Why my mind is closing towards Capitalism

reply to post by CB328


Yes and over 150 million have been murdered for it.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

TextThen you posted a starving child in Africa. Which has nothing to do with capitalism, other then the fact that the child was probably starving because he lived in a communist country.

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Text"the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship,

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Textn order for capitalism to generate greater profits than the home market can yield, the merging of banks and industrial cartels produces finance capitalism — the exportation and investment of capital to countries with under-developed economies. I

Imperialism. IMF mafia......?

reply to post by AwakeinNM


Those nice pics are nonsense when you realise that socialism does not require government.

And in a capitalist economy it's the capitalists that control the economy not government.

You all focus on government, when government is just a tool of capitalism. If you want get rid of government capitalism will have to go, because without oversight it would be like it was at the beginning of the industrial revolution, before workers were granted rights by government.

Real capitalists want less government control over them, but more over us. Capitalists are not stupid, they know how to manipulate the masses into supporting their own exploitation, while thinking they are gaining more freedoms.

But 'freedom' in this context is a misnomer, when capitalists talk about freedom they just mean more freedom to exploit those of us who do not own capital, and rely on our labour for our living. Real freedom goes beyond economic systems.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by ANOK

 

Well gee. You posted a picture of a car lot. Which failed and required a bailout because it was heavily unionized.

Then you posted a starving child in Africa. Which has nothing to do with capitalism, other then the fact that the child was probably starving because he lived in a communist country.

And again you prove you fail to understand what capitalism is and what it creates. And the analogy of the pics.

If you want to do some real research start here, and don't be biased, take it for what it is...

Artificial scarcity in a world of overproduction: an ecape that isn't

Yes capitalism creates artificial scarcity is why there are starving people.

Technological capacity to produce enough to satisfy everyone's needs already exists globally and has done so for many decades. Yet needs continue to remain unmet on a massive scale. Why? Quite simply because scarcity is a functional requirement of capitalism itself.

www.worldsocialism.org...

Third would nations have been raped by capitalists exploiting their land. Their land, much like ours 200 years ago, was taken by capitalists but with no jobs to replace the loss of land to make their living off. If they had the land and means they could feed themselves.

reply to post by theubermensch

Originally posted by theubermensch
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

TextThen you posted a starving child in Africa. Which has nothing to do with capitalism, other then the fact that the child was probably starving because he lived in a communist country.

en.wikipedia.org...

Text"the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship,

en.wikipedia.org...

Textn order for capitalism to generate greater profits than the home market can yield, the merging of banks and industrial cartels produces finance capitalism — the exportation and investment of capital to countries with under-developed economies. I

Imperialism. IMF mafia......?

edit on 2-2-2012 by theubermensch because: (no reason given)

Did you seriously just link me to the writings of one of the biggest mass murderers of all time?

Yeah, cause thats really going to help your cause.

Ok...Im done here.

Go and become socialists at your own demise.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Lenin was not a 'mass murderer'.

Was Lincoln a 'mass murderer'?

Why isnt the production of food, clothing and shelter the main priority of all humans on earth?

there would be no starving people if we were mainly worried about the production and distribution of food...

but i guess then wed have to put down the video games and the malls would close....

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Lol I don't think Lenin was the point. No wonder you believe what you do.

If you simply ignore everything because of your bias you will forever remain ignorant.

Also the most advanced technologies on earth have been produced by the militaries of governments.,. paid for by the collective taxes of the people... so that communistic aspect has led to the greatest innovations of human history..,. the amount of geniuses reaped from the world over the past 80 years to work on government projects, with unlimited amounts of money, time, resources, and cooperation.,.,.

what the world sees from those efforts, are war machines, with greater and greater advances in destruction.


all that money given to self "defense" and soldiers.. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, might as well have been thrown away,,, that is the biggest joke,,. all that money from the taxpayers who are losing their homes and means of feeding there families., it wouldn't work in the benefit of the people on top if there weren't those destructive conflicts, that they profit over,, and it wouldnt benefit them if that money went to constructive and useful efforts for the taxpayers,., and imagine the unemployment rate if we strove for peace and decrease in armed forces,, millions of troops having to get jobs in the economy,, im not saying they are under qualified probably the opposite, but see that the unemployment rate would be greater...

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

Lol I don't think Lenin was the point. No wonder you believe what you do.

If you simply ignore everything because of your bias you will forever remain ignorant.

Imperialists

Originally posted by ImaFungi
Why isnt the production of food, clothing and shelter the main priority of all humans on earth?

there would be no starving people if we were mainly worried about the production and distribution of food...

but i guess then wed have to put down the video games and the malls would close....

We already have the capacity produce enough food...

Technological capacity to produce enough to satisfy everyone's needs already exists globally and has done so for many decades. Yet needs continue to remain unmet on a massive scale. Why? Quite simply because scarcity is a functional requirement of capitalism itself.

www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1990s/1998/no-1124-april-1998/artificial-scarcity

You don't have to give your games, or the mall.

reply to post by ANOK


the games and the mall are a few things that are distracting the population from making that potential a reality..

reply to post by ImaFungi


"The capitalist class has mismanaged. In face of the facts that modern man lives more wretchedly than the cave-man, and that his producing power is a thousand times greater than that of the cave-man, no other conclusion is possible than that the capitalist class has mismanaged, that you have mismanaged, my masters, that you have criminally and selfishly mismanaged." - Ernest Everhard (Jack Londons 'The Iron Heel')

www.online-literature.com...

reply to post by theubermensch


thanks

its because (like cancer) all of our progressive innovation was done in the name of infinite forward growth.. all technologies have literally and intendingly been made to make our lives easy and better, we live longer, reproduce more, consume more, more and more, easier and easier, repeat repeat, we get better at this and faster,, and here we are today,.. with all these problems...

people wish to spread our ways throughout space, infect the cosmos with our almighty genius.... we got ahead of ourselves.,., we saw the potential of industry ,, we were cavemen crawling out of our nature and wishing to escape the primordial ooze as fast as possible... there is no wisdom, foresight, or insight involved with the systems..

what happens when we create machines and computers and robots to take over more and more of the jobs, more unemployment... and then every person is living to be 200 years old, requiring more and more consumption, more and more multiplication,, what are the plans?

Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by ANOK

 

the games and the mall are a few things that are distracting the population from making that potential a reality..

Well yeah that is the truth.

Personally to be honest I don't think it will happen anyway. I enjoy the theory, and I think people should know the correct history, and definitions, of political and economic terms.

It would work if it could be implemented, but that is the hard part. I think it could even happen naturally if people were educated correctly instead of being propagandized.

reply to post by ANOK


it will happen,, that is what all this 2012 conscious changing is about... we have the technology, we have the time, we have the minds, bodies and hearts, we have the knowledge, we just need the commitment,, the first steps...

that is what all this is about,,. the elite have been helping the human race grow up, little by little,.,. until we are old enough to tell our overlord parents to f off, cuz we can do it on our own, like big boy and girls, we can share, and play nice, a enjoy life, and love our neighbor, and view each human as an equal,...etc.

all the strife, conflict, class warfare, selfishness, greed, everything that is not good... is just a product of fear,,, childish imagination, it can disappear within the perceiver within a second, because its not real,, unless they believe it to be,,, but its not..

You folks are the masters of propaganda.

Anyways Lenin himself was responsible for over 4 million democides.

Democide is a term revived and redefined by the political scientist R. J. Rummel as "the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder." Rummel created the term as an extended concept to include forms of government murder that are not covered by the term genocide, and it has become accepted among other scholars.[1][2][3] Rummel presents his definition without referencing any previous uses, but the term democide was defined and used in English more than 40 years earlier by Theodore Abel.[4]

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necrometrics.com...

Rummel blames Lenin for a lifetime total of 4,017,000 democides.

How can you spin this?

reply to post by ImaFungi


And not to get too out there but they hold things back that could set us free. Because the capitalists dont want us to be free. Like Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower-

TextIn 1900, Morgan financed inventor Nikola Tesla and his Wardenclyffe Tower with $150,000 for experiments in transmitting energy. However, in 1903, when the tower structure was near completion, it was still not yet functional due to last-minute design changes that introduced an unintentional defect. When Morgan wanted to know "Where can I put the meter?" Tesla had no answer.[citation needed] By July 1904, Morgan (and the other investors) finally decided they would not provide any additional financing. Morgan also advised other investors to avoid the project.

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Where can I put the metre indeed. We are slaves of a Capitalist Imperial Empire. The Romans had Steam Power. They could have had steam trains and stuff but they put it on the shelf because the Emperor was like 'what would we do with all the slaves?' If they dont have 'zero point' energy they have something close by now. All patents go through the military. A threat to the economic security of the nation is a 'threat' to the nation. Everything is about profit.

reply to post by theubermensch


Would you stop with the BS?

We want freedom for everybody.

Freedom does not mean babysitting everybody else.

reply to post by theubermensch


dude they probably created all teslas ideas 50 years ago...... the stuff they have now you cannot imagine!! you just cant, because it was hard for the geniuses who created it to imagine.....

there are over 30 different sectors of above top secret authorization in the military... and we can imagine that alone top secret information clearances are full of gnarlyness