Did Carl Sagan know something?

reply to post by Master Shen long


maybe.....
It came out wrong lol, i am just saying i would like to see if the alien chicks are hot..... i not into chimps, i will try to pay more attention to how things are orded in the future, thank you for pointing that out to me

Crap circles are of homosapien making.


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reply to post by VonDoomen


Speaking of reading the thread, did you see where Pauligirl showed that Carl Sagan didn't even write the DNA part of the message?

Some people out there erroneously think the formal Human Genome Project (started in 1990) was the BEGINNING of Human genome research. That's FAR from the truth.

Human genome research is MANY decades old, dating back to the 1960s, and genome researchers already had a good idea of the number of gene pairs even in the 1970s, when Sagan's team was crafting the gold anodized disc included aboard the Voyager probes (launched in 1977).

Sagan was an intelligent fellow who read the periodical science journals. He would have been aware of the cutting-edge progress in gene research, and he made frequent reference to genetic research in his lectures.

Human genome research has been around a long time — the final leg of the research has yet to be run, because we don't actually know WHAT the Gene Map is telling us.

reply to post by LightAssassin


Check out this doco from National Geographic where they bring in a cereal crop expert and get his opinions on crop circles...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Chadwickus


I read the part where that was disputed too.

Especially given it is his word against a dead mans.

reply to post by Chadwickus


If it doesn't discuss the node being grown I am not interested and will not waste my time. Please confirm.

reply to post by LongbottomLeaf

I've got Cosmos at home. It's a good watch. But as time passes I become more and more skeptical on the science. You know, Scientists preach the truth like Priests, and they are an enemy of the people.
What I like most about the series is Sagan's love for Mankind, his hopes for world peace, and his outspokenness against government domination.

All that said, Cosmos might be a big media smoke screen to occult deeper truths.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
I think it is viable because for those who want to know, they will investigate and decode them. For those who want to remain ignorant, they can dismiss them. This way they don't interfere with the free will of the planet population

No, you miss the point. Why would a non-human intelligence use a MEDIUM of communication that Humans could so easily manipulate to our own ends?

The FACT is that Humans DO create crop circles, even the most elaborate crop circles. Humans CREATED Binary coding. Humans could just as easily create a message intended to frighten and/or mislead the remainder of Humanity.

Crop circles in Binary, therefore, are NOT a viable means of non-human communication.

reply to post by LightAssassin


He discusses nodes, they also talk to Nancy Talbott about nodes.

Might be in part 3 I think...

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by liejunkie01

 

Please read ALL three posts. Its not about the circles!!!!
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edit on 24-1-2012 by VoidHawk because: (no reason given)

SORRY but since YOU claim that these crop circles are a return message how can you say that If it's not about the circles why bother to show them also what a perfect stunt for students to do to pull crop circle believers legs.

Also if the aliens could pick up and uderstand/decode our message why not return it the same way.

reply to post by ZeskoWhirligan


Agreed, but what medium would be so public but not so confronting as to interfere with the free will of the populace. Any suggestions?

You do realise one of the crop circles has given a mathematical formula that had been previously undiscovered?

I believe man made crop circles to throw doubt onto the non-man ones. Remember, we are crafty deceptive beings ourselves.

Honestly, what medium would you suggest for them to contact the public wanting to know more but avoid the public not wanting to know?

The info regarding the DNA cannot be overlooked either. It is a very similar scenario to the mathematical formula. No-one or very few people can replicate that info.

Originally posted by buttle2000
reply to post by LongbottomLeaf

 

I've got Cosmos at home. It's a good watch. But as time passes I become more and more skeptical on the science. You know, Scientists preach the truth like Priests, and they are an enemy of the people.
What I like most about the series is Sagan's love for Mankind, his hopes for world peace, and his outspokenness against government domination.

All that said, Cosmos might be a big media smoke screen to occult deeper truths.

Enemy of the people lets see if it wasn't for science you couldn't have posted your BS above and of course if you or a member of your family have some serious illness that science has found a cure for , you will of course refuse the treatment for it....

First of all, OP. Good job on the post, it was interesting. But I must say I agree mostly with your opponents in this thread from what I've read so far. As mentioned, the arecibo message crop circle looks particularly sloppy, for one thing.

Secondly, the DNA numbers seem to be incorrect.

Thirdly, if aliens are here making crop circles for the entire world to see then why don't they just reveal themselves for a proper state welcome from the humble denizens of Earth?

Speaking of crop circles...for people who think that they are alien made can I ask what you propose is the mechanism by which they are made? With all due respect, this is a serious question so please don't get petty with me.

I know back in the day when crop circles were relatively simple, the prevailing theory in the conspiracy realm at the time was (i think--i was a little kid back then) that they were the imprints of ufos that landed.

If ever that was the case, it certainly isn't any longer considering the complexity and other oddities of the "new" crop circles.

reply to post by buttle2000


His love inspired me to see things on a grand scale. Every tiny piece is important just as Terence Mckenna helped me open my mind and see things for what they really are.

Now, i know very little about the whole "DNA" thing, but can someone help me out with something here please..?

Say the 1 billion / 4 billion DNA code thing is correct, that the "Elite" knew the correct figures - What exactly is the point in hiding it from the general public..? What would that achieve?

Originally posted by LightAssassin
Agreed, but what medium would be so public but not so confronting as to interfere with the free will of the populace. Any suggestions?

By the time non-human intelligence is trying to WARN US of impending doom — using phrases such as "BEWARE" — the free will of the Human species is a moot consideration. A warning is a warning.

And why not just drop flyers over the population? A UFO flying low and dropping propaganda flyers?

Originally posted by LightAssassin
You do realise one of the crop circles has given a mathematical formula that had been previously undiscovered?

There have been other instances of fringe-theory mathematical formulae popping up in unlikely places.

Things That Fall Out Of The Sky

The July 25, 1973, edition of the Albany, New York Times Union reported the unusual case of Bob Hill. Hill, the owner of radio station WHRL of North Greenbush, New York, was taking out the station garbage at 4:15 P.M. when he noticed “twirling specks” falling from a distance higher than the station’s 300-ft. transmitter. He followed two of the white objects until they landed in a hayfield. The objects turned out to be two sets of formulas and accompanying graphs, which apparently explained “normalized extinction” and the “incomplete Davis-Greenstein orientation.” No explanation has been made public. The Davis-Greenstein mechanism is used in astrophysics.

The Davis-Greenstein papers were WAY OUT on the fringe of astrophysical theory in 1973. But were the Davis-Greenstein papers of extraterrestrial origin? Unlikely. How they happened to come fluttering down from hundreds of feet in the sky is open to conjecture. But that doesn't mean non-human intelligence was at work.

Just so, a mathematical equation appearing in a crop circle is no indication of extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence at work. We KNOW humans can and do create crop circles. We KNOW humans invented Mathematics. And there is no indication that Mathematical equations exist anywhere else in the Universe except between the ears of Human beings.

Therefore, we can safely assume that mathematical equations in a crop circle are wholly Human creations.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
Honestly, what medium would you suggest for them to contact the public wanting to know more but avoid the public not wanting to know?

Again, when the nature of the message is a WARNING, it doesn't matter who wants to know and who doesn't. When Paul Revere rode through the Massachusetts townships, shouting "The British Are Coming! Make Haste!" his message fell on the ears of both Patriots and Loyalists, okay?

When the message is a warning, there's no need to parse words — you convey a sense of urgency, and those who heed the warning will heed it.

I haven't made up my mind about the circles completely, but I strongly lean toward man-made.

That isn't what the thread is about though. It's about the information in them. I think OP brought up some very interesting information, some of which I had never heard before. With my background in molecular genetics I have to say that the 2'-5' nucleotide linkages are the most important part of this information. The possibility of a stable "alternate DNA" configuration is an awesome thing to consider. It will take me quote a long time, but I'm going to read through the journal articles presented in the OP.

With more information, current technology could synthesize alien genes and insert them into mammalian cells... Simply amazing to think about. Of course there are thousands of factors such as completely novel DNA translation machinery (macromolecules, enzymes, etc to translate genes within a unique helical structure) that would need to worked out, but by Jove it would be worth the effort. And more than likely feasible by the middle of this century.

Threads like this, with very thought provoking material are true gems. Even if after reading the scientific articles, the 2'-5' linkage doesn't look like anything useful, at least I'll have gained unique knowledge that may help in my research career one day.

Thank you OP - great post!

On a side note, I find it LoLsy that people believe in conspiracies involving fairly large groups, which would be necessary to make these circles. Then the same people refuse to believe that 9/11 could have been an inside job.

"Too many people would have to be involved and someone would have talked!", they say.


BTW if anyone in the knows how to contact circlemakers in the U.S. will you PM me. I want to find a group in the Midwest to join. I know some great places near forgotten and isolated Adena mounds. Great energy in those places just waiting to be channeled.

reply to post by VoidHawk

Carls own work repeated the belief that the length was about one billion he failed to notice that the message stated four billion. Carl had on many occasions talked about the message explaining how to read it and even having it printed. Carl was far from being a stupid man and over the years he should have noticed the error, he should have noticed it every time he looked at it but apparently he didn't.

Remember, Carl Sagan was also a MAJOR pot=head too.

Hell his widow is even one of the leaders of NORML.

The man had a lot of great ideas and Cosmos brought astronomy and the universe to the masses, but as a stoner he may well have made several errors.