Why my mind is closing towards Capitalism

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CB328

 

Yes and over 150 million have been murdered for it.

Yes those evil fascist monsters from Norway and Iceland have killed countless numbers in their quest for social equality!

By the way, how many American Indians do you reckon were slaughtered in the United States?

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Lincoln could be seen as a mass murderer by your definition. Does Liberty mean 'mass murder'?

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Originally posted by thehoneycomb

You folks are the masters of propaganda.

Anyways Lenin himself was responsible for over 4 million democides.

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars.[1][2][3] Rummel presents his definition without referencing any previous uses, but the term democide was defined and used in English more than 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.[4]

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Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000 democides.

How can you spin this?

How many civilians were killed in Iraq? Some numbers say over a million. Thats one quarter of Lenin's lifetime total...in one invasion. But we are the good guys, and our democides dont count, right?

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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CB328

 

Yes and over 150 million have been murdered for it.

Yes those evil fascist monsters from Norway and Iceland have killed countless numbers in their quest for social equality!

By the way, how many American Indians do you reckon were slaughtered in the United States?

Many were. But in most cases it is because they were fighting with England. The very force that the US was fighting against.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CB328

 

Yes and over 150 million have been murdered for it.

Yes those evil fascist monsters from Norway and Iceland have killed countless numbers in their quest for social equality!

By the way, how many American Indians do you reckon were slaughtered in the United States?

Many were. But in most cases it is because they were fighting with England. The very force that the US was fighting against.

In the 1800s? Thomas Jefferson is the equivalent of Hitler to many aboriginal North Americans.
Trail of Tears...never learned about the British being involved in that. Nor Wounded Knee, where the slaughter of women, children and elderly took place. Can you please link me to information that proves the British did these horrible deeds and not Americans?

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Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

You folks are the masters of propaganda.

Anyways Lenin himself was responsible for over 4 million democides.

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars.[1][2][3] Rummel presents his definition without referencing any previous uses, but the term democide was defined and used in English more than 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

necrometrics.com...

Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000 democides.

How can you spin this?

How many civilians were killed in Iraq? Some numbers say over a million. Thats one quarter of Lenin's lifetime total...in one invasion. But we are the good guys, and our democides dont count, right?

America has been verging towards socialism for over 100 years. I am not a fan of Bush any more than you are. He did bring us the unconstitutional Homeland Security and the war on Iraq. Which dates back to before the Bible was written. So yeah those wars count and the body counts count, but unfortunately they were not a war for capitalism.

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I thought she was talking about the revolutionary war, not the civil war.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by thehoneycomb

You folks are the masters of propaganda.

Anyways Lenin himself was responsible for over 4 million democides.

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars.[1][2][3] Rummel presents his definition without referencing any previous uses, but the term democide was defined and used in English more than 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

necrometrics.com...

Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000 democides.

How can you spin this?

How many civilians were killed in Iraq? Some numbers say over a million. Thats one quarter of Lenin's lifetime total...in one invasion. But we are the good guys, and our democides dont count, right?

America has been verging towards socialism for over 100 years. I am not a fan of Bush any more than you are. He did bring us the unconstitutional Homeland Security and the war on Iraq. Which dates back to before the Bible was written. So yeah those wars count and the body counts count, but unfortunately they were not a war for capitalism.

"Unfortuantely" it wasnt a war for capitalism? From where I stand, lots of private corporations made LOTS of money in that war, taken from us, the taxpayer. Halliburton for one, private contractors like Triple Canopy and Xe (same company) as well. Not to mention all the sweet deals made for Iraqi oil. If you think that war wasnt about capitalism, maybe you should learn more about it.

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By the way, how many American Indians do you reckon were slaughtered in the United States?

How many?

Originally posted by theubermensch
Not exactly. I prefer a libertarian socailism.

There is no such thing, and there never will be. Those two ideals are diametrically opposed to one another. An anti-state, statist.... it doesn't exist. And I really wish those of you that call yourself that would try to hijack someone else's idea.

Libertarian Socialism is a stupid, contradictory myth created by Bill Maher. I know this because I heard idiots all over campus echoing it the day after he said it on his stupid HBO series.

Socialism is not new, and history has proven it to be a horrible idea.

What proponents of any "ism" (be it capitalism, socialism, or communism) fail to see, it that the reason none of those idea ever work, is because it always pits one group against another. Who ever is in the majority will rule the minority, wether the minority submits or not is irrelevant.

It cracks me up that advocates of a system like "socialism" say they want an end to violence, yet they are more than willing to use violence through a system of government to take someone else's property.

It's a joke, the entire fracken world is a joke, people die supporting "isms" every single day, for what? So that hopefully they can tell someone else what to do? Force everyone to feed the poor pre-processed food loaded with ingredients that will someday kill them, and then you force everyone to buy healthcare for everyone else, so you can all feel good about yourselves, taking care of the poor bastard you gave bad food to. In the meantime, you'll bomb every country you can think of for "humanitarian" reasons, and insist that you've done a fine job "liberating" people. But then, 20 years later when one of our building gets blown up by a suicide bomber, who's parents where killed in your "humanitarian" cause, you'll all freak out, and wonder why...

Honestly guys... the problem isn't money, the problem isn't what type of "system" we should be using. The problem is all of you, think you can tell everyone else what to do.

Knock it off, and we'd be fine.

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We are far removed from capitalism. I don't care what you say.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

I thought she was talking about the revolutionary war, not the civil war.

I thought we were talking about how many deaths various ideologies caused. You claimed socialism = murder, so I just wanted to get your thoughts on the murders that capitalism has committed.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by aching_knuckles

 

We are far removed from capitalism. I don't care what you say.

Well thats a great way to hold a dialogue!

Na na na boo boo, I cant hear you!!

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Thank you.

I was beginning to feel alone in here.

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I thought we were talking about how many deaths various ideologies caused. You claimed socialism = murder, so I just wanted to get your thoughts on the murders that capitalism has committed.

Fine. Name them. Iraq was in none of our interests. So I don't think that counts.

Originally posted by aravoth

Socialism is not new, and history has proven it to be a horrible idea.

Yes, the very idea that man should band together for the common good is obviously a dangerous idea that has ruined society....oh wait....society....social...socialism....OMG SOCIETY IS BASED ON SOCIALISM WE ARE ALL SCREWED!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

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Socialism....Your basically putting your own fate in the hands of somebody else.

Originally posted by aravoth
The problem is all of you, think you can tell everyone else what to do.

Knock it off, and we'd be fine.

Kinda ironic, eh?

Dont tell me what to do mister!

Originally posted by aravoth

There is no such thing, and there never will be. Those two ideals are diametrically opposed to one another.

Nonsense.

Libertarianism was a term first used by socialists to describe their anti-state form of socialism. Also known as Anarchism. The term was first used, by the French socialist, Joseph Déjacque, in his publication, 'La Libertaire, Journal du Mouvement Social'. [The Libertarian Journal of the socialist movement]. Ironically published in New York in 1858. Thus we get the term Libertarian Socialism.

Socialism being the workers ownership and control of the means of production. It is simply another term for anarcho-socialism.

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TextThe problem is all of you, think you can tell everyone else what to do. Knock it off, and we'd be fine.

Good idea. Maybe you should knock it off yourself. How much do you really know about Libertarian Socialism? Where do you hijack your ideas from? You call Libertarian Socialism an oxy-moron and proceed to tell everyone to "knock it off" because the problem is "telling everyone else what to do". Maybe you should follow your own advice and stop telling people what to do. That would be fine with me.

And I thought this was debate,not people telling others what to do. Do you have anything intelligent to add or are you just trying to communicate that you know very little about Libertarian Sociailism?