9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Originally posted by LaBTop

Sasseville and the two F-15s later joined on Air Force One, while Lucky positioned her F-16 about 10 naut. mi. in front of the 747. With the SADL data link system, she was able to monitor her location relative to Sasseville's SADL-equipped F-16 positioned on Air Force One's left wing. Another flight of F-16s from Ellington AFB, Tex., were about 5 mi. in trail. They had escorted the President from Offutt AFB, Neb., according to 121st FS officers. Why the Washington-based F-16s were sent to shadow the President's aircraft back to Andrews AFB has not been disclosed. Apparently, someone in the Norad or Secret Service command loop had received information about a potential threat to the 747, prompting a request for additional armed escorts. Surrounded by fighters, Air Force One descended rapidly toward its home base. Lucky made a clearing pass over the airfield, pulled up, circled back and joined on Sasseville's wing. All of the fighters remained with the 747 until the latter landed, then climbed and established a CAP over Andrews. Despite being short of aircrews the next few days, the 121st flew continuously for about 63 hr., maintaining protective CAPs over Washington. They were aided by fighters from other ANG, Reserve and active-duty units, as well. "We were generating airplanes faster than they could put 'em up," remarked Belknap. "And we still are."

So who owned that white Learjet ? ? ?

Did you read my posts at all? I get the strong impression, that you guys not even read what is offered, you just dive on your "victim" to post your vitriol. I am not your usual victim, I am not impressed by any of your credentials, just as you should not be impressed by mine, if I ever feel the need to post them, just before I die. I know, that the CIA, NSA and several FED institutions have unregistered white business jets at their disposal, who have either extra fuel-reserve tanks build-in, or can be refueled in mid air by the flying tankers. Why don't you know that? Every pilot knows this. These planes usually are registered on phony firms, not on their real owners. When they fly those pesky psy-ops tasks, they are painted totally white, no lettering at all. "Terrorist" prisoner flights to Egypt and Eastern Europe prisons by those white and gray painted CIA Lear Jets and other brands of business type planes. The one flying around Shanksville at 10:00 a.m on 9/11, owned on paper by a Warren Buffet blue-jeans firm, is another prime example. The same Warren Buffet who "coincidentally" had that Offut Air Force Base party for CEO's organized, the same AFB that GWB flew to, after he left Florida on 9/11.

reply to post by LaBTop Those are some cool stories bro'... You obviously spend way too much time swallowing unverified crap from conspiracy sites, so it's little wonder your imagination runs into whack-o land so frequently. Unregistered Lear Jets that have a air to air refueling capability is just one of the many fallacies that are in your spider web of confused thought.... It's little wonder that you don't make sense most of the time. For your information the CIA and other Federal agencies use Charter type airlines for their much of their transport needs, not some mysterious unregistered aircraft that only you and other whack-o's that roam every freaking conspiracy site on the web know about while swallowing information from other whack-o's that make their living by writing fantastic stories made up from their imagination... How do I know what those agencies use? Because I've done that type of work in another life. It wasn't something I got from a whack-o conspiracy site writing half truths, falsehoods, and other made up crap you're so fond of.... Oh, and BTW, have at debunking me... I'd speculate that you're going to fail just as you have with your imaginary 23 degrees of bank for your imaginary NOC aircraft that struck the Pentagon at an 80-90 degree angle as well as all of the other garbage that you've abandoned in other threads. I'm sure you'll keep trying tho'. You seem to derive some type of masochistic pleasure from constantly being wrong...

You're lacking of reading comprehension shimmers through in every post of yours. Missed again my remark about CIA planes "feeding" prisoners to the torture prisons from Egypt , Ukraine and other nice dictator ruled countries? They typically like to fly in chartered jets licensed with fake corporations or corporations owned by "friends" they have a little notebook on, that the wife should not see....... I'll sum up some text from ATS posters about CIA planes : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Posted 14/12/07 : N987SA crashed several months ago, yes. There is also N900SA, the DC9 caught in Mexico in 2006, which the Mexican government says was owned by the same smuggling operation that owned N987SA. (The SA suffix on the N-numbers of both aircraft is coincidental. N900SA is numbered such because it was owned by Sky Way Aircraft, which N987SA never was.) While I suspect that you're correct—the CIA used N987SA while it was under private ownership, and then the owner later sold it to unrelated individuals—recognize also that the CIA often flips aircraft between multiple shell corporations in order to make it look like they're no longer operating the aircraft, when in reality, it's just another of dozens of shells they run. I'm not saying that's what happened, but they have done that in the past with rendition aircraft.

The Government ACKNOWLEDGES that it is chartering these flights for example for Air Mobility Command, which flies wounded or entering/leaving military personnel to or from the present war the US is constantly occupied with. (Was there any period the US was not occupied in war anywhere? ) That's where you talk about? Or are you John Lear in disguise? Which I really doubt, anyhow. He knows where he's talking about, while you do not give much away what not can be found online. Also, these government chartered flights are most of the time large jets, whereas the CIA SECRET transports are small ones. That's the flights you talk about? The public, large jets? Or were you involved in the CIA sponsored coke-flights from Columbia to Noriega in Panama? Those were large planes, lead by three radio beacons set up in the Columbian jungle, so they could fly low under the radar without loosing direction. Look up the CIA black operations firms involved in extraordinary rendition, they all follow a certain standard, their executives are often nonexistent, with recently generated social security numbers, they're registered to a legal firm's office, with no official building of their own, or they're owned by "former" CIA officers. Here's the one you can look up : Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA This plane crashed in Mexico in 2007, and there are several connections to the U.S. government throughout the history of the aircraft, including the final owners who purchased it just before the crash. Does this mean the CIA controlled the cocaine that was on board? No, not necessarily, but it's an interesting story that has interesting connections, and should be looked into. I hope you do understand that these planes do not get lettered with huge black capitals "CIA" on it. And that the CIA has enough connections to let their connection to their planes totally disappear, after any sort of accident. Some may ask themselves if you are John Lear in disguise? I really doubt that, anyhow. He knows where he's talking about, while you do not give much away what not can be found online, or asked in f.ex. a Mexican Airline's Cantina after offering some drinks to the pilots hanging around. Lot's of former military US pilots still fly there. Or for other Middle or South American Airlines. I talked to lots of them. ATS SEARCH (used " cia jet " ) About 9,530 results (0.22 seconds) CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE. Dec 14, 2007 ... CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE. This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on ... CIA paid Liverpool buyout tycoon millions to use his jet for 'torture" flights. Oct 18, 2010 ... A jet owned by a senior executive in the US firm which has bought Liverpool Football Club was chartered by the CIA and used in flights ... Navy Secretly Contracted Jets Used by CIA. Mar 13, 2008 ... The jet belongs to a part-owner of the Boston Red Sox, who told The Boston Globe that the team's logo was covered when the CIA leased the ... There are 9,527 more results in the ATS forums alone, do you want more? Or do you want me to list the Google and YouTube results, the ones where you can see the CIA business jets with your own eyes?

It should be clear now to the Forum Administrators, that something is wrong with the formatting of our posts. Not only mine, Reheats above one also has no formatting, it's just delivering one blocks of sentences. I use Firefox.

reply to post by LaBTop I hope you realize that you should be more careful talking about all of this secret stuff... You just never know who might be reading these forums... They don't like it when you know too much, so have to be careful... If I get to know you well enough, I'll allow you to come and see my G 650 with refueling capability.. It's just out back in my garage/hanger... It's easy for someone like me to get one of these jobs because we already know how to air-to-air refuel. Consequently, they save training costs that way... We'll have to see how it goes before I can show it to you..... I have to trust you first.... ETA: BTW, I don't own the G 650, but since I do live in a suitable place it stay here close by... I sometimes have to respond very quickly...

reply to post by LaBTop

this post about the then NEXCOM operated gas station on a hill SOUTH of the Pentagon, with it's security camera that had an unhindered view on it's west wall, that contained coverage of a 757 airliner slamming in the side of the Pentagon. The gas station's crew who had first reviewed that footage, later handed the tape over to the FBI on their own initiative. This is NOT the CITGO station, which is located WEST of the Pentagon, and surely not on a hill. And where the FBI came within minutes to confiscate their security camera tape. That footage probably had a too sharp view at the attack path, and showed irrevocably that AA 77 came from a NoC flight path, and that's why this footage was "disappeared".

I'm guessing that you've never personally visited the Pentagon? There is no "other" gas station to the South. And, your claims about the footage are mere speculation. If clear footage DID exist, it would have been shown to the public, by now.

Originally posted by ProudBird reply to post by LaBTop

 

this post about the then NEXCOM operated gas station on a hill SOUTH of the Pentagon, with it's security camera that had an unhindered view on it's west wall, that contained coverage of a 757 airliner slamming in the side of the Pentagon. The gas station's crew who had first reviewed that footage, later handed the tape over to the FBI on their own initiative. This is NOT the CITGO station, which is located WEST of the Pentagon, and surely not on a hill. And where the FBI came within minutes to confiscate their security camera tape. That footage probably had a too sharp view at the attack path, and showed irrevocably that AA 77 came from a NoC flight path, and that's why this footage was "disappeared".

I'm guessing that you've never personally visited the Pentagon? There is no "other" gas station to the South. And, your claims about the footage are mere speculation. If clear footage DID exist, it would have been shown to the public, by now.

That's what I thought... There are two agencies that operate retail facilities that cater to military personnel only. AAFES (Army/Air Force Exchange Service) and NEX (Navy Exchange) are the only two. It's my guess the Citgo was operated by NEX as opposed to AAFES...

reply to post by ProudBird Well, they are really operating at full disclosure at the FBI. From the 85 videos they admitted to possess they gave the CITGO video and the Double Tree Hotel video to the FOIA applicants, with a nice letter that an FBI lady had viewed all other 83 videos, and couldn't find any with a plane in it. And who is she, to decide that she is such a professional, that she can decide for the WHOLE WORLD what videos are of interest. I found that flash in the CITGO video, exactly at the moment that we see Lagasse after that flash run around his car, drive backwards, turn and speed out of the entrance. It is also the moment that all visitors inside the cashier area, all start running to the eastern exit door, to go look at the Pentagon. That lady at the FBI had not even noticed that clear evidence that either the plane passed on the north side, and/or the plane impacted at the west wall which can be clearly seen from that eastern CITGO exit door. The CITGO cashier area looks out to the north, from under the northern canopy. She also acts as if she did not know that the most important video camera at the CITGO, the one under the northern canopy rim's west side, which was aimed exactly at the flight path of the attacking plane, was REMOVED right after 9/11. And more interesting, the pictures from that camera are not to be found in the footage that was released by the FBI. Ain't that STRANGE at all? We also know from the earliest news flashes, that personnel at the Sheraton Hotel reviewed their security tapes, and then the FBI came bursting in and took the tapes. We want to see those tapes. We also want to see all the tapes from that security video-room beside the Main Entrance in the Pentagon. The ones that the Colonel reviewed in awe after he ran inside there, seconds after impact. And the VDOT masts tapes, and the tapes from all these video cameras I showed you already in photos that were shot within 1 to 3 minutes after the Pentagon impact. Which had a perfect view at the Pentagon's west wall. We also want the footage of those Navy Annex security cameras fixed along the roof rim of the 8th Wing. These must have had crisp pictures of the attacking plane, so sharp that we could count the rivets on the fuselage. Since it flew over those cameras at about 50 feet (15 meter) distance in height. Come on man, are you really such a perfect citizen that you unequivocally trust everything your governments (principally a bunch of proven liars, proven for many years and decades already) throws at you? Not a shimmer of a doubt? Only already my linked-to photos with those black, half-moon shaped security cameras, hanging from reversed-U-shaped iron bars on the roof rim of the 8th Annex Wing should start you thinking : where the heck is THAT footage.....? If that hasn't the plane on it, I'll eat my shoes.

reply to post by LaBTop As opposed to going into a rant to disguise your made up lie, it would have been honorable if you admitted your dishonesty at inventing an gas station South of the Pentagon. That's convincing evidence that you're exactly like every other truther that I've ever seen post... Dishonest to the very bone....

Originally posted by Reheat reply to post by LaBTop

 

As opposed to going into a rant to disguise your made up lie, it would have been honorable if you admitted your dishonesty at inventing an gas station South of the Pentagon. That's convincing evidence that you're exactly like every other truther that I've ever seen post... Dishonest to the very bone....

Again, you seem to like to miss every little detail you can avoid. I asked in the original post, if someone knew of a southernly gas station with unrestricted view on the Pentagon west wall and lawn area. And if I remember right, I just gave you about 9000 reasons why your earlier insults are a bunch of baloney. Just like this one again. And I gave you the link to the Aviation Week issues, that brought that story I meticulously typed out in 2007 for my readers, and about which you felt the need to already insult me again. As usual. You should apologize for your shortsighted reading skills, if you can't even read the source I added in 2007 already for my mysterious white plane appearances on 9/11. You know, who's clearly dishonest to the bone here. Use a mirror. By the way, those lines were just a small part of the rest I posted, which as usual, you totally neglect, because as usual also, you have no reply................................................................................................................................................. New Document Provides Further Evidence That Owner of Crashed Cocaine Jet Was a U.S. Government Operative. Signatures Link Florida Pilot Greg Smith to DEA/FBI/CIA Operations in Colombia. ...................................................................................................................................................... ........................................... I feel the need to alert the readers on the obvious : Reheat does not READ the source of the posts he reacts on, he just starts ranting and insulting everyone, every time, again and again. He will not bring any form of solid argumentation to the bench, just an endless row of insults. It's getting tiresome. And annoying to no end. Do you agree that I did include a source for my page 199 and 200 posts? Can you even bring yourself to admit it and offer a tiny little excuse?

reply to post by LaBTop

I asked in the original post, if someone knew of a southernly gas station with unrestricted view on the Pentagon west wall and lawn area.

There is not one. I should know, used to live nearby, and know the area very, very well. Anyone can use that modern tool called "Google Maps" and see for themselves.

Originally posted by LaBTop

Originally posted by Reheat reply to post by LaBTop

 

As opposed to going into a rant to disguise your made up lie, it would have been honorable if you admitted your dishonesty at inventing an gas station South of the Pentagon. That's convincing evidence that you're exactly like every other truther that I've ever seen post... Dishonest to the very bone....

Again, you seem to like to miss every little detail you can avoid. I asked in the original post, if someone knew of a southernly gas station with unrestricted view on the Pentagon west wall and lawn area.

NO you didn't. Here's the quote "You probably also missed this post about the then NEXCOM operated gas station on a hill SOUTH of the Pentagon, with it's security camera that had an unhindered view on it's west wall, that contained coverage of a 757 airliner slamming in the side of the Pentagon. The gas station's crew who had first reviewed that footage, later handed the tape over to the FBI on their own initiative. This is NOT the CITGO station, which is located WEST of the Pentagon, and surely not on a hill. And where the FBI came within minutes to confiscate their security camera tape." There are no question marks in that material and there are no qualifying words. It was a statement and a LIE You've been caught and documented again...

Originally posted by Reheat

Originally posted by LaBTop

Originally posted by Reheat reply to post by LaBTop

 

As opposed to going into a rant to disguise your made up lie, it would have been honorable if you admitted your dishonesty at inventing an gas station South of the Pentagon. That's convincing evidence that you're exactly like every other truther that I've ever seen post... Dishonest to the very bone....

Again, you seem to like to miss every little detail you can avoid. I asked in the original post, if someone knew of a southernly gas station with unrestricted view on the Pentagon west wall and lawn area.

NO you didn't. Here's the quote "You probably also missed this post about the then NEXCOM operated gas station on a hill SOUTH of the Pentagon, with it's security camera that had an unhindered view on it's west wall, that contained coverage of a 757 airliner slamming in the side of the Pentagon. The gas station's crew who had first reviewed that footage, later handed the tape over to the FBI on their own initiative. This is NOT the CITGO station, which is located WEST of the Pentagon, and surely not on a hill. And where the FBI came within minutes to confiscate their security camera tape." There are no question marks in that material and there are no qualifying words. It was a statement and a LIE You've been caught and documented again...

Quod erat demonstrandum. ! How utterly nice of you to top my last remarks about you, off with this masterpiece. You just demonstrated again, to not be able to go and physically read my 2007 posts at page 199 and 200. My post at page 199 (in 2007) of this same thread :

The following comment comes from this site : the-movement.com :

NEX camera captures Pentagon crash. Security cameras at a NEXCOM-operated gas station recorded the Sept. 11 crash of a hijacked passenger airliner into the Pentagon, Navy sources have said. The security tape, which sources said clearly shows the American Airlines jet ploughing into the building and exploding, was turned over to the FBI. The gas station is located on a hill south of the Pentagon. Its security camera is aimed to record cars coming and going from the gas pumps. The angle of the camera gives a clear view of the side of the Pentagon where the 757 jet hit, sources said. The tape’s existence has not been discussed publicly by military officials or federal investigators.

This is a very vague comment, the real link has been changed, deleted, altered, whatever. However, if this is true, it seems that it is not the CITGO gasstation at the west of the Pentagon, which is not located on a hill, and is only accessible by Pentagon personnel. And that NAVY personnel have first seen the tape, and they perhaps advized to turn it in to the FBI. This one is located to the south, and states that it handed over tapes to the FBI, not that the FBI came and took them within minutes, like at the CITGO station. The poster at the time thought however it was the CITGO gas station, since he also included the story from another source which is still accessible, about mr. Velasquez from the CITGO station explaining the FBI came within minutes to confiscate his tapes. Can any ATS member from the Washington area confirm that there was/is a NEXCOM gasstation at that spot?

This the-movement.com link is defunct, as I said before, like so many of the early days after 9/11. I just told you that the camera at the CITGO which had a straight view on the west wall its impact point, was removed shortly after 9/11, and its footage was replaced by a double sized camera window of the cashier area. Does anybody really think that camera was not working? Ask Robert Turcios, or Mr Velasquez, the manager of that station on 9/11. They both have told reporters that that camera was operative and had an active window on their camera panel inside the cashier area.

reply to post by LaBTop So, I'm suppose to go and read your garbage from 5 years ago! No thanks. You've obviously posted stuff that is unverified i.e. hearsay as if it were fact. It's all hearsay and speculation which is all truthers ever have in the way of "evidence"... No thanks. Haven't you ever learned not to perpetuate rumors and hearsay? Obviously not... I'm through with you today... You have no credibility for anything you post, so it doesn't matter. I don't need to be bothered to refute anything you say. It quite obvious to everyone that you don't know what you're talking about and never have. ETA: There's still no question that you said you asked. Surprise, surprise.

Reheat : ETA: There's still no question that you said you asked. Surprise, surprise.

Ahh, I see one of your personal problems, aside from many more you're not aware of, you must be color blind. This 2007 text by me was in red, so, now I repeat it for you in yellow : Can any ATS member from the Washington area confirm that there was/is a NEXCOM gasstation at that spot? ................................................................................................................................ Well, let us recap all the questions I asked and you did not answer, and all the questions you asked, and I did answer, so we at last get a clear picture how JREF thread derailers operate at forums like the ATS 9/11 Conspiracy and General Conspiracy forums : My first post in page 299 : 1. How many cameras do you think were installed and working on 9/11/2001 ? 2. So, what's your guess? 3. Isn't that a tad bit strange, that we never heard any word anymore about that Pentagon security video room? 4. And the taping of those security cameras? I asked 4 questions, my JREF fanclub answered : NONE............................................. Alfie1 : his next post totally neglects my questions and my position : that I am sure that AA 77 really flew into the Pentagon. Only not at the official angle of 42° to the west wall line. They know my position, but keep acting as if they don't know that. ProudBird : his post is fully unclear to me, has nothing to do with my first 4 questions. Alfie1 : goes on about a well-known fact, that AA 77 was on its way to the Pentagon. My next post explains where they can find all the info about that video room and the white Lear Jet. My questions in that post : 1. Had the white plane no transponder on, or did it have stealth properties? 2. How could it be that it was seen only 60 miles away from AF1 ? 3. The sky, around that time in late afternoon, in ALL of the USA, was as good as totally empty, as never had been seen before, and all these experienced guys miss ONE Lear Jet in that EMPTY sky, until it nearly reached AF1...??? I asked 3 questions, my JREF fanclub answered : NONE............................................... Then Reheat turns up. As usual as friendly as can be. He asked a few questions, which have just before been answered already by me, and he would have known them, if he would have done to what I said, to go read my posts at page 199 and 200. Reheat: 1. Hi, Labtop... Where have you been? (None of your business) 2. Do you mind listing a source for the Lear Jet near AF 1 story? (I just did, genius) 3. Why is it that you seem to be the only one who has ever mentioned this encounter? (Because you are not the center of the earth, dear, all the subscribers to Aviation Weekly knew of it, get one too, pilots and ex-pilots seem to form the bulk of them) 4. Have you decided to abandon your other threads? (No, I work steadily onwards debunking you guys, at my own pace, you can't push me. Idiot posts, already answered a trillion times, I do not react on, that's a waste of time) Not one answer to my now 7 questions, as you may have noted. ProudBird homes in, making fun of me, again, he could have known already that he made himself the laughing stock, if he would have read page 199 and 200 first, as I said. Clearly also not a thorough reader, more of a wolf pack member. 1. A Lear Jet??? 2. OK....you're on....GO!!! (Grabbing popcorn for the show....)..... Reheat again : 1. Oh, wow! I missed this the first time. Very interesting. Who refuels this one of a kind aircraft? My next post gives them again the source of my remarks. Aviation Weekly. In three of their weekly issues. Lost energy, they do not WANT to read it. They have only one goal at this forum, and that's not reading links or giving solid arguments, only nagging and bullying. Only ProudBird likes too much to lecture on aviation subjects, luckily. Btw, I gave this link in my post, with hundreds of extra questions to answer : www.oilempire.us... My next post begins with another question : 1. Did you read my posts at all? And SIX posts by Reheat later, he at last admits he does not read my links and sources :

So, I'm suppose to go and read your garbage from 5 years ago! No thanks. You've obviously posted stuff that is unverified i.e. hearsay as if it were fact. It's all hearsay and speculation which is all truthers ever have in the way of "evidence"... No thanks. Haven't you ever learned not to perpetuate rumors and hearsay? Obviously not... I'm through with you today... You have no credibility for anything you post, so it doesn't matter. I don't need to be bothered to refute anything you say. It quite obvious to everyone that you don't know what you're talking about and never have. ETA: There's still no question that you said you asked. Surprise, surprise.

Can you imagine, the guy is so cocky that he dares to call Aviation Weekly its interviews with the pilots flying intercept missions on 9/11, garbage, unverified, hearsay, speculation, rumors, in other words unreliable sources. And he has no answer when I confront him with 9000 links to CIA jets. After that I asked even more intriguing questions, which NONE of them answered. They both keep on nagging about my link to that southernly gas station. Which I asked in 2007 already if there was one. Proudbird gives at least an answer, there was no such one in 2001, according to him. You, Reheat, have a wicked (in the childish sense of the word) mind, and that is by now so obvious, that I think you have done enough to loose any form of respect from the readers of this forum. My job is done here, I will post my rebuttal to your far too simple and misleading sig-link now. Let me think a bit where I will do that. That will give you time to post some more unsubstantial vitriol here. I think my Watergate thread could be appropriate, you posted so many insults there, and not one serious calculation of your own to show us that you know enough about aviation calculations to offer an argument to your usual insults-spouting. You were not bright enough to calculate for yourself or understood my calculations that showed that AA 77 did indeed depart from the usual departure gate, D 26. You or ProudBird could not give any reason why these 2 pilots performed such strange multiple re-alignments in their cockpit on the taxi-lanes at Dulles Airport, on their way to Runway 32. As can be extracted from the recovered FDR at the Pentagon. I found that quite strange for such experienced pilots that you say you are. There must have been a common cause for it, or an extraordinary one. If I believe your credentials, we must conclude that it was highly abnormal behavior, adding another mystery to that mysterious flight of AA 77. These experienced pilots must have known that the moment the plane would lift off from the runway, the automatic radio-beacon alignment with Dulles would begin, and any eventual mis-alignment would be corrected in the next 30 seconds. There was indeed a more than 3000 feet positional error present in that FDR, and by Tumetufaisdubien at PfTruth corrected into nearly-correct, but still many meters off-positions on the taxi lanes, and then by me corrected for the exact positions on those taxi lanes and the runway, and at the departure gate, D 26.

reply to post by LaBTop YES:

Can any ATS member from the Washington area confirm that there was/is a NEXCOM gasstation at that spot?

There is now, and was then, only ONE gas station near the Pentagon....and this gas station was NOT....I repeat NOT a place where any civilian could get gasoline (petrol). I can testify to this fact. I ask again, "LaBTop"...."HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO WASHINGTON D.C.??????" Answer the question.

reply to post by LaBTop So, you asked a question about 5 years ago, didn't get an answer, but then 5 years later posted what you wanted the answer to be even tho' it was wrong... That's a great way to do things "truther". That is known as spreading hearsay and it's dead WRONG. The white Lear Jet story is different, but in your muddled mind you assume it's the same... I may be... I had never heard that story, probably because it was a non-issue, but you invent a scenario about air-to-air refueling or extended fuel tanks to add to the intrigue. That is also known as spreading hearsay speculation... Contrary to your delusions there are no airborne refuelable Lear Jets and extra tanks to allow one to fly that long are impossible. You simply want to make that part of your conspiracy while I will determine the real story about it... I should have the ATC transcripts later... The USAF operates the C-21 (a standard Lear 35A) and I expect to find that's what it was. Perfectly legitimate. I'll post the results later.... I have little time or inclination to deal with your nonsense today as I'm busy... Your twisted unreliable garbage is irrelevant anyway, so nothing is lost.. Keep posting tho', it's enjoyable to see such a failure in action...

reply to post by Reheat You are telling me that there are still people "debating" whether or not a 757 hit the Pentagon here? I reckon there is no fix for stupid.

Originally posted by 911files reply to post by Reheat

 

You are telling me that there are still people "debating" whether or not a 757 hit the Pentagon here? I reckon there is no fix for stupid.

Well yes, there are still a few... Stick around and you'll learn even more... Things like the Agency flying unmarked stealth Lears with air-to-air refueling capability and not talking to ATC on 9/11. Wy one even got within 60 nm of AF 1. Supposedly it was intercepted as a hostile aircraft, but the ATC and NEADS (which included AWACS) audio tapes don't confirm that... Silence, silence I tell you. I guess that's why they call this place Above Top Secret. It's obviously above my clearance level, so I can't even hear it on the primary source of the tapes... Seems the only non-fighter aircraft anywhere within the same Country as AF 1 was a lifeguard flight on an authorized emergency mission to the east coast. But, you know how rumors are. They spread faster than cold germs at a Church picnic here....

Wow, amazin OP. I still have questions, but some of the more sorry attempts at debunking it did as good of a job of highlighting the weakness of the 'no plane' theory. So, is the no plane theory perpetuated as a way to take attention away from twin towers, tower 7, etc?