The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

reply to post by Vsc1981


I, being a Latter-day Saint, believe in the Bible. But you must remember that the bible has been compiled by a man who wanted control. So most of the stuff is missing or mistranslated on purpose. So, yeah, I do believe in the bible but I don't believe it has the full record of what really happened in the past.

Plus, I can't trust the bible since it only came from one place when if you look at how in the world there were other cultures, it turns out, in the bible, Noah and his family, after the flood, spread out, but there were some survivors after the flood. As well the purpose of the flood, to start clean slate again. What if I told you they has technology far more advance than us and all it will take is about of month of it underwater and it's gone until recovered? This is the reason why the earth was designed this way, what ever that didn't rust or fall apart, ends up in the deepest place on Earth surface the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

You might ask, How advance? Well, let's see, they had laser guns, small bombs that are 10x more powerful than a large nuke and capable of leveling cities, air travel for standard vehicles, everything, but like the bible said, they became wicked, as well, thought the flood was only at one place? It was the entire world. The entire world was corrupt and only a few survived after the flood.

So that is my take on the whole bible deal, Peace man.

Originally posted by FreedomCommander
reply to post by Vsc1981

 

I, being a Latter-day Saint, believe in the Bible. But you must remember that the bible has been compiled by a man who wanted control.

Oh my goodness. Really? Because your guy definately didn't have an agenda and absolutely did not make it all up.

Great reply to an insufferable pedant.
As previously mentioned "Belief is the end of intelligence".
It must be nice to have the answer to everything spiritual.
Zen says 'trust those who seek the truth, beware of those who have found it'.
And as C. Hitchens said "religion poisons everything"

I claim to no such thing. I've got a ged. It doesn't take a genus to to read the bible and see all the the things there within that point to the times we live in. You don't think that i to have thought that i need actual physical proof or some type of sign to believe? I'm not calling anybody ignorant. Thats just another assumption. But i am saying people are blind to the truth. Thats not being rude nor mean. Its fact! And by no means am i a professor or a prophet. But i do know what I'm feeling within my soul. And something is happening and something is coming. And i believe we'll see the effects of it. I mean when in the part two thousand years could a man go to and fro as fast as we can today? You know with internet and cars and planes and trains and boats. Read between the lines. Its coming and its ok with me. I'm ready and not afraid. And if I've got the means to tell people how i feel hoping it may help them i will do so. I mean honestly why would i waste my time?

reply to post by Vsc1981


We are all blind to the truth - even those who claim they know what it is.

If your implying the bible has already happened. That all it says has already came to pass then i have to strongly disagree. The world still stands. Man is still here. We still have pain and tears and sorrow. Wars are still waging. And I've not came across a golden gate. I will in the near future be posting some things that may change some minds or at least have people thinking a bit more seriously about the bible and our Creator. I'm not going to stop trying cause i feel its the right thing to do. Its why i made this thread. People may laugh and scorn me but owell thats part of it. I'll take it in stride. Doesn't matter what people think of just what Jesus thinks.

reply to post by Vsc1981


Do you mean what I am implying?

If so, what I am implying is that none of us can even say with 100% certainty if this guy even actually existed, let alone the myriad of other stories and impossible to prove the bible is the word of a god we cannot prove exists unless it shows itself and says so.

Originally posted by Badgered1
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Cro-magnon, homo-habilis, neanderthal, etc. are not mentioned in the bible.
I wonder why?

Because at the time the Bible was written...Cro Magnon had already evolved into Homosapiens...us....and Neanderthal had died out a long time before this time. Neanderthal did have limited interbreading with Cro Magnon but very ealy in Cro Magnons existance on Earth.

The Bible has been written and re-written so many times as well as Gospels being added and subtracted and some parts of the Bible are not that old at all. MEN decided what would or would not appear in the Bible and there are Gospels not in the current version such as gospels of Mary Magdeline and the Gospels of Judas that were deamed too devisive in how some of Jesus' Appostles viewed what they interpretted as Jesus saying that ALL COULD BE THE SON OF GOD...as appossed to the concept that He ALONE was the Son of GOD.
Split Infinity

"We all know the Bible is Gods work".....I wouldn't go that far. Oh wait sorry I forgot that's a proven fact.

Honestly if you subscribe to the motto deny ignorance, you should probably abondan the bible and religion.

Originally posted by aardvark888
reply to post by Ghost375

 

I'm sick and tired of hearing people say the Bible has been changed - the King James version of the Bible is the word of God as originally given to the original writers. There are no changes. Stop blindly accepting what anti-God people tell you!

i'm sick an tired of hearing people say that some imaginary friend writes books.
Which of the over 3800 "gods" identified as cultural artifact so far do you mean? Can they all write, or just one?
Which version of what book do you mean?

why don't you ask your god to give you some extra time that you can use to study the context in which the KJB came to be...if that book is the word of your imaginary friend, that friend surely had a stake in local politics in those days. How did that one god give the word to the original writers (which faction of the gang of writers do you refer to?) Did he use skype? did he tweet it?

Look, wanna waste your time believing in your imaginary friend? Fine, go ahead. Just try to keep this to yourself instead of trying to convince other ignorant people that your fiction if fact.

Rubbish its a collection of primitive superstition bound up in a work of fiction that fools and idiots use as justification to slaughter all who dont believe their primitive , barbaric superstition.

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by Vsc1981

 

Do you mean what I am implying?

If so, what I am implying is that none of us can even say with 100% certainty if this guy even actually existed, let alone the myriad of other stories and impossible to prove the bible is the word of a god we cannot prove exists unless it shows itself and says so.

But that's just it... No man can prove it to you. Only God Above can prove it by turning your heart and mind towards Jesus. No church can do it. I can't prove it to you, only God can prove it to you. Your creator tells you, one month you think nothing of Jesus, the next month something happens in your life and you find yourself moved and drawn towards Him. It's the purpose of why the gospel is preached and why it sits dormant within an unbeliever for years sometimes. Those that He calls turn their heads, the mind and heart then seek Him. This is what the vast majority of churches don't preach because they've turned from the Truth. When you see a Christian participating in the lifestyle choices of everyone around them, e.g. there is no difference, yet who goes to church every Sunday because it's become a ritual for them, they were never told that the Creator seeks a one to one relationship nor did they love Him enough to find out. And then this in turn puts off non-believers who use it as proof that "religion controls", because most churches have been purposely made into institutions that preach another gospel message. Picking up scripture in your own home and seeking your Creator for that one to one relationship is absolutely opposite to what most churches teach. This is an understanding that non-believers must understand, it's about you being Abraham, or Jacob, or Noah - who all had that relationship before the Bible existed. They KNEW God, and He KNEW them.

I can give an example of proof that does exist, but only believers may understand. When my aunt was a young child, her mother (my grandmother), went into hospital for two weeks with a nervous breakdown. My aunt prayed and prayed and prayed to God, and Jesus ended up sitting with her for those two weeks at every bedtime, telling her that her mother would be fine. When my aunt grew up and had young children of her own, one night my uncle had to go out of town on business. She became frightened because a lot of the homes in the area in which she lived had been burgled. As usual, she prayed, pouring out her love and asking for protection. Within a few minutes of going to bed she heard voices outside. Guess what she had the privilege and honour to see through her window? A row of men standing on her property line facing the street. She could only see a line of men, dressed in toga style outfits and each yielding a giant staff. She saw their backs as they were facing the street, not her house. They were angels offering the protection to her and her family.

So when Jesus said "Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?", most Christians as well as non-believers, cannot fathom the reality of the spiritual realm that exists all around us. I, as a new believer, can only strive for that same kind of relationship with God by seeking Jesus to reveal the glory of the Kingdom of God that only He can do. No church, no man, no friend - only Him.

Why is this testimony important today? Many feel a major change coming whether or not they believe in God. If you do sense it, do not underestimate how much your own beliefs have been given to you by the world, how much your mind has been shaped to see things through the "supremacy" of science, logic and reason, for those things put you at enmity with the spiritual realm. They indoctrinate you against not only a belief in God, but against even seeking that personal relationship with Him. It's why He asks His Faithful to "not love the world". This world as we know it is departing, for it is the Age of raising those Sons of God. Time is speeding up, the leaders are preparing for their last battle against God Almighty, and in order to do so, the nations that hold the largest populations of professing Christians are filled with a manufactured belief in aliens, prosperity beyond anyone else on this planet, all kinds of sin, false churches, violence, abortion, two job families who  give their children to others to raise, and every sort of worldly pleasure - all to keep us from ever having the motivation or time to seek Him Above. God and His Faithful become "bigots". And many will be ready in the future to stand and fight against God Almighty when Christ Jesus returns, having never understood how they made the choice to deny the Sovereignty of God in the first place.

Pray and seek Him from a humbled heart. Ask Him for the belief. But most won't because they love the dark and world too much.

reply to post by hawkiye


For having found the one thing in life that can show no discourse. You will get a sign shortly that will make you retract your words that you placed on a soul that deserves just as much attention as anyone else, without being harassed or demeaned! I promise you hawk! Promise...

reply to post by WhoKnows100

So if I understand correctly, God or Jesus takes a special interest in your family spending 2 weeks making sure your Aunt was OK while her Mother was sick and then sent Angels to make sure she wasn't burgled !

According to their belief anyone who practices Judaism is one of God's chosen people, it seems slightly strange to me that God can take the time to make sure your Aunt does not get her property stolen but is impotent when it comes to stopping the murder of millions of his chosen people ?

If that is they way God works I think I will pass on having an imaginary friend !

Goodness, this theme has gone viral.

I do think the OP's original theme is that of small town America and Southern Preaching and a performance to get money on the collection plate. It has the flavor of the world revolves around my belief, yet there is The Koran, The Talmud, and a dozen other religion based works that don't subscribe to this small town Elmer Gantry outlook of the world revolves around this one book. Only a small town outlook would take up that one book contains sufficient knowledge for them.

It is interesting that such thinking prevents them from being able to discuss the larger issues on the problems in the Biblical Narratives, as well as how it came into being. There are many Books that are claimed written by men and considered important because they had some sort of Devine Inspiration, Still, they are the words of man's contemplations on god.

So, since small town America is limited to the words from only one book with a collection of only 66 books that fit together best to support a theme. Everyone speaks to the issues of Constantine, and Constantine did commission Bibles that supported the merger of paganism with some of the revision issues of Jesus going against the Babylon Talmudists. Jesus was an Essene High Master Priest associated with Mt. Carmel's vast knowledge and studies of religion. So, the narrow minded thinking of the small town mentality of One Book is all I need can never begin to know the real Jesus as they can't become inclusive of this knowledge of the Essene and how they wanted a Messiah to effect change against the non-pious issues of the Second Temple that corrupted the Jewish religion.

The well schooled know that Constantine got the Council working and sought to make Jesus as god, and all the works and efforts then sought to make that happen and ignored any works that spoke counter to that theme, and there are many. Making Jesus as god was more the theme of the Babylon Trinity, and trying to shoe horn Jesus into that Pagan idea isn't kosher. The Council started the Trinity concept and got some concensus on religion and trying to make Jesus into something bigger than he was in many ways, but corrupted back to the theme of pagan issues of Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz being fashioned into associations with Jesus. So, Jesus was sheep dipped with the issues of Satanic Babylon via these wrong moves of religion in the times of Constantine.

Ref:
www.1611kingjamesbible.com...

Some have spoken of their needs to right those old wrongs by not following the ideas that attempt to make Jesus into the wrong light. These persons are seeker of the more pious truths in religion, as were Jesus and the Essene. Some don't follow Dec. 25 as the Birth of Christ, as it was not, but it is considered to be the Birth Day of the tyrant Nimrod. Others don't jump on the Easter Theme because it mimics the theme of Tammuz with Easter Eggs and Rabbits derived from that paganism. It even shows up with the issues of going to church on Sunday, and that rhymes with Pagan Sun Worship, but the small town teachers of religion can never consider these other and deeper issues, and most of them end up becoming more pagan Sun Worshippers of the Evil Babylon than any follower of Jesus and the Essene's values. Such limitations on their ability to acquire knowledge and get into the better understandings of what good the Bibilcal Narrastives were supposed to impart leaves them steeped in ignorance of real theological discussions.

Until anyone can come to read lots of books beyond the one source this needs to be called ignorance of the issues of history and a self imposed ignorance that keeps them from knowing the very special ways to interpret the allegorical presentation methods of the Bible. Pious views on religion in the times of Jesus held that Noah, Moses, David, Solomon were all working with views of more divine inspirations on the god theme. Non-pious issues entered the Jewish religion via the Babylon Captivity and the inclusions of Nimrod's tyrant Babylon ideals and Satan's religion themes into the Babylon Talmud. While Jesus and the Essene considered this to be the ultimate evil and called this the Synagogue of Satan, and the Religion of the Harlot, when Constaintine came along and desired to blend the tyrant pagan ways of Nimrod's religion with Jesus that became the long term perversion from the messages of Jesus and the Essene.

So, when small town America views that limit the greater understanding on knowing the Essene's traditions and how why they wanted a more pious teacher of religion to right the wrong of the Babylon Talmud, they don't do justice to Jesus and they can't interprete the Biblical Narratives with the better understandings. This is indeed unfortunate that this self desired ignorance does great harm to Jesus Name and leds the Flock astray. The symbol for the Christian Church involved a Fish connected to a Star of David connected to a Minorah and this symbolized saving people from their lowness in life with acquating them with the higher realm issues of why Moses revolted from the Nirmod derived gods of Egypt and started Monotheism.

www.olimpublications.com...
www.biblesearchers.com...

So, since the small town, one book has everything, is the OP's theme, he limits himself from knowing some very special issues from the times of Jesus. He won't be able to learn why Jesus got into the Fishers of Men theme and told the Jonah and the Whale allegory story, and that his consorts were lots of fishermen and seamen that traveled widely. He won't be able to look upon these old relics from the times of Jesus and understand their special symbolic meanings. He will remain with a huge degree of self imposed ignorance that many would suggest that allow him to follow more Satan than value Jesus. If you look upon his church one will likely find a Cross symbolic of Tammuz, than this true symbol of Jesus Church as the Messiac Seal above that contains the real pious truths and is mean't to show the intentional exclusion of the Babylon Talmud as being worship for I am that I am. He will never understand the proper concepts and where the Bible departs from various concepts of different evil gods and why the Jesus loving, benevolet, and servant to all men God was the correct choice that makes all men as One.

I would hope that he changes his one book outlook so that one day he can walk into the light of greater understanding and elevate himself above the darkness and into the higher realm.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

The well school know that Constantine got the Council working and that sought to make Jesus as god, and all the works and efforts then sought to make that happen and ignored any works that spoke counter to that theme, and there are many. The Council started the Trinity and got some concensus on religion and trying to make Jesus into something bigger than he was in many ways,

I gave you a star for the rest of your post, good stuff. But this part I've taken exception to. I don't know exactly where you get your information from, but the Council at Nicea didn't make Jesus God in 325 AD, they voted on how to exactly define His deity from scripture. Was He eternal, or was He still created, but way before the angels and the universe?

A bishop from Alexandria, Egypt (Gnostic headquarters) Arius began to teach that Jesus WASN'T God incarnate, that He was created by the Father, less than God. Arius got a big cadre of people to follow him and it was tearing apart the church at Alexandria. Constantine called the council to address the issue. No different than the apostles councils they called twice to vote on things in Jerusalem. The only ones to abstain from voting with the creed was Arius's two companions. Oh yeah, and Constantine had not vote.

Originally posted by Vsc1981
But i am saying people are blind to the truth. Thats not being rude nor mean. Its fact! And by no means am i a professor or a prophet. But i do know what I'm feeling within my soul.

Dear Vsc1981,
Other than suggesting, strongly, that you pay more attention in your English lessons, I would like to kindly point out that you "believe" people are blind to the truth. That is a far cry from it being fact though. It might be fact that you believe it, but it still doesn't mean that people are blind to the truth. Feelings, beliefs and fact are not the same things. I would urge you to contemplate on that a little.

We are all free to believe what we wish, people tend to get a little bent out of shape when someone then dictates, or attempts to dictate, to them what they should believe, just a hint take it as you will.

T

reply to post by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
The seal of God by E.R.Fink is a good example of a study of hiptatic structure . www.mun.ca... .The original work done by F. C. PAYNE ,was well before computers that would be required to even attempt to repourduce a similar work ... But yet as we become better educated and have tools to delve into the word we find micro structures that could only come from a all knowing God . A sample from page 110www.mun.ca...

There are six Greek words which are found nowhere else in Matthew.



Their numeric value is exactly 5,005

715-7's



These six Greek words have exactly 56 letters

8-7's



Now the first two verses, a natural division, have exactly 42 words

6-7's



leaving 119

17-7's



The last verse, another natural division, has exactly, 14 words

2-7's



leaving 147

3-7's of 7's



Again the 161 words occur in 105 forms

15-7's



The numeric value of these forms is exactly 65,429

9,347-7's



In these 105 forms there are exactly 35 verbs

5-7's



There are also exactly 7 Proper Names

7



The number of letters in these names is exactly 42

6-7's


The word 'Emmanuel' is used here but nowhere else in the N.T.




Its numeric value is 644

92-7's



The sum of its figures is 14

2-7's



The number of forms exclusive to this passage is 14

2-7's



Their numeric value is exactly 8,715

1,245-7's


Now we have another remarkable occurrence.

The angel speaks to Joseph, and although his words form another pattern of their own, they fit exactly into the whole!




In speaking to Joseph the angel uses, of the 77 vocabulary words, exactly 28

4-7's



The numeric value of all the angel's words is exactly 21,042

3,006-7's



The angel uses exactly 35 forms

5-7's



These 35 forms have exactly 168 letters

24-7's



The numeric value of these letters is exactly 19,397

2,771-7's



Now the angel, in using only 28 of the vocabulary words leaves exactly 49

7-7's



In using exactly 35 forms he leaves exactly 70

10-7's



The sum of the figures 70 is 7 and, its factors, 7 + 2 + 5 is 14


2-7's

It is genuinely distressing that this thread has made the front page.

Seriously, guys, let this thread die. Stop feeding the Christians ammunition. We've got far more productive and important issues to talk about.