UK Unemployment Corruption

Originally posted by mr-lizard
A comment from a friend on the very issue:

' I'm sure you're aware the DWP out-sources job finding responsibilities to private agencies like A4e and Injeus after 6 mths. A source working for the DWP told me they pay them £400 when you start, £2000 if they get you a job and £2000 more if you're in work 2yrs later. The laugh is you have to find my own jobs but you won't get a £4,200 bonus from the DWP if successful. '

Ex-labour MP has his finger in the money pie that is A4e, Think it is david blunkett - The blind guy, someone had an affair a few years ago?

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


Unions are not the answer, IMO....they've decimated industry over here, and they're trying to fudge things so that companies they have contracts with can't build new facilities in states that don't make union membership mandatory.

So, is there an upshot with all of this? what have we learnt? what can we do?

reply to post by Tsurugi


unions are definitely not the answer in my opinion, they are just out to line their own pockets aswell

what is the answer?

well i guess the only real answer is a change of culture, start our own business's, be innovative, and when we hire people, treat them the way we would like treated ourselves

alternatively run for election, get those 10 thousand signatures and make a stand, could you get 10 thousand signatures? could you devise a stand point on all the issues that matter to normal Britons? could you balance the country's book's?

Originally posted by Tsurugi
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Unions are not the answer, IMO....they've decimated industry over here, and they're trying to fudge things so that companies they have contracts with can't build new facilities in states that don't make union membership mandatory.

Perhaps the unions in america work differently than the unions did in the uk, but there is overwhelming evidence to support the fact that after the unions were smashed by thatcher the standard of living has dropped dramatically since 1979. with no unions to fight the corner of the working class, they work to practically pay there way and nothing more. You pay to work, not the other way around like it should be.

This is not a new phenomenon, I myself was a part of the training system way back in the very late 80s, I was earning £17 grand a year, wearing flash clothes, driving a smart car and living the life, training the unemployed, who were being paid £17 a week on top of their dole money to attend. The whole scene was full of bosses giving contracts to other firms, who just happened to be owned by their girlfriends/boyfriends, selling services to other friends and buying services from them as well, just to keep the money flowing. I have never been so highly trained in my life as we were entitled to 8 weeks a year of specialised training, all of it top notch at around £1 grand a pop. The only way a trainee could get anything better than an NVQ out of it, was to hurt their back and get written up with the doctor, then a £20 grand compensation payment ( of course we couldn't tell them that ).

We were all on the gravy train, we were being head hunted from firm to firm, and the money pit seemed bottomless. However I jumped ship about six months before the bubble burst, to have a six month holiday, by the time I was ready to go back, the market was flooded by redundant trainers, who were all struggling to get ANY work and those that did, were lucky to earn even half of what they were on. I myself ended up working for £7 thousand less than I had been on before.

The point being, the money was there then as it is now, to exploit the less fortunate, whilst blaming them for the lack of funds available to feed the elderly and sick. It truly is corruption and always has been.

reply to post by Qwenn


Wow!! Thanks for an informative post.
So many people have added so much information, its going to take a while but I will be using it for the fight.

Keep it coming people!!!

Well the one thing I would like to add in my favour, is that the trainees all realised that I was on their side above all else and that my integrety showed them that I was not an enemy. I managed to change many of their lives for the better and I am still proud of that to this day ! I was a crusader for them and I never knowingly let any of them down. I may have been meeting with Police chiefs and many other officials, but my end goal was helping them to get through things. Enough said !

Originally posted by mr-lizard
A comment from a friend on the very issue:

' I'm sure you're aware the DWP out-sources job finding responsibilities to private agencies like A4e and Injeus after 6 mths. A source working for the DWP told me they pay them £400 when you start, £2000 if they get you a job and £2000 more if you're in work 2yrs later. The laugh is you have to find my own jobs but you won't get a £4,200 bonus from the DWP if successful. '

I know a number of people who were offered jobs at companies where vacancies were found by A4e, they signed off the dole to start at their job and then a week later the job is suddenly no longer available and they had to sign back on again and were back at square one. I wonder what sort of cut these companies were given by A4e? it's rather cunning really, they could give the company £500 for taking someone on for a week and pocket £1500 easily...

I think the government have put a stop to that practice now though, I heard with FND there would be changes where people have to be working at a place for a certain period before the companies like A4e can claim their reward. but in my opinion it's only a matter of time before these companies find new ways to make money by exploiting the unemployed and at the expense of the tax payer.

reply to post by openeyeswideshut


nope your family

Originally posted by marsend
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Mate you are a Troll, get real, the whole thing is corrupt. I wont name names, but I have met many corrupt officials in one fashion or another, during my time, and yes I have worn many different types of monkey suits to make a crust .

So I'm a troll for stating that you should get of your lazy back side and go out to work instead of sitting back and expecting the state to support you???

I think you should read up on what a troll is.... deny ignorance indeed!!

Korg.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Dont wish to insult but you sound just like the psycho guy I met on the course.

One more than one voice saying the same thing, shouldn't one pay strict attention?

And why should I expect LESS when those we work for want MORE?

Stop looking at what others have, and start thinking about how you can have what you want.... perhaps a good start??

I notice not one person has clicked the star button on your post. These are not used as a reward they are used as a method of showing agreement. Maybe you need to do some thinking.

It doesn't surprise me that my view is not popular on an internet board.... the usual haunt of people with far too much time on their hands...

In addition, I would say that the truth often hurts... not many people will pat you on your back for pointing out a painful truth!!

I was surprised how far this thread went without TROLL interference..

If my post has risen emotion in you then perhaps you know deep down that maybe you should stop being a slave to the corrupt people you accuse and start being your own master...

It's your life... go and live it, it doesn't last forever!!!

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I assume you agree we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs? of course you do else you would not be expressing your own. It's just that this thread is for people like myself who's beliefs and opinions differ from yours.

It would be nice if you could go elsewhere to express yours as you cant deny you ARE disrupting this thread, not because we believe you are write but because you are simply in the way. Theres a nice chap.

reply to post by VoidHawk

hello voidhawk
i feel for you and everyone else caught up in this system. after an industrial
accident in the late eighties, no-one would touch me with a barge pole with regards
to employment. my only option was go abroad and to lie (about injuries sustained) during
the interview process. i didn't feel good about doing it but it was my only option after
receiving the same old same old 'i'm sorry but you are a potential liability' from uk
firms.
being in the construction/security industry, i have seen and been offered incentives
to 'join the club' so to speak. a simple photocopy of the degree i worked for sent
to a certain organisation would have netted me £1000. nebosh courses i would be
able to claim £250 a day and i had the option of attending at least seven of these including
travel allowance. the offer of signing up to this gravy train was tempting, however i felt
that although this was above board and legitimate, to start down this path of easy revenue
streams, i'd probably forget i was running a business and lose focus of where i was.

as soon as i took apprentices on, bang! i was hit with expensive frontloaded insurances,levies
and taxes and to claw back some of these outgoings, i would have had to bury myself deeper into
this system. both lads i took on seemed ok for a week or so until the cracks started appearing.
i had plenty of work ahead, yet these lads started sleeping in, turning in hungover and stoned
etc.. things became difficult. when i caught one stealing from a client, instead of involving
the police, i offered the client compensation (lost approx £2500) and immediately sacked the culprit. i was then threatened
with litigation from the lad and his family as well as the apprentiship body. paperwork was
a nightmare. the other apprentice just couldn't get out of bed, was always on his mobile when
he should have been working and the attitude was pathetic. my business suffered and i took
offence at the fact i had gone without many things included drawing a wage myself in order to
keep this business afloat and give others an opportunity to shine. i had to let go of this other guy when he disappeared with the pie money
on a thursday and re-appeared the following friday asking for his wages! fool.
the best workers i have had are the ones who have been through the millstone of unemployment
and financial struggle and they have gone on to better things. still mates with them but financially poorer for
it.
i continue to run my business (17 years now), assist my wife who is disabled, bring up my grandson full time shared and
assist two disabled friends sometimes on a daily basis.
regarding the option of self-employment/running a business, it is difficult initially due to
all the financial factors involved. i had saved up for a number of years to realise this.
in this climate, one has to be very flexible and also determined.

i wish you and everyone else in this pisspoor situation the very best.
regards fakedirt

So, an industry has grown around the unemployed...

This means that they need people to be unemployed to secure their employment...!

When this catch-22 benefits the profits of private companies then it's a worrying situation.

S&F

...And good luck finding a good job.

The unemployed are demonised by TPTB, they are blamed for all of the money problems in the country, but you realise a different side of it when you work with them. Yes a percentage are wasters who hate having to do anything to qualify for their cheque, but on the whole, they were intelligent and commited people, who just loved having a reason to get up in the morning and felt a sense of pride in being able to contribute to the world.

They were not all young kids either, there were much older people too, many who had spent a large proportion of their lives in regular employment, untill they were either let go, or suffered breakdowns because they had pushed themselves too hard, or had their businesses robbed at gunpoint and had been so traumatised that they had lost all of their confidence, suffered a divorce which forced them to fold their business, or had just gone bust and lost everything. They were a diverse group, but with so much to give, they showed me the respect which I had earned from them, it was a trust thing, there were not many other trainers there who had the support and trust from them as I did. I treated them as people and not numbers or bums on seats, which is what the management saw them as. The government couldn't throw enough money at them, just to contain people who had no jobs.

reply to post by jimbo999


Why indeed, why dear god why. The people didn't understand the ramifications of Thatchers privatisation scheme in the 80s.

I cant understand that people are unable to see whats really going on

Because media is in overtime mode to convince people the if you're unemployed it is your own fault. That unemployed =scrounger, scumbag, loser, ect;

My job feels fairly safe at the moment, but one never knows do they. I could come in tomorrow and be told I no longer had one, and then I would have no choice to but to sign on and receive the benefits which I, in good faith, contributed to for the many years I have been employed.

I do not disagree with the idea of a course for long term unemployed - for the real scroungers, not for people struggling to find work due to age ill health! Sometimes people just need structure.

However these "programs" are a total waste of MY money if used as a blanket to mask true unemployment figures.

As has been gloriously announced though, help is on the horizon! Mcdonalds is about to hire 2500 people...so take heart accountants, and account managers, chefs and IT professionals you will be gainfully employed again very soon!

Originally posted by Merigold

I cant understand that people are unable to see whats really going on

Because media is in overtime mode to convince people the if you're unemployed it is your own fault. That unemployed =scrounger, scumbag, loser, ect;

My job feels fairly safe at the moment, but one never knows do they. I could come in tomorrow and be told I no longer had one, and then I would have no choice to but to sign on and receive the benefits which I, in good faith, contributed to for the many years I have been employed.

I do not disagree with the idea of a course for long term unemployed - for the real scroungers, not for people struggling to find work due to age ill health! Sometimes people just need structure.

However these "programs" are a total waste of MY money if used as a blanket to mask true unemployment figures.

As has been gloriously announced though, help is on the horizon! Mcdonalds is about to hire 2500 people...so take heart accountants, and account managers, chefs and IT professionals you will be gainfully employed again very soon!

Spot on, however McDonalds will probably sack loads of established staff and add large numbers of trainees from the Job Centre training schemes, like people did when the Star Training Scheme, employers were paid a lump sum to take an unemployed person for 6 months, the employer was then given a £400 grant ( on top of the other money ) to purchase vocational training for the trainee. In vast numbers ofcases the training never took place and the employers promised the trainees that they would take them on after the trial period ended, but they would have to LIE and say that they had recieved the training. They were then offered another six month trial period untill a real job opening appeared, they were then got rid of in that time and a new Star Scheme Trainee was taken on. The Job Centre asked for no real proof of delivered training, only the trainees word of mouth that it had been delivered.

Employers got greedy and made good money with this as they would take on half a dozen trainees at a time, when they had no job openings available in the first place, but promised that a full time job would be given if the trainee showed promise in the six months trial, of course they claimed that their work was not good enough to employ them in the end.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

I assume you agree we are all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs? of course you do else you would not be expressing your own. It's just that this thread is for people like myself who's beliefs and opinions differ from yours.

It would be nice if you could go elsewhere to express yours as you cant deny you ARE disrupting this thread, not because we believe you are write but because you are simply in the way. Theres a nice chap.

So you don't agree with me so i should go else where?? Is that the sum of your logic??

No wonder you can't see my words to you were meant to help you move forward in your life....

And as for you socialistic views... Your entitled to express them, just as i am entitled to express the opposite if i so choose...

If you don't like it when people disagree with you then perhaps ats is not the place for you, cause i can assure you you will have plenty of people whom express views that differ to yours.

Korg.