Did Carl Sagan know something?

Excellent deduction.

There's could well be more here than hoaxers, perhaps. One possibility is that if 'Project Bluebeam' were a reality, then planning may have started way back with Sagan; This circle/reply being a false clue to revealing a false alien culture.

If so, then maybe Sagan heroically planted a real clue with his 'mistake', hoping it would make people look more closely at anything his original message is used to convince us all of in the future....

But there's certainly a new question you've raised here.

S&F

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I posted a reply on this page answering ur question. Please read before writing.

If they really want to make contact, why dont they just take over a TV or Radio channel and announce themselves, instead of playing games in cornfields..?

Surely if they're so intelligent, they'd know it would be a much better and effective way of getting their message across..?

Could you see the human race finding another planet, and writing messages in their fields to let them know we were there..?

...just doesn't add up.

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I've said this before on same thread. If you walk over to an ant hill and scratch your name on it peacefully trying to enlighten them what do you think will happen? Umm. How about first they panic, then they gather, then they attack the peaceful "alien" How's that for an answer?

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Forgive me, but you're not the center of the forum. So I did not see that.

Even so, it doesn't really answer it.

Why would you need an atomic of chemical formula for traveling greater than the speed of light? We already know how to do this. We simply do not have the money. In fact we know of a few ways to do it.

You can use high focus energy beams to bend space time around something and generate a space time wave, you can use the virtual particle extractions that were in the news earlier in order to subtract energy and add it back into space time, once again generating a wave to ride on. You can even use a magnetically sensitive super fluid in order to compress mass into a micro black hole at a large scale size, and ride on that.


All these and more are known. But require vast amounts of energy and money to do.

Knowledge is about a century ahead of practical these days.

As you can see, this really is out of the realms of a couple of drunks with their planks of wood and string.

Oh, I get it, your thinking that everyone on the weed stomping team must be a genius. Your right, there is no way only one or two folks could have thought this up and planned it while using free labor in the form of "drunks with sticks", lol.

Having myself participated in crop circles before, I can tell you that yes, we were pretty much all drunk but our design still came out just fine. In fact, it was a blast!!! It was even funnier to see pictures of it online and read forums of people discussing the meaning and how it must have been done by forces beyond humanity's understanding, lol. Good stuff and great times. Thank goodness for the internet tin-foil hat brigade, they are a very entertaining breed....not to mention they create an environment where real conspiracies can be hidden right out in the open, but I wont bother going into those details, as the crowd around these parts can't see the forest because of all the trees in the way....

Buy hey, I get it. I understand that life is boring, and folks like you have a hole to fill as well, and you do so by taking nonsense like this and connecting dots that simply aren't there. I get it, I really do.

But if you honestly think aliens are communicating with humanity in this manner I feel very sorry for you. I mean, you are smart enough to make a good thread and all, I'll give you that, but just like religious folk you are going off the deep end in an effort to believe or convince yourself of the least likely explanation. Unfortunately, you will find plenty of folk that feed your misguided delusion, and that is the problem with this whole subject.

REAL crop circles etc, are easily identifiable by the "popped" stems of the crop that have "exploded" with microwave like appplication to bend them. Hoaxers cant pull this off. Plankers are wankers..

I personally think these are certainly important and likely the real deal, I remember reading about them in NEXUS magazine when they occured.

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Thats what I left to wonder. I know as little of dna, but its interesting to see how it works out. Very good post and dont mind for some people trying to derail your post on purpose. Some are here for that only.

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and dont mind for some people trying to derail your post on purpose. Some are here for that only.

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't share the op's thoughts must be part of some nefarious group hell bent to spend their days derailing topics on some internet web site, lol. When you don't understand how a conversation works, I can see how you ignorantly think such nonsense. It also helps you to re-enforce your position......by convincing yourself that there are those out there that don't want you to think the way you do, and will go to such lengths as to "derail" a topic on a website, by thinking such nonsense you actually are wrapping yourself up in a warm blanket. Some people can't have their opinion and hold it dear unless they think others are trying to attack them for it. It is a vicious cycle.

However, this is a discussion forum. So there are going to be folks that don't agree with the op and wish to say so, same as there are folks that agree with them and wish to say so. I guess your little ignorant utopia consists of a bunch of hippies sitting around and agreeing with each other while they ascend to a higher plain of understanding, shielded from having anyone say something that doesn't feed their delusions.....I think there are places where you can go for that, but it is not here.

This is interesting and very informative.

The one thing I'll say is that the OP is NOT saying that hoaxers COULDN'T have physically made the circles/signs.

What he is saying is that they wouldn't have had the knowledge regarding DNA etc to have made them.

Some of you just need to read things properly and chill out.

I've always been puzzled regarding the still ambiguous origins surrounding crop circles. How hard can it be to set up some type of monitoring system to catch any would-be hoaxers? It seems about 95% of the world's crop circles appear in Southern England, surely there is a Wiltshire farmer among many that is tired of his crops being ruined and has taken action?

How hard can it be for any farmer, police force or genuine MoD investigation to have identified the perpetrators over the many decades?

S&F OP

I've been interested in crop circles for some time, though for a large portion of my teenage years I had subconsciously accepted that they are all falsified. What gets me is the complexity.

Some, however, are far too beautiful and mathematically sound for my mind to accept what I have pre-conceived and accepted as truth for so long, despite not having properly researched the phenomenon. In one video I had watched... found it, I'll put it below. They speak of how the DNA structure of the wheat, barley, etc, was actually altered. With thought I'd like to say that an ET landed and created these things, but it seems more accurate to assume that whatever did this, did this using a form of magnetism, and thor-forbid I use the words inter-dimensional. The effects on the structure is being compared to if a large microwave was used.

The message that Sagan contributed towards that was subsequently replied to, is one of the most interesting things that I've ever taken the time to research. This is not a few guys creating crop circles in the dead of night.

I've read of farmers retiring at like 3am, and come morning, a complex crop circle appears, with zero evidence of any human or creature having stepped foot nearby.

Originally posted by GeordieLegend
If they really want to make contact, why dont they just take over a TV or Radio channel and announce themselves, instead of playing games in cornfields..?

Surely if they're so intelligent, they'd know it would be a much better and effective way of getting their message across..?

Could you see the human race finding another planet, and writing messages in their fields to let them know we were there..?

...just doesn't add up.

I can offer a plausible explanation for that, not that these crop circles have anything to do with it.
Perhaps rhey have contacted us, we just didnt understand, get it. We missed it.
In that case, setting something into the enviroment is a good idea.
Off course since the whole idea is moronic, its just fantasy.
And sagan knew a lot. He had excess to highly classified info.

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Hmm , i think that actually people making crop circles are trying to communicate with aliens , much like the nazca lines !

accept not as permenant , did you ever consider that you were unknowingly attempting to communicate with aliens , but all the while thouhgt you were just having a laugh !

MEH

In 1996 I was at a UFO congress in Curitiba, Parana, Brazil, which Stanton Friedman, a Nuclear Physicist, was one of the speakers. During a break at the congress, I had a conversation with him about Carl Sagan's book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. We spoke specifically about extraterrestrials and UFOs and what Sagan really knew about them compared to what he wrote about them in his book. Friedman, who was a friend of Sagan, told me that Sagan wrote one thing for the public because of where his funding came from, but that he was very aware of contacts with UFOs and extraterrestrials visiting planet Earth.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
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Please read ALL three posts. Its not about the circles!!!!
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edit on 24-1-2012 by VoidHawk because: (no reason given)

The fact that you don't want it to be about the crop circles is meaningless in the face of the fact that these might be hoaxes.

If you post something, you cannot control the rest of the conversation about it.

Harte

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Great thread , and interesting read. I don't understand a bit about DNA and RNA strains, let alone the total package biology. But I once read a great story that somehow I think has some connection about this topic. The story was about an alien interview, true or not, it did intrigued me, and at a point they were discussing the biology of this being. and he said.:

The bodies are constructed of synthetic materials, including a very sensitive electrical nervous system, to which each EBE adjusts themselves or "tune in" to an electronic wavelength

Could the returned signal be synthetic in origin, or mixed?

the majority of basic genetic material is common to all species..." "The Genetic Core of the Universal Ancestor J. Kirk Harris, Scott T. Kelley,1 George B. Spiegelman,3 and Norman R. Pace1 1 Department of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado 80309-0347, USA; 2 Graduate Group in Microbiology, University of California, Berkeley, Berkeley, California 94720, USA; 3 Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V6T 1Z3 Molecular analysis of conserved sequences in the ribosomal RNAs of modern organisms reveals a three-domain phylogeny that converges in a universal ancestor for all life. We used the Clusters of Orthologous Groups database and information from published genomes to search for other universally conserved genes that have the same phylogenetic pattern as ribosomal RNA, and therefore constitute the ancestral genetic core of cells. Our analyses identified a small set of genes that can be traced back to the universal ancestor and have coevolved since that time.

Or maybe its how we look in the future? and the circle makers are we,time traveling?


I once stumbled on this video , the maker of this video has put it nicely together.

So is it your contention that Sagan was aware that these "aliens" were/are inside of of our solar system and sent it to them rather than the official distant star? Wouldn't this advanced civilization already be aware of us? Besides which, if they were so close why wait so long to respond? Sagan was left hanging for an answer I guess, pretty rude of the aliens.

Sorry, but it doesn't ad up. Sure whoever created the "response" needed to have a lot of scientific & biological knowledge... but these ETs would have impressed more with a quicker answer because after 27 years some bright folks with the internet could have came up with it.

*Sigh* I know absolutely bugger all about DNA but lately plenty about coincidences.
This is the first thread I've looked at on ATS today after budging my three year old off the computer....
You know what he was looking at?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...