Muslims: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

reply to post by PrimePorkchop

It's funny I see people say this all the time...unless we're talking about White Christians.

I say it about White Christians all the time. Namely because so many are fake Christians in my persective.

When you're dealing with someone from the middle east like this, you can't look at them as the same free-thinking people like you deal with in your every day life.

Actually, yes you can. You just need to ditch the judgemental predispositions you have regarding those people. But that is your issue and not theirs to solve. Besides, I'm yet to meet a bunch of free thinkers in every day life...most people seem to be obsessed by TV shows or their smartphones...not really free if you ask me.

Islam is not just a belief structure - it is an absolute way of life. You can't fight that. You can't change that. If that way of life threatens you - there's only one thing left to do.

It will change by itself simply because it is such an oppressive way of life. But that can't happen when the West goes out of its way to specifically fund, train and arm the most extreme Islamists out there...and as you see now, the problem is not as simple as you saw before.

Originally posted by alienorgy
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or not, seems to be an epidemic lately.

reply to post by nobodysavedme

you do realize 90% of mosloms can't read or write?

That's blatant bull.

the koran is actually in arabic.most mosloms can't read at all.let alone in arabic.

There's a flaw in your argument. I underlined it.

hence any tom,dicko ,self appointed leader,mullah or suicide bomber can spout any old rubbish claiming it to be from the koran and abdul gullible will swallow it and start killing random people cos Allah says so.

...not everyone will kill but this is the point I was trying to make. Then I think about the Vatican and their idolized pope who is ''the bridge between heaven and earth''(pardon the bull, trying to get a point across) I wonder how many Catholics can read?

a lot of mosloms suffer from sexual frustration due to their frigid illiterate wives who come from villages and are in a state of perpetual embarrassment and shame hence the moslom man ca't get any sexual satisfaction from a frigid shameful wife who lies in bed like inert lump who will not even kiss mouth to mouth let alone do oral.

How do you know these things about a Muslims sex life? More importantly, why do you care about other peoples sex lives?

this explains is why so many mosloms obsessed with the 72 virgin orgy in "paradise".

Aren't Muslims allowed like 4 wives? Doesn't that rip a hole the size of Jupiter in your argument about sexual frustration?

solution is to broadcast porn 24/7 into these countries to remove embarrassment and make sex normal.

Don't worry, they have the internet

What is your religion by the way? Or should I guess? ;-)

Oh not this AGAIN...

The only way to discuss this is to actually know who you are talking about, that means taking Muslim and splitting it into 3 type.

Normal Muslim, seen many places in the West and elsewhere

These people enjoy their faith and religion as per the book, they read the book and see the book says to accept other religions, not to attack them and to use your mind to learn. Most Muslim like these you would be hard pressed to recognise in a busy street, they have integrated to a large degree.

Moderate Muslim, now these are what I call the 50/50's for the most part, they normally claim to be the middle man (used deliberately) between others and Islam. These people do exist but from my research for every one whose truly in the middle there's 5 who are actually very Radical and smile at the West while helping the Radicals.

And lastly the good old Radicals, these are the people that most people mean when they start on about Muslims, these people respect the book but follow scripture written by MEN for MEN, these folk do not follow the principle of the book and seek an Islamic state everywhere (this is where people make the big mistake). Radicals follow incredibly old tribal worship which is very mixed with violent control, women are 2nd rate and the whole mind control and "do as you are told" comes from these people.

The average suicide person, car bomber and person that stands on the street calling for beheading ISN'T a normal Muslim, these are full on trained radicals and I do mean trained. These and the Moderates are the two we need to keep an eye on, the radicals DO want to change every country they go to as that's part of the doctrine they are taught or trained in. We also should be making an effort NOT to give in to radical requests as they see it as a weakness in us and as said their wish is not to live side by side so its really not a suitable partnership for those in the West.

Now we know who's who we can actually start to have a more direct and logical discussion re this subject.

Should we be in their countries playing a god if you will, no of course not, the US and the UK at the top levels never entered these countries for to help them, its financial and control all the way.

Should you blame the troops, NO, troops are doing as per their job, most hate being there and would like to come home. Do people not understand the strain on the troops, the levels of troop suicide has risen massively, they know they are not fighting for a correct reason and face death 24hrs a day for the leaders wishes.

What we need to do here is withdraw from these countries, if anything our presence actually leads to a radicalisation of these places when we leave. Look at Egypt and Libya, both have taken on the Shariah Law, the law of the radicals.

In our countries we need to see that the normal Muslims for the most part integrated long ago, the newer arrivals are mostly from the radical countries so you must expect to see a rise in public worry. Those true radicals who come do so to train and spread the word, Saudi spends vast sums to aid in this no matter what even the most liberal of you believes, Saudi pumps cash and clerics, preachers and technology into Western countries with the sole aim to train up the radicals..FACT..Don't ask me, ask your local Imam if they have TV feed for lessons from Saudi, if they have frequent visits from clerics and Imams trained in Saudi.

Me, I'm tired of the radical threats I and my wife get from the trained converts here in the UK, sadly their numbers do grow and sadly I see them claiming a larger part of our culture and identity on the street, my own Muslim mother in law looks in despair at the numbers of fully covered women who trail behind their husbands like pets, she looks at the high streets she saw when she came here from Guyana and see's that most local parts are almost totally Arabic is design and frontage. She herself says its wrong and it should be an area for all and not made almost totally Islamic.

And why does she worry, because like all normal Muslims they know that THEY will be the first target of the thugs and public opinion instead of the radicals, she knows that so many people from our countries do NOT know the difference in the who's who of Muslims, they are tarred with the same brush yet integrated long ago, they practice their faith, live mostly in mixed area's although many have had to move to predominant area's because of stupidity and threats from people who don't have a clue.

Me, I'm of no religion which if you look at that you discover another difference in ordinary Muslims, I married into a Muslim family and they knew I was of no faith and I've been FULLY accepted by all the families and sub families, try getting a Radical family to even allow me in the house.

There ARE massive differences, if you want to have an enemy then at least identify the right one...

the problem is religion ignorance and the people that propagate the two.

get rid of the elite scum that keeps things in a never ending cycle of division and the problem solves itself.

Religion is a cancer on this planet.

Humans are weak pathetic beings who cannot self govern.

This isnt about Islam or Christianity. Its about money and power.

The fools blowing themselves up are uneducated.

The grunts fighting the wars are uneducated.

Knowledge and truth is the only way out. Not relative truth but ultimate truth.

I personally could do without religion all together, I'm from Belfast originally but had to flee there in the middle of the night wearing just my pyjamas with my mum and dad, he was protestant and she was catholic.

That religious mix almost cost us our lives, we either left or were killed...

I have no issue with people having a 'comfort', life can be very tough so some look for a little solace in a 'faith', if that keeps THEM as a person happy then good luck, its when people want their faith imposed on others I do mind. If your life needs control then it might help you but imposing control on others is simply evil beyond all, amazing how something apparently so good needs to exert control over others...Simply evil..

As said, if you look at those fighting for these religions you will notice time and time again that its the cannon fodder doing that, the experts, priests, clerics etc all sit on high watching the trained monkeys perform.

Show me a religion of control and I'll point out a thing filled to the brim with liars, cheats, fraudsters, hypocrites and very very BAD people. If you don't agree with that then I would have to think you are in one of those types simply because I've yet to see a religion not involved in some form of serious scandal.

To the guy with the hard on over MUSLIM

Originally posted by METACOMET
reply to post by nenothtu

 

You think the useful idiot is the person who will not wantonly murder at the whims and desires of the elite who are just trying to enforce more efficient control.

Negative. I think the useful idiot is the one willing to be led down the garden path to his own destruction to fulfill some misguided notion of political correctness. It has nothing to do with "wanton murder", other than the useful idiot eventually being on the receiving end of such when his usefulness is over. I do not murder, nor do I even kill on the behalf of some nebulous "elites".

Maybe if you shed the knee jerk, emotional feedback loop for a moment and used reasoning and facts, you would see that the aim of these wars is not to fulfill romantic ideas like liberating free nations and free men. It's not about keeping you safe from terror. The aim of these wars is to consolidate power.

Perhaps if you remove the rose-colored glasses, you'll realize as I did long ago that "liberating nations" is a ridiculous notion - a free man works his own liberation. NO ONE else can do it for him. You can remove all impediments, and a man STILL won't be free - until he frees himself. The aim of these wars is consolidating power for the right side. as they always are. Which side is "the right side" depends on your political inclinations, and how strongly you value your own independence. There are more than just two "sides".

If it makes you feel like a man to be an unquestioning manufactured wooden toy soldier at the service of the unscrupulous cabal in power, on a level with wood and earth and stone, that's you prerogative. But know that real men serve with their conscience also.

You have no idea who I am, where I've been, or what I've done. To make the above assessment in the absence of that knowledge is nothing short of presumptuous. I'm willing to bet dollars against donuts that I was helping muslims free themselves when you were nothing more than a girlish gleam in your mother's eye, LONG before this current round of middle eastern unpleasantness.

I see how they've repaid me for that effort, and I'll not be doing it again any time soon.

Do not presume to know how I fight, where I fight, or who or what I fight for. If your above assessment is any indicator, you haven't got a clue. Just so you'll know a little bit, I have never, ever been a part of the US military. You don't need to school me on "real men". I've stood shoulder to shoulder right along side some of the best.

There is no virtue in the actions of the central bankers, the military-industrial complex, the propaganda machine and their controllers using the standing government as their tool to consolidate their power. I will not resign my conscience to the evil and stupidity of it all.

I care less than nothing about "central bankers", "the military-industrial complex" or any of the rest of that tripe. If you do, that is your hangup, and will be what holds you back. It will likely be what eventually kills you, because you are taking your eye off the ball and chasing chimaeras. They come for you when you are distracted and not watching, and not a damned one of them wears a 3 piece suit or works a 9-5.

I quarrel not with far-off foes, but with those who, near at home, co-operate with, and do the bidding of those far away, and without whom the latter would be harmless.

That's really amusing, in a twisted sort of way, coming from one who eagerly supports his own eventual doom.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by ShamilAbdullah

 

Alright , i asked you what country you lived in. If the mods considers me asking what Country you lived in a violation then so be it. I am simply asking your nationality to get an idea about where your opinions might come from.

As i see you quiet possibly as a threat.

edit on 26-2-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

ok well then lets see if i am still a threat! ?
I was born and raised on a farm to a conservative mormon family, your all- american family? Played baseball and foot ball in highschool, i am currently studying law , i have a beautiful family and religion! I have found peace and love through islam and most of all i have found allah ( god) i work very hard to support my family and go to school ontop of it all, am i still a threat? ..... you really need to re- think your position in life, and move away from your selfish thoughts ..


Allahu !! Ackbar!!!!

I was just about to put what a totally stupid thread title but then i guess as it is on so many pages it probably isn't that stupid!

Surely though, this could be aimed at most groups (religious or not) around the world. Christians: i am tired of your violence, Jews i am tired of your violence, NATO: i am tired of your violence.......

The point being, the world is rather violent at the moment. Therefore, how can you realistically single out one particular group over another. And, if we DO decide we can make these sweeping generalisations, why pick on just Muslims?

You cannot denigrate an entire swathe of people because of some loonies. For example, i do not think most Americans are like Billy Graham!

reply to post by ShamilAbdullah


I dunno. Your avatar looks pretty threatening, but I do like the way you worked "allahu akbar" into the avatar itself, on the flag, just in case you make a post some where, some time, and forget to sprinkle it in to the post!

Those guys look like Chechens to me, rather than Mormons...

reply to post by petrus4


Dear Petrus4,
For a start this seems more like a rant than anything, but that aside, who are you to be "tired" of someone else's actions? Divine? Inspired? Nobel peace prize winner?

Extremely arrogant would come to mind, uneducated to boot.

You lack understanding, that is obvious.

From the outside looking in, one could surmise that the actions of the few are an extension of the thoughts of the many. They are not. Furthermore, it was American soldiers who caused this latest uprising. Why aren't you tired of the mighty US of A war machine invading countries for profit and making us believe it is for the stability of the region? Oh that's right, it is because you are: blinkered, uneducated and gobbling up MSM propaganda!

Let's imagine a bunch of guys invade the US. They tell you what to think, do, how to raise your children, what religion to follow and that everything you stand for is a lie. Would you sit idly by and say "yes please, thank you very much, please tell me how to live" or would you be somewhat irritated and perhaps, just perhaps, feel a little bit threatened?

Add to that that these invaders then go ahead and burn replicas of the declaration of independence, or Bible.. you pick.

More thought, less emotion and deny ignorance.

T

reply to post by ShamilAbdullah


Whilst your words are no threat I do not understand the need to have Allahu ackbar!! (God is great) accompanying a picture of military people with an AK-47. It conveys the idea that to believe in Islam you have to fight and shoot which isn't exactly true to the book.

Its meant to be a personal 'thank you' to Allah, mixing it into the politics of the situation especially in a military / gun notion gives the idea of radicalism to me. I'm sure you and your family are lovely people but the avatar would suggest on sight that you prefer the radical way.

Is this the case?

reply to post by Mclaneinc


Dear Mclaneinc,
I'm going to derail this exchange, with a little insight.

Symbolism like this you mean?
www.masterplaques.com...

Or something along these lines?
en.wikipedia.org...

Less we forget who truly is innocent or guilty

T

Originally posted by BellaSabre
Yuck, I hate these threads (subject matter, not OP

)

But really, sometimes I wish they did have their own state, all to themselves, and they agreed not to bother us, and we wouldn't bother them.(Here I'm speaking of the radical muslims, not the acclimated ones.)

But it's difficult when they start slaughtering one another, like Syria now, and beg for our help. It's difficult to know what to do.

park a satellite overhead and watch them kill each other off from a distance. Syria is no more our damned business than Libya or Egypt was - and you see how THAT turned out, right?

What I find most amusing is that the same people who continually decry "US installed puppet dictators" are the very same ones to first start screaming "butbutbut the Islamic Brotherhood doesn't like the dictator they have - why isn't the US running straight in and helping them to install a different dictator?"

For the rest of us, I think we should just pop popcorn and watch them self-destruct, all while they are screaming for the help today that they were demonizing yesterday.

reply to post by torqpoc


Well i am from York, my oldest friends' father is a mason here - what are you saying? (not arguing, just lost with your point).

Originally posted by torqpoc

Let's imagine a bunch of guys invade the US. They tell you what to think, do, how to raise your children, what religion to follow and that everything you stand for is a lie. Would you sit idly by and say "yes please, thank you very much, please tell me how to live" or would you be somewhat irritated and perhaps, just perhaps, feel a little bit threatened?

Yeah. Except the US isn't doing those things, so that argument is a non-starter.

Add to that that these invaders then go ahead and burn replicas of the declaration of independence, or Bible.. you pick.

They already do, and flags, too. I've yet to threaten to kill the first one over such trivialities.

reply to post by Flavian


Dear Flavian,
It was simply playing devil's advocate. The guy in the post was questioning the other chap using "Allahu Ackbar" with a picture of an AK-47 and I wanted to show that there are symbols out there from the other side of the proverbial fence which can be interpreted in a similarly questioning manner.

Ie, a cross, swords and latin for: In this sign you will conquer

T

What if Muslim "terrorists" were actually the only real freedom fighters left in this world to wage a revolution against the Rothschild's Satanic NWO?

Originally posted by torqpoc
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

Dear Mclaneinc,
I'm going to derail this exchange, with a little insight.

Symbolism like this you mean?
www.masterplaques.com...

Or something along these lines?
en.wikipedia.org...

Less we forget who truly is innocent or guilty

T

Do you know a christian somewhere who actually punctuates his sentences with
"in hoc signo vinces"?

I've never met one.

Lest we forget who truly is innocent or guilty.