The Chemtrail Hoax

Im so tired of people who don't believe chemtrails are real.
It mostly comes from ignorant people who don't look above their heads when they go outside.

Anyone who lives in the Livermore California area can tell you that we have UAV's flying almost nightly over head, the big triangle ones, and we have skies filled with fake clouds made by planes spraying who knows what over our heads.

The planes are spraying chemicals or powders out into the sky and that is a fact. No one can factually prove that they aren't.
All one has to do to prove it , is to get out the camcorder and film one bright sunny day, until it becomes a smoggy, chalky day over head.
It's here and it's real. It's almost about time for those patriots amongst us to take an offensive approach to matters.
The problem is, too many ignorant morons like those in here who do not believe that chemtrails are real. There are too many who think the government has their best interests at hand and they can not accept reality. Reality is, we are all doomed. The power of money is too strong and the government here only cares about that money.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Originally posted by billybob
even if it's NOT true, it describes a plausible scenario. happy NWO! the leader is good! all hail the leader!

I love you guys. Never let the truth get in the way of a good fantasy. I'll tell you what "even if not true" means; it means that the story is worthless. In fact it is worse than worthless as it is a blatent lie told by someone in an attempt to get us to believe a load of paranoid rubbish.

It would seem like paraniod rubish to me too if I hadnt had the experiences with this issue in the real world. I dont blame you for feeling this way.

I did not come on this board to try and get people to believe there is a conspiracy with aircraft burning something other that JP8. I came here because it has become frustrating to witness something the general non aviation public does not and will never understand. It is a release valve for my frustration, or at least I thought it would be. Instead it has become frustrating in itself to try and get this out of my system.

I am not some paraniod cook wearing an aluminum foil hat that does not understand contrails. The last 2 weeks there has not been a heavy jet in the sky where I live. It is like this every year, huge activity for periods at a time, then nothing. We do not have jet traffic from heavies in this area, it is all civillian, military of business. No comercial traffic. The time it happens are mid-summer, fall, winter and spring. Those time the sky is filled, you should see it. Five heavies flying abreast way to close to each other. Then the sky fills with these wispy cirrus clouds that look nothing like cirrus clouds used to look. Then full overcast, the trails last for about 12 hours everyday.

You would have to live in my area to really see the difference. Sorry for the mini diutribe but it is frustrating.

No hard feelings, and regards. Code 3

[edit on 18-4-2005 by Code 3]

Im so tired of people who don't believe chemtrails are real.

You think you're tired?! Every time I find some twat who thinks they know everything about anything (chemtrail'ists), my eyes glaze over and before I know it 12 hours have passed and Ive got keyboard imprints on my face!

I think I start foaming too, not sure.

Anyone who lives in the Livermore California area can tell you that we have UAV's flying almost nightly over head, the big triangle ones

And that has to do with anything because oooooof....

The planes are spraying chemicals or powders out into the sky and that is a fact. No one can factually prove that they aren't.

Wow, amazing when FACTS fit into either/or catagories...

Since you seem soooooo convinced noone can possibly "factually prove" that contrails aren't anything but contrails, how about you "factually prove" that they are?

They are "facts" arent they? You should be able to "factually prove" them, right?

There are too many who think the government has their best interests at hand and they can not accept reality.

Maybe you should read some of the other posts by people such as myself and others who do not believe in chemtrails... we arent exactly nationalistic anteaters.

Please go back to class. Your American History grades are slipping....

And Code 3...
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.... nevermind.



BOOYAH

Damn, APC, I was all set to post this, when I had to answer the phone, and you beat me to it.

Originally posted by Elgringoloco
Im so tired of people who don't believe chemtrails are real.
It mostly comes from ignorant people who don't look above their heads when they go outside.

Clouds persist.

Contrails are made of the same things as clouds.

Therefore, contrails can persist.

What part of that don't you understand?

Originally posted by Elgringoloco
The planes are spraying chemicals or powders out into the sky and that is a fact. No one can factually prove that they aren't.

No one can prove that I'm not the lost Dauphin of France, either. So What?

It' is not up to me to prove a negative, an impossibility, anyway. It is up to you to prove that they exist.

Originally posted by Elgringoloco
All one has to do to prove it , is to get out the camcorder and film one bright sunny day, until it becomes a smoggy, chalky day over head.
It's here and it's real.

That is your proof?

That is nothing. I can take pictures of clouds all day, it means nothing.

Originally posted by Elgringoloco
It's almost about time for those patriots amongst us to take an offensive approach to matters.

Be careful, some people have gotten into trouble with statements like that.
I know you don't mean anything by it, but a statement like that is like joking that you have a "8 inch cannon in your pants" at the security checkpoint at the airport. Some people might construe it as a threat.

So, Code 3, what is "supersaturation with respect to ice?" and how does it affect the formation and persistence of clouds and contrails?

Please go back to class. Your American History grades are slipping....

And Code 3...
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.... nevermind.



BOOYAH

Dont say something like BOOYAH and try to make a snide remark about the new poster being in high school, booyhah is something that high schoolers and college student say. You are not only an analistic drunken idiot, you are becoming quite boring in a very geeky nerdy kind of way.

So BOOYAH baby.... *walks away shaking off the creepy feeling apc gives off*

So, Code 3, what is "supersaturation with respect to ice?" and how does it affect the formation and persistence of clouds and contrails?

Howard stop googling everything its getting kind of dismal. You posts are down right arid and your personality is as bland as skimed milk. Now go away you dork! Now someone get me a towel I need to wipe off my hands after dealing with the dorksquad.

P.S. At subfreezing temperatures, supersaturation with respect to ice occurs at lower relative humidities than supersaturation with respect to water. blah blah blah I took weather in high scholl peabrain.

I think they have American History classes in middle school too there capt'n.
Pretty sure most colleges offer the course as well.

Thank you for that compliment by the way. I'm quite proud of my insane geek prowess.

I may be boring, but atleast I'm not... well... dumb.

BOOYAH

Now that you have elightened yourself into the workings of our great sponge of an atmosphere, you should try applying this knowledge (if you really do understand it) to your thoughts on the lines in the sky? hmm?

>still kinda giggling at this:

I took weather in high scholl peabrain.

Wish my scholl had that class... I bet it was neat. What with the rain and the clouds...

And Code 3, Im still waiting on some clarification on whether it's fuel additives or aerosol spray. You have so far said it is both. Is it both?


[edit on 18-4-2005 by apc]

Originally posted by Code 3
I took weather in high scholl peabrain.

Wow, you went to Peabrain High? We kicked your ass in football.

It is amazing to think that that a graduate of Peabrain High knows as much or even more about weather as all of those scientists studying contrails and cirrus formation in the upper atmosphere. Maybe they are all scamming for grant money.

Wish my scholl had that class... I bet it was neat. What with the rain and the clouds...

And Code 3, Im still waiting on some clarification on whether it's fuel additives or aerosol spray. You have so far said it is both. Is it both?

You have the nerve to call me dumb, for one thing dumb is not the word you stupid abtuse fool.

Then you poke fun at a typo? OMG what an idiot. You then admit again at your inabilty to put 2+2 together by bringing up the aerosol. What did you think I meant you chuckle-head a pressurized propellent can? What happens when something is atomized? It is called aerosol, like as in the fuel additives were atomized by the exhaust nozle of the jet engine and that is aerosol.

Dont be proud of a total lack of personality, and dont EVER call someone dumb as in the person cannot speak because he/she has not any vocal chords, that is dumb. You can at least use the laguage properly if you are trying to put someone down. Call me stupid you little wormy freak, dont call me dumb after all I can definatly speak.

Play nice people. I thought I was at a israeli checkpoint for a minute there. I was scared someone was going to get shot.

Anyway, I seen some of these cloud creators the other day (not really, just need it for the story). I scrambled two F-16s to pick up samples of the c'trail. We are currently analyzing the samples at my scientific laboratory.

Ok, well that didn't happen. So in reality I have no way whatsoever to know either way. You people and your 18 pages of mootness are about to kill me. My mind is dizzy from the circular momentum of the arguments presented. I need to rest in the political forum just to get some firm mental footing.

Until someone can take a sample of an alleged c'trail from an alleged jet in the alleged sky, I can't see how any determination can be made on construct of said alleged c'trail.

[edit on 4-18-2005 by ShadowHasNoSource]

code 3, don't let them inspire your ire to fire! i have been arguing with howard for, like, YEARS! he's okay for an evil disinformationlist. but, don't worry, he's just doing it for the sake of philanthropy. he wants to (re)educate the un(brain)washed masses.

it's that combed out look of the trails that is different from the contrails i remember, from before say, around the time of the 1998(666 X 3) complete takeover/institution of the NWO(or was it september eleventh, 1991, when bush senior made his infamous new world order sppech, eleven yrs before 2001?).
have you seen the folded up twenty dollar bill that shows the twin towers burning? it was minted in 1998.

what's going on with consensus reality is bigger than the big smoke in the sky that they're trying to blow up our arses.

my brother is an avionics guy. i talked to him back in october of 2001, and asked him if there were all kinds of black helicopters around on september eleventh. he said, he did see them, LOTS of them, and the whole day had an eerie feeling to it. i told him about randy weaver, and the 'urban assault' exercises that were perpetrated against smalltown u.s.a. he was freaked, because he, an aircraft mechanic, had never seen these helicopters. he doesn't freak easily.

p.s. some of my best friends are firemen .

[edit on 19-4-2005 by billybob]

Wheeee boards back up!
Ok...
Because this is really enjoyable... I must thank you again Code 3 for clarifying what I said in my last post.

I am very happy I can speak.

dictionary.reference.com...

Btw, before you crawled into your hole I asked you a few questions concerning your claims.. you never answered. Mind reviewing those posts and commenting?

And you know billybob, this is REALLY cool.. 3 occurances of combinations of 3 and 666, focusing on the year 1998. The obvious (thank you) 666 x 3 = 1998. The second, the USA was 222 years old in 1998 (1776... july 4th, you know...)... 222 x 3 = 666. And the grand finale, I read 'one time' that the solar system takes ~6668 years to complete one cycle (all the planets rotating around the sun and returning back to the exact same position at any given time). Many orthodox catholic bibles dictate that the Earth was created around 4004 BC. -4004 + 6668 - 666 = 1998. OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS GONNA END IN 1998 !!!!



[edit on 20-4-2005 by apc]

apc this is really not in my character to go back and forth slaming people. I live for saving lives not putting others down. Shame on me for allowing you to lower my standards to such a dismal level. It wont happen again no matter what you try and do or say.

The world can be either beautiful, or really ugly depending on your outlook. I see people perform miracles all the time, stepping out beyond what you could imagine just to save a life. That my friend is a beautiful thing.

My advice to you is to seek this out and ascend to a higher level. I am sure you being an electronics guy have walked to far away from the spiritual portion of mankind. It is a more powerful than anything technology has created and if you can tap into this more you will understand much more than your limitations has let you percieve so far.

Good luck on you journey in your life and may you find that inner strength that will allow you to ascend to a higher plain. We are more than just animals barking at each other, I hope you will find this out one day.

Regards

HAHAHAH.

I lowered your standards??

YOU were the one whos first words in this thread were an insult and attack on the character of another member.

But oh well, enjoy your "revelation" as a nice and comfy full-retreat from a debate. You're high on chemtrail dust, anyway. Peace, maaan.

I love these chemtrail threads, but really APC, Howard Roark, Off The Streets, as much as I love seeing you and others tear the chemtrail arguments into weeping shreds, I propose a new idea.

One of you should start a thread called, oh say,

Chemtrails. No, Debate, No Proof, Just General Chemtrail Discussion.

or

Chemtrails Proof Only.

Then once you make the thread just let the pro-chemtrailers have some fun, and stop bothering them with your crazy "science."




[edit on 21-4-2005 by LeftBehind]

[edit on 21-4-2005 by LeftBehind]

Originally posted by apc
And you know billybob, this is REALLY cool.. 3 occurances of combinations of 3 and 666, focusing on the year 1998. The obvious (thank you) 666 x 3 = 1998. The second, the USA was 222 years old in 1998 (1776... july 4th, you know...)... 222 x 3 = 666. And the grand finale, I read 'one time' that the solar system takes ~6668 years to complete one cycle (all the planets rotating around the sun and returning back to the exact same position at any given time). Many orthodox catholic bibles dictate that the Earth was created around 4004 BC. -4004 + 6668 - 666 = 1998. OH MY GOD THE WORLD IS GONNA END IN 1998 !!!!



[edit on 20-4-2005 by apc]

july 5th, 1998. subgenius lore. j.r. "bob" dobbs will come and rescue the subgenii with saucers. all the pinks will destroy themselves.

how about 1776, then? 888 x 2, or 444 X 4.
did you know the cn tower in toronto has 1776 steps? neat, eh? i read something about the twin towers being 1776 ft. tall(maybe the proposed design?). illuminati registered trademarks.

'holy base six resonance' is the first thread i started when i came to play with the kiddies at ATS conspiracy kindergarten. you know what's funny, is that i inadvertently built plausible deniability right into the title of the thread, as byrd so kindly pointed out. it's not base six. it's the number six.

oh yeah, this is a 'chemtrails' thread, so i should say chemtrails at least once. twice. chemtrails, chemtrails, chemtrails, chemtrails. that's six. six billowy chemtrails, blotting out the sun.

The reason this thread has exhausted itself it that there is no such thing as chemtrails, therefore nothing more to talk about.

Code 3 - what was it you said you did for a living again? You might want to mention it one more time.

Originally posted by apc
HAHAHAH.

I lowered your standards??

YOU were the one whos first words in this thread were an insult and attack on the character of another member.

But oh well, enjoy your "revelation" as a nice and comfy full-retreat from a debate. You're high on chemtrail dust, anyway. Peace, maaan.

I really love the way you guys try and twist everything, it was you who first attacked me. I never attack first, it is against my morals.

Im fairly drunk at the moment, thus my reasoning for venturing into these threads in the first place ... buuuuuut
My mind is not closed to new ideas.. it is closed to sheer and utter stupidity.
I have seen the sky full of thick dark contrails that lasted for hours.. seen the same sky become overcast with thick disgusting clouds.. and didn't freak out and start imagining nonexistant physical symptoms (or maybe the tingling of the skin isn't so nonexistant, but merely the result of a rather large brain malformation).
Why did I think nothing of this? Because I knew that for the contrails to last so long and be so dense, the air must already be very saturated. Why did I think nothing of the succeeding cloud layer? Because for the air to be so dense with moisture, it was obvious that a pressure system was at work and the moisture was soon to be condensing.
Do I ever ponder the contrails I see when I first wake up in the morning? No... there's no reason contrails wouldn't form when the Sun is down. Why wouldn't they?
As a testament to the nievity of the gullible, I have yet to see a single response to the argument I have put forth about the same planes crisscrossing the sky with trails... it would seem that when a fool reads something that actually makes sense, they choose to ignore it. This seems to be the widespread doctrine for every bit of clear and definitive evidence that the "chemtrail" idea is total nonsense, as it has been ignored and dropped by those who wish not to see it.

Oh, and
quote: The burden of proof lies in your hands.

ERRRRRRRRRR.

Last I checked when you are trying to disprove what is already accepted as fact, YOU must provide the evidence, the proof, the incontrovertible reality of your beliefs.

And for the record, I am a mechanical engineer with a focus in electrical engineering. If you live in the US, chances are good that fairly regularly and without even giving it a second thought, you use a product that I designed and built.

... Do I get anything free with my test drive?

So please leave the spin to the politicians.

Originally posted by Code 3
I really love the way you guys try and twist everything, it was you who first attacked me. I never attack first, it is against my morals.

The very first words on your very first post in this thread.

Originally posted by Code 3
I really dont understand why Off_The_Street is even on this forum, or how he has so much time to dispute so many posts...

From your second post:

Originally posted by Code 3
The biggest difference between Contrails and aerosol spraying there Einsien is that Contrails evaporate, after a period of time.

. . .

I feel like I am in a night of the living dead movie...

From your third post:

Originally posted by Code 3

In other words, Einstein, why do you believe that is it that it is ok for cirrus clouds to persist, but not for contrails.

Yes to all of the above, you seem to have quite a problem with perception dont you Howard.

Also, Howard you dont know what you are talking about!

From your forth post:

Originally posted by Code 3
I love it when people like you take the time to quote someone post like you just did!

FathLukeDuke

You missed evey point I made you are truely oneof the sheep that needs to be taken by the nose and get it rubbed in it over and over and you still wont get it.

You have no moral value in your life, no spirituality left inside you are like a computer program.

. . .
You have nothing to offer me but white noise, so the fact that I will never again answer your posts is that I have placed you on ignore.

Hmmm, Does anyone else see a pattern here?

Kind of makes you get the screaming meamies dealing with you guys. How is stating that I dont understand why OTS is on these forums because he only seems to debunk an insult?

Everything after that is because you HowardRoark, apc, and FatherLukeDuke took turns attacking me. I get attacked I attack back. I am not going to just lay there and take it like some whipped dog.

I dont like the feeling it gives me arguing with you guys, I really need to stop answering your posts, it is this reason and this reason only why you guys were the only people at any forum I have ever joined that I put on ignore.

Then when I did get tired of he said she said around and around and around, and finally put you on ignore you spun it sio it looked like I didnt want to debate real issues.

It has to do with getting to many lies from media, the government and corporate America that EVERYONE with any sense of reality is sick of. Then I come here and you three use the same exact tactics.

Stop doing that please. I am not going to answer your posts anymore, I know you will twist everything I said so if I do not answer it is because I want to stop getting frustrated with going around in circles. Dont you?