract number 1" First airframe. Built for Emirates Air, actually. IIRC.

More, for other customers:
www.airliners.net...

Here is another...read its description, too:
www.airliners.net...

Here is some of the monitoring equipment used, for the flight testing procedures:
www.airliners.net...

Those barrels DO contain a "chemical"....deadly Di-Hydrogen Monoxide. Here, a short video about that horrible, horrible chemical:

Petition to ban Di-Hydrogen Monoxide

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JarsCloutLife

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:23 AM

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Wow - lots of information from both sides of the fence in this thread.

All I can add is that I have seen normal contrails spread into complete cloud cover here in Frankfurt, Germany.

In addition, I recall as a young child in the 70's laying in the grass, looking up at the sky and watching aircraft create contrails, they had always dissipated after awhile. Currently they either dissipate like normal or spread into clouds.

I think that it is possible that due to changes in our atmosphere, under certain conditions these contrails are able to spread into a haze-like cloud cover. I will need to see more "proof" however, if I am to believe that this is in fact intentional. It defies logic.

weedwhacker

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:41 AM

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The MAIN difference, from the 1970s and now? The engines.

Please research into the:

Turbojet
Low-bypass Turbofan
High-bypass Turbofan

That is the order of technology development. The earliest "straight" turbojets, common mostly on fighters and only a few early commercial jets, produced all of their thrust from the exhaust gases. The pattern of the airflows, and the efficiency of the fuel burning process was very different.

And, they were gas-guzzlers.

Then, the Turbofan was developed....most iconic is the Pratt & Whitney JT-9D. Used on the Boeing 707, 727, and early 737. And the early DC-9. All (low bypass) designs. Their contrails were more common than from the straight turbojet engines, but still wouldn't always form cohesively. Only under a more narrow range of conditions would they persist for any time.

Larger jets, widebodies, as they were developed meant more powerful engine technology...and thus, the HIGH-bypass turbofan designs. The majority...anywhere form 80 to about 90% and more of the thrust comes from the huge fan, out in front...acts just like a multi-bladed propeller. In a shroud, which increases its efficiency.

These engines are very fuel efficient, and have different exhaust characteristics and final temperatures. (Cooler).

And, THAT is what makes the contrails formed by these engines much, much more prevalent, and longer lasting. In fact, in a way, it harkens back to the days of WWII, and the era before jets, the 1950s....with the BIG piston engines, and big propellers. The props produced a column of air that surrounded and enveloped the exhaust gases, much as the big turbofan fans do today. And, the exhaust temps of piston engines are lower than most early jet engines...but, the newer jets are closer, nowadays. ALL of these factors combine...to include the retirement of the older types of engines, AND the large increase in overall jet traffic as well.

Have you seen the examples from WWII? Was quite a problem for the Allies, late in the War, as they began daytime bombing raids into Axis territory. At night, contrails can't be seen...but daytime, they were terrible as they drew unwanted attention:

firepilot

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by thereverenddoctor
reply to post by Off_The_Street

www.hinduonnet.com...
if you follow this link. you will see programs LIKE this have been going on for a while...
on BOTH sides there is an equal argument.. but I never underestimate THESE Governments....or are they Buisnesses now? I cant tell

That article, is about trying to seed clouds to get more rainfall to come out. The article is not very accurate at all however, and the airplanes used in India to try to do this, are just twin engine Cessnas, and inside/under a growing cell. I did however laugh at the part about seeding at 18,000 meters altitude..hahaha

JarsCloutLife

posted on Feb, 6 2011 @ 03:07 PM

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reply to post by weedwhacker

Thanks for the info. What you say makes a lot of sense and sounds logical. As I said, I have a hard time believing that "they" are spraying chemicals on us. And my only observation / question was the prevailing contrails.

Thanks again.

Pervius

posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 12:33 PM

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If anyone has a hard time believing they are spraying toxins....

The B-2 sprays acid in it's exhaust so you can't see a contrail behind it.
The U-2 reconnaissance plane has antifreeze in it's jetfuel (JPTS) so it doesn't freeze at high altitude.

You breath in both of them daily. 2 verifiable poisons being sprayed into the atmosphere.

weedwhacker

posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 05:44 PM

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The U-2 reconnaissance plane has antifreeze in it's jetfuel (JPTS) so it doesn't freeze at high altitude.

Yes. And, even commercial Jet-A and Jet-A1 has the antifreeze, and an anti-static product, too. Of course, ALL of that has to go through combustion....at temperatures that can be as high as 3,000 degrees F.

Merely stating that the fuel "has additives" needs a bit more detail, though....doesn't it? Like, how much in parts per million? For instance.

I did all the math, in another thread post. Somewhere. Last month.

If I remember, the figure I got for the amount of fuel that would be used by a typical two-engined jet, on a six-hour cross country flight, then calculating the quantities, per volume and weight, of the anti-static agent that is added....even IF the agent wasn't destroyed in the heat of burning the fuel....the total amount OF that agent worked out to about 64 grams....for the entire six hours.....(or, 64 grams per hour...can't remember exactly). Either way, that is VERY small....(deep sighing breath)....guess I'll try to find that old post......

firepilot

posted on Feb, 12 2011 @ 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by Pervius
If anyone has a hard time believing they are spraying toxins....

The B-2 sprays acid in it's exhaust so you can't see a contrail behind it.
The U-2 reconnaissance plane has antifreeze in it's jetfuel (JPTS) so it doesn't freeze at high altitude.

You breath in both of them daily. 2 verifiable poisons being sprayed into the atmosphere.

Fine, except for the fact that the fuel additive that the B-2 uses, was stopped for being too corrosive, and the altitudes that the U-2 flies at, are actually warmer than at the altitudes of airliners

santjime

posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 12:09 AM

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THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! SOOO finally someone tested the particles in chemtrails, it was done by a news place in arkansa, there were HIGH levels of arsenic and barium found in it!!!! I used to not believe in chemtrails, until now.. OMG what do we do???
go to 4:00 of the video and ull see
www.youtube.com...=241

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weedwhacker

posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:15 AM

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Already known....and is FALSE!

stavis

posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:22 AM

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This is so crazy and is everything BUT a hoax!

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santjime

posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 02:13 PM

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why do you say that it is false? couldnt you go up in a plane and get a sample for yourself with a group of scientist and test it that way as well???!

here is the webpage on ksla news website. . . not a hoax to me
www.ksla.com...

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