9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

reply to post by septic You appear to be surprised they missed the approach. I'm not. I have been outside looking for a plane to photograph it and almost missed it. They, however, are in a busy newsroom with the biggest story ever breaking, think of the mayhem going off around them. It would be easy to miss the approach, the explosion, of course, will grab anyone's attention.

A useless outdated thread, completely ignoring the impossibilities in the case, the light poles not matching up to the NTSB Flight data recorder path, the unreleased video footage, and the CIT showing that ACTUAL witnesses agree that the "fly-over plane" took a completely different trajectory as for it to be impossible to hit the light poles knocked down.

Originally posted by Morg234 A useless outdated thread, completely ignoring the impossibilities in the case, the light poles not matching up to the NTSB Flight data recorder path, the unreleased video footage, and the CIT showing that ACTUAL witnesses agree that the "fly-over plane" took a completely different trajectory as for it to be impossible to hit the light poles knocked down.

That's interesting. Can you refer me to the " flyover" witnesses please ?

reply to post by Morg234 Here is your mistake #1: Believing that nonsense from "CIT":

....completely ignoring the impossibilities in the case, the light poles not matching up to the NTSB Flight data recorder path, the unreleased video footage, and the CIT showing that ACTUAL witnesses agree that the "fly-over plane"....

In fact, the actual "NTSB Flight data recorder path" is what puts the jet exactly where it was, in order to hit the light poles! And the Pentagon of course too. You have outdated information, if relying on the fools at "CIT".

This post is so rife with misinformation and out right lies that I can only assume you are a government shill issuing disinformation. I will focus on just one of your glaring inaccuracies. You have a picture listed in which you outline airplane debris just outside of the hole made in the outer wall of the Pentagon. You are so proud of yourself as you point out green colored debris that you miss the obvious just behind it. The hole in the wall is an extremely neat circle. There is even a "no parking" sign just a few inches to the left of the hole still attached to the wall. This sign is roughly on the same plane as the center of the hole. To educate you just a little bit on modern aviation.... airplanes have wings and tails that protrude quite a bit beyond the 13' diameter of the fuselage.There is simply no way you can produce the neat hole that is in the picture with an airplane.... of any size. the wings would have hit the building on either side of the hole and caused massive damage. Not to mention the fact that the wings are the fuel tanks. So that painted sign would have been obliterated by the ensuing inferno. And nevermind the fact that the amount of fuel said to be in those tanks would have caused an environmental disaster that would have necessitated the removal of hundreds of tons of contaminated soil. And all the fuel said to be in those talks would have created a fire ball 10 times the size of the one that is shown in the obscure random clip. And nevermind the fact that the time stamp for that footage is for the next day on... Sept. 12th..... Please stop obscuring the truth with your fanciful disinformation and lies. Forensically, it is impossible for the damage to have been created by an airplane. But a missile...... thats a different story......

reply to post by TheNephilam I am not the OP of this thread....which is an epic thread, and above reproach in its accuracy. But, to show the continued examples of misunderstanding that occurs on this topic, let me repeat just one comment of yours:

....you miss the obvious just behind it. The hole in the wall is an extremely neat circle. There is even a "no parking" sign just a few inches to the left of the hole still attached to the wall.

GO back and re-read, and pay closer attention. The photo you refer to is the EXIT hole from some of the airplane debris and force that made it into the C-Ring wall of the Pentagon, and into the alleys that exist between the rings (hence the "No Parking" sign). It is NOT the "entry" hole....that occurred on the exterior of the building. Go back a d pay closer attention.

reply to post by ProudBird And the wings and the fuel??? The lack of damage simply cannot co exist with the official story. Where are the engines?? The big ones. They are twice the height of an adult male and were no where to be found. Where are the wings????? There is no wreckage period of the wings. For the official story to hold water, they would have to be sheared off the fuselage and left outside. Forensic data refutes the official story. And you cant refute forensic data.

reply to post by TheNephilam Simply put.... if you take all the pictures of the damage... all the data collected from the "crime" scene.... and hand it over to a forensic expert with out knowledge or bias... they would simply never ever ever call it a plane strike.... ever. The damage is completely inconsistent to a strike by a large jet liner. The official story is a cloud of smoke blown right up the public kiester to cover up a false flag operation. Just one of many.

reply to post by TheNephilam I don't think you understood. The "hole" you referred to was the result of the central core of mass that managed to make it all that way. The entry damage was about 96 feet wide, in total......the majority of the airplane wreckage, including the engines (they were demolished, disintegrated, on impact) were in various locations INSIDE the building. Total wingspan of the B-757 is 124 feet, 10 inches. The primary breach at impact point was ~96 feet wide. This means that the remaining outer portions of each wingtip were demolished too, and fractured into thousands, millions of pieces. BUT, the central mass of the airplane, since it IS concentrated centrally, had a great deal of momentum. Google the .... oh heck, here's a link: Pentagon Building Performance Report. Happy reading (there is a lot to learn)......

reply to post by ProudBird Well... See... I do understand. I have seen pictures and footage of the actual impact site. And there is clearly no 96' wide damage path. It doesn't exist. But what one picture does show.... is an open book... on a chair in a 2nd floor office... directly adjacent to the damaged wall where the object penetrated the wall. Its there for all the world to see. And with 100'2 of tons of jet fuel igniting just mere feet away... how could this paper book lie untouched... in a room untouched by fire... just feet away from the impact site????? I'd love to hear the "magic bullet" theory behind that one.......

reply to post by TheNephilam

And there is clearly no 96' wide damage path.

Wrong, sorry....you have not read the PBPR that I linked....you could not have, this quickly. Also, many of the "conspiracy" sites fail to mention, nor show, the photos of the damage BEFORE the upper floors collapsed....this happened about 30 minutes after impact....and the collapse made the "entry" look "smaller". They fell down, and blocked the original gaps. Also, so WHAT if a book is laying "near" something?? That is what happens in the chaos and unpredictable nature of impacts and disasters. There is an airplane crash example, a true story, that happened in Detroit, Michigan...1986...Northwest Airlines....Flight 255. Where EVERY person but ONE onboard the airplane was killed.....only a little four-year-old girl survived. Is THAT a "conspiracy" too????

reply to post by TheNephilam

Where are the engines?? The big ones. They are twice the height of an adult male and were no where to be found. Where are the wings????? There is no wreckage period of the wings. For the official story to hold water, they would have to be sheared off the fuselage and left outside. Forensic data refutes the official story. And you cant refute forensic data.

Jet engines at Pentagon www.aerospaceweb.org... Wings shear off ...? Like where ? Here is Empire State Building (NYC) after B25 bomber hit it - Notice rather large hole punched in side of building The outer facade of ESB and Pentagon were both made from same Indiana limestone A B25 weighing less than 1/10 and travelling at 1/3 the speed left this hole Dont think a much larger plane travelling at 3 times the speed wont leave a larger hole ? Actually were 2 HOLES in outer E RING Upper hole on 2 nd floor level was created by fuselage - it was about 17 ft wide, same width as fuselage Lower hole on ground level by the wings/engines - it was about 96 ft wide . distance between engines As wings - they were shredded by the impact, the debris being spread inside the building

reply to post by ProudBird

In fact, the actual "NTSB Flight data recorder path" is what puts the jet exactly where it was, in order to hit the light poles!

Here is the NTSB animation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOrDSnsJVM The jet, based on this graphic, misses the light poles. Also, the angle of attack contradicts that of the anomalous "plane" seen in the Pentagon security camera stills.

reply to post by Morg234 lol, do some people still believe a huge passenger plane hit the pentagon? lol, thats funny no one believes that fake story anymore, I work with around 60 people from all over the UK and I can tell you this, I believe that maybe one or two of them believe a passenger hit the pentagon, the rest certainly don't. And about 98% of them believe 9/11 was an inside job. We have young people at work also, around 18/19 years old, and they are much more sceptical of the official story than the older folks. I dont think people give our youngsters the credit they deserve

reply to post by Morg234 Yes.....this link that you posted: www.youtube.com... is the FULL Flight Recorder (FDR) for that Flight, American 77, originally scheduled from KIAD to KLAX. The full version is about 90 minutes in length. It is IMPORTANT to note that the Flight Recorder is typically going to record, digitally, about 30 hours' worth of data, for any airplane that the Recorder is installed in. The one installed in American 77 DID record all of the previous information. This is well documented. A Digital FDR or, "DFDR" is far more accurate than the older versions, which used needles to scribe onto metal foil.....much like tracings of EKGs that you see on TV medical dramas. THAT is old tech....MODERN tech is solid state into memory.....which is what the FDR of American 77 had.....

reply to post by TheMindWar

lol, do some people still believe a huge passenger plane hit the pentagon? lol, thats funny

STOP "laughing", and try to have some compassion and Humanity.....and THEN check the facts. READ this thread, starting from Page #1, for starters...........

THAT is old tech....MODERN tech is solid state into memory.....which is what the FDR of American 77 had.....

reply to post by ProudBird So you are saying the FDR should be accurate then? So why do you think it would contradict the stricken light poles and what is shown in the Pentagon security stills?

Originally posted by Morg234

THAT is old tech....MODERN tech is solid state into memory.....which is what the FDR of American 77 had.....

reply to post by ProudBird

 

So you are saying the FDR should be accurate then? So why do you think it would contradict the stricken light poles and what is shown in the Pentagon security stills?

It doesn't, have a read of this :- journalof911studies.com...

reply to post by Morg234 Here....a video of the last ten minutes (or so) of American 77: Please watch, and learn......

BULLsh_t Thread. two thumbs down Is this just more fodder for the numb and dumb patri-IDIOTS to embrace? Please do explain how a tin can boeing penetrated to the 'C' RING? TRUTH not fiction designed to cause friction between east and west.... this website shows how IGNORANT many sheeple are. It dispels all the crap the patri-IDIOT who authored this thread suggests. Jesus proved ignorance fed tripe will grow up with forked tongues. namaste