We need a one world government, whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by muse7

A new system where everyone would have the same rights, same opportunity and their opinion would count the same as the opinion of someone across the globe.

maybe we should drop this multi-cult fantasy land BS and actually try to appreciate our differences. Once we can do that, then we can talk about a global society. as of right now their is few leaders that actually honor the will of their constituents anywhere in the world.

people of the planet need to be encouraged to celebrate their cultural identities and be able to have control of their resources and own destiny. but right now we live in a world where we are told to live together all lovey-dovey while a small minority has their fingers on the pulse of this planet. we are soooo not ready for what you want.

We would need to suffer an extinction level event, and survive it mostly intact by the skin of our teeth before we as a species would be mature enough to form a proper planetary government.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

The way I see it we need a combination of a)population size control and b)settle on other planets.

I don't think the earth has the necessary resources to sustain humans and animals for perpetuity.

Not to mention the materialistic and financial drive to exploit as many natural resources as possible is making companies take one short cut after another and officials looking the other way for their own reasons. Money is essentialy a paper medium of bartering backed by government: it can be reproduced! What cannot easily be reproduced are the NATURAL RESOURCES and the devastion of wildlife caused by pollution.

The only way to suceed is through correct knowledge and team effort. The ptb seem to have a superiority complex in this regard in that they don't trust open debate with politicians and the people. Too many things remain classified that should not be.

The technology must exist for us to at least be partially off some resources like oil, but that would be giving humanity too much slack. As you say, they have a superiority complex and try to keep us all in the dark by classifying all of this. Equality doesn't exist in the heart of selfish people, and it's unfortunate that they are the ones pulling the strings. It's no wonder things seem ugly right now, but I think pockets of humanity are starting to notice the strings. Well, I'm hoping.

For anything worthwhile to happen, it's going to have to start with our mentality and what's in our hearts.

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
reply to post by SilentThundersGF

 

you radical free spirits you will rebel just for the sake of rebelling even in a "utopia", look at the big picture how will you end all world conflicts without a one world government overseeing everything......... just not with the current world leaders, TRUTH must be LAW, erase all borders, no taxes, no wars etc Text

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edit on 17-3-2012 by gaurdian2012 because: extended thoughts

Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorns, Mr. Wright, Hydrogen Barakcide.......brilliant dude.....

Originally posted by muse7
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I do not need anyone to "educate" me. I don't think the current system is working, and I feel we need to come up with a new one.

A new system where everyone would have the same rights, same opportunity and their opinion would count the same as the opinion of someone across the globe.

This is not about taking your "rights" away, this is about coming up with a new system where everyone would get the same rights.

You need to educate YOURSELF. This plan you call "new" is not "new" at all...

I just proved that the elites of the UN want to establish a socialistic One World Government just like you want...

Want to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes, and how far back this idea has existed?...

THE MARBURG PLAN

The Marburg Plan, financed by Andrew Carnegie's ample heritage, was produced in the early years of the twentieth century. It suggests premeditation for this kind of superficial schizophrenia, which in fact masks an integrated program of power acquisition: "What then if Carnegie and his unlimited wealth, the international financiers and the Socialists could be organized in a movement to compel the formation of a league to enforce peace."

The governments of the world, according to the Marburg Plan, were to be socialized while the ultimate power would remain in the hands of the international financiers "[size=]to control its councils and enforce peace (and so) provide a specific for all the political ills of mankind."
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p16
Both the extreme right and the extreme left of the conventional political spectrum are absolutely collectivist. The national socialist (for example, the fascist) and the international socialist (for example, the Communist) both recommend totalitarian politico-economic systems based on naked, unfettered political power and individual coercion. Both systems require monopoly control of society. While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of J. P. Morgan and J. D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood that the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to "go political" and make society go to work for the monopolists - under the name of the public good and the public interest.
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p16
One barrier to mature understanding of recent history is the notion that all capitalists are the bitter and unswerving enemies of all Marxists and socialists. This erroneous idea originated with Karl Marx and was undoubtedly useful to his purposes. In fact, the idea is nonsense. There has been a continuing, albeit concealed, alliance between international political capitalists and international revolutionary socialists - to their mutual benefit. This alliance has gone unobserved largely because historians-with a few notable exceptions - have an unconscious Marxian bias and are thus locked into the impossibility of any such alliance existing. The open-minded reader should bear two clues in mind: monopoly capitalists are the bitter enemies of laissez-faire entrepreneurs; and, given the weaknesses of socialist central planning, the totalitarian socialist state is a perfect captive market for monopoly capitalists, if an alliance can be made with the socialist powerbrokers.
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www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

reformed-theology.org...

reply to post by muse7
I absolutely agree and have preached this most of my life. Of course no one wants a "One World Tyranny" but we could start with an International Peace Treaty and then have ever country agree to an International Constitution. International courts are already in place. We need an International Bill of Rights, and that means equality for all people, regardless of race, gender, sexual preference, religion, creed, or philosophy. Other people call this "government." I call it "Nonarchy" because it would be a government truly of the people and of the individual. Where every individual is free, everyone has a voice, everyone has a vote, and every "law" which causes inequality, whether it is some religious law which says a Muslim must hate an "infidel" or Jew, or some odd dietary restriction, or any other law which would force others to bow to it, rather than WANT to uphold it, would slowly be eradicated. And I agree the time is now to start such a process.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
I am arguing on the side of "the new, planetary social order". Nobody is saying you will lose your personal sovereignty! Nobody said that in this thread: except the fear mongers.

Personal sovereignty will be enhanced. The country you were born in will still be the same country. The flags will stay the same. You won't be forced to speak Esperanto!

We will still elect the local, state, national officials. But the main difference is we also elect resource councils around all aspects of the global economy. This new "body" when fully formed constitutes the apparatus of the demos. This happens to also be the participatory democratic regulation of the economy that we have been waiting for. Technology on a planetary design. There will be no bankers because we won't need them.

The systems we have now are out of balance. This new "body" of democracy is perfectly designed to re-balance the equations of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

A 'new' 'one' 'world' is not a complete dismantling of the 'old' -- this is a planetary scale social revolution re-ordering all structures of government and the rules of resource distribution (The Game).

The Game is changing.

You have this all too far figured out for my comfort...

I care to ask some questions of you then since you have this all so figured out on how it would work...

-As a SOVEREIGN individual what happens when I tell you and your world government to suck wind?
-As a SOVEREIGN individual what happens when I refuse to acknowledge the state and its authority over anything?
-As a SOVEREIGN individual what happens when I live off the land and live a completely independent and self sufficient life? Will I be left alone? Or will someone come and kidnap me and hold me for ransom if I chose not to participate in this global social experiment?
-As a SOVEREIGN individual what happens when I refuse to acknowledge the concepts of control, authority, and power all together??
-As a SOVEREIGN individual...WTF do I OWE YOU!!! OR ANYONE?!?!? not...a...gdm...thing....

The ONLY thing I OWE humanity...is to take care of myself and my family without exploiting anyone else...its really very simple. If everyone lived by this very simple principal, each and every individual would be as free as they allow themselves to be.

I hope you answer my questions so I can pick apart your reply and show your true colors...

And from what former communist officials have said, and have tried to warn us for decades...

More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

.................
The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."

Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States. The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.

www.umd.umich.edu...

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by muse7

 

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Truly though, I would love a benevolent one world government just like Roddenberry's vision of starfleet.
However, the UN has proven to be most deadly to anyone who has resources or who will not bow down.
So, if we have not achieved world peace, how could we ever have a one world government?
That is putting the horse before the cart, show me 100 years of world peace, then we can reconsider this nwo.
Until then, the thought is silly at the very least.

edit on 17-3-2012 by g146541 because: All I ever needed to know I learned from Star Trek.

I also agree with this poster, we need to develop are leaders and then implement the structure of a united world representation. We can't hand over power to the same folks that have been there or the ones under them we need the seeds to be planted at our collages NOW so that these people can grow with the fundamental difference that our leadership lacks. I believe we have done this before, if we are talking about it or even thinking it , then it has already happened somewhere in time. Good post S&F for making people talk about this , being engaged in such conversations within itself does a lot more then we perceive.

For those that mention the UN has been a failure I think the reason for this is the security council. Why not do away with this and just keep the general assembly? A simple majority vote wins the day. No need for a unanimous in the security council with america and israel voting one way and russia and china voting the other way.

The whole thing looks like a rehearsed play with world war 3 imminent. The military-industrial complex of each big nation plus religious differences in the unholy land is the backdrop. I don't know how many people see this but I can.

Straight up in your face, I tell you religion is bs. Religion should be based on alien influence through the ages. This is the truth and why we don't get alien disclosure. They want to depopulate this cursed planet with one more huge satanic ritual.

There is no socialism in this!!

reply to post by muse7


I'm not opposed to having a one world government HOWEVER I am opposed to having a one world government run by people or creatures with very oppressive and malevolent intentions for humanity.
We're not on a spiritual level where we could yet be able to implement a one world government ... we can't even get along with people of other religions and skin color! I agree with having a resource based economy and if you haven't heard of it, research 'Zeitgeist Movement' and 'Venus Project'

reply to post by muse7


We can come together as one, alright. You just put your flippin' guns down first. "Government" is code for "You will do as we say or we will use our weapons against you".

I fired my Government. Anarchichal Egalitarianism is the only way you're going to get me to participate in a "coming together as one" scenario. No man has the means or my permission to be my representative. I require no representative, as I enjoy remedy and recourse straight from the Infinite Creator of Everything.

No man or social prosthesis of man has the authority to compel or forbid any action on my part. That's slavery, no matter what color you want to paint it. I will live with the logical and necessary consequences for my actions, thank you very much.

I think your intentions are good however I feel like you may be ignorant of these concepts. Sounds like the "law of one" mixed in with a horrible, horrible idea. Of course we need equality but the bending over for the NWO is most definitely not the way. I wish I was on a computer and not a cell phone to further explain. Either way, toodles

Originally posted by muse7
Because that is the only way we will come together.

The U.N. has limited power and has done a poor job. We need a one world government where laws would apply to every citizen of the world, and where a person living in Canada has the same rights as a mother living in the poorest country in Africa.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we should have children starving to death because they cannot get even one meal a day, and then in another country we have billionaires just amassing wealth.

It just amazes me how there are a lot of people that are afraid of change. we do not need to isolate ourselves from each other. We need to come together as one. We need radical change. We do not need 200+ countries not agreeing with each other and going to war for stupid reasons. What we need is a global form of government, where the power will not go to a single person. But where the power will be divided and every corner of the world will have an opinion.

We need big change and we need it fast, our current system has failed for too long. So far the only things that it has given us are wars, inequality, and famine.

When someone brings up the term "One World Government" most people go into a defensive state of mind because that's what they have been conditioned to think.

Don't you get it? You think that you know what TPTB want..you probably think that they want us to bring us all together and to put us under their rule. But to me that makes little sense.

Think about it, if they unite us under their "new world order" thing then that will give most of the population an "us against them" mentality where the probability of an uprising would be high.

But if they keep us separated by promoting inequality, and by keeping the current system then we would be falling in their trap. I mean we already have the TSA, everyday it seems we are at bring of war with some country. Israel seems like it wants to attack iran almost every week etc..

We need to bring about this change as soon as possible before it's too late.

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by g146541

 

You said the words "I" "My" and "Me" at least 6 times

Seriously, stop only thinking about yourself for a bit and for once think about the rest of the world.

You know what happens when the One Infinite Creator stops thinking about itself? EVERYTHING DISAPPEARS INTO NOTHINGNESS. Since we are all subharmonics of that being, and little infinities in ourselves, WHY do so many people like to invoke altruism as if it's a virtue? My answer is this: if you are busy thinking about other people and what they want, those who duped you into that foolish line of thinking get to have their way with your energy. IOW, they get to f*** you in the a** or suck you dry, whichever they see fit.

No, thanks. I've had enough of that for one lifetime.

I, I, I. Me, Me, Me. My and Mine.

reply to post by seamus


But - how can you be One of the "whole". And only you matter?

I do get the "I" - "ME" - "MINE" - - - but not at the exclusion of the "whole".

Everyone must be fed and housed. and most importantly, everyone must be loved.

MUST! LOVE!

Originally posted by seamus

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by g146541

 

You said the words "I" "My" and "Me" at least 6 times

Seriously, stop only thinking about yourself for a bit and for once think about the rest of the world.

You know what happens when the One Infinite Creator stops thinking about itself? EVERYTHING DISAPPEARS INTO NOTHINGNESS. Since we are all subharmonics of that being, and little infinities in ourselves, WHY do so many people like to invoke altruism as if it's a virtue? My answer is this: if you are busy thinking about other people and what they want, those who duped you into that foolish line of thinking get to have their way with your energy. IOW, they get to f*** you in the a** or suck you dry, whichever they see fit.

No, thanks. I've had enough of that for one lifetime.

I, I, I. Me, Me, Me. My and Mine.

someone failed their test. You're supposed to keep giving, even if people don't appreciate it. the thing is people did appreciate your giving, even if you didn't realize it. Even if you gave so very little.

I've always been a globalist, but not a NWO one, it would need to be run grass roots, councils of citizens, half women and half men, ordinary people, high education, with those who are corrupt, easily removed, and no fascist, corporate rules and laws, and NO corporate flags over the court houses. No theorcracies, no religious courts, no Sharia, no mistreatment of women and children!!! I would almost prefer that being done Jury Duty, everyone serves in shifts. But that would only work in an advanced educated world, so in the meantime, better systems, with huge councils of watchdog citizens with teeth, might be a good interim.

No capital punishment, no corporal punishment, stop HURTING PEOPLE. ONlLY HEALING!!!!

The laws that are rampant including for control of the seeds of the earth, all of that GONE, as its criminal to think you can own and boss people, who are not raping and murdering you, if they're not, then you cannot prohibit them.

And councils of citizens all the way up. Ie, no black ops, no cia, no para military over our heads, no covert operations.

But international Equality, free education, health care, dentistry, land and homes. No slavery allowed. All patents belong to ALL THE PEOPLE.

Otherwise Not A Chance!

And all the documents seized and scanned for the signatures so that house arrests can be made on all of the elite for their crimes against humanity.

Originally posted by On the Edge

Communism itself sounds good in theory,but there's a reason why it won't succeed,and that reason is human nature,imo.

As does pure capitalism, IMO.

Originally posted by muse7
Because that is the only way we will come together.

The U.N. has limited power and has done a poor job. We need a one world government where laws would apply to every citizen of the world, and where a person living in Canada has the same rights as a mother living in the poorest country in Africa.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we should have children starving to death because they cannot get even one meal a day, and then in another country we have billionaires just amassing wealth.

It just amazes me how there are a lot of people that are afraid of change. we do not need to isolate ourselves from each other. We need to come together as one. We need radical change. We do not need 200+ countries not agreeing with each other and going to war for stupid reasons. What we need is a global form of government, where the power will not go to a single person. But where the power will be divided and every corner of the world will have an opinion.

We need big change and we need it fast, our current system has failed for too long. So far the only things that it has given us are wars, inequality, and famine.

When someone brings up the term "One World Government" most people go into a defensive state of mind because that's what they have been conditioned to think.

Don't you get it? You think that you know what TPTB want..you probably think that they want us to bring us all together and to put us under their rule. But to me that makes little sense.

Think about it, if they unite us under their "new world order" thing then that will give most of the population an "us against them" mentality where the probability of an uprising would be high.

But if they keep us separated by promoting inequality, and by keeping the current system then we would be falling in their trap. I mean we already have the TSA, everyday it seems we are at bring of war with some country. Israel seems like it wants to attack iran almost every week etc..

We need to bring about this change as soon as possible before it's too late.

Here's one of many major issues regarding a one world government. Let's say hypothetically
The Israelis are at the top of the pyramid and control the power positions of the one world government
In their minds they are gods chosen people and are most certainly going to be ultra biased in favor of
Their own religious sector and things could possibly get out of control to the point of a global holocaust
becoming in effect against all that are not Zionist Jews. And the worst part would be no way of stopping
the slaughter of billions.Their would be no powerful enough opposition to restore equality and the non chosen majority would be destined to slavery , murder , torture. Billions would literally be exterminated. They would start with the Muslims and then move against anyone who is vocalizes their concerns. The OP must be truly naive to
believe that this would be a ideal solution. It would only take one crazy person hell bent on evil deeds to destroy billions and force his or her flawed sick ideals to get into the leader role which is quite scary. Imagine Israel is in control and they decide only their chosen people can own land guess what that means the people who fights back are labeled terrorists and are slaughtered or you and your family become homeless. That's essentially what Palestine has been dealing with. Ever hear the term absolute power corrupts absolutely? That statement cannot be more true. I truely believe that the zionists in Israel and those controlling the world banks are planning for this exact scenario. I saw a thread recently that opened my eyes quite abit. It outlined the Rothchilds control over all the world banks except for like 3 countries. Think gengus khan or alexander the great were close to global conquest? They don't have anything on the Rothchilds. They are missing afew pieces then it's game over crashing the economies of countries that won't play ball at will. People are concerned about a militarized world war personally i think the real battles are of wit and have been going on behind the scenes for 50 years.