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Ah because there was nothing to stop it You see genius there are no walls between the rings on the 2 lowest floors
BULLsh_t Thread. two thumbs down Is this just more fodder for the numb and dumb patri-IDIOTS to embrace? Please do explain how a tin can boeing penetrated to the 'C' RING?
Plane would only need to penetrate the outermost (E ring) and the debris after slidding through the building to punch out the C ring wall The Pentagon walls are made of brick with a facade of cut limestone on the outermost E Ring wall So who is the IDIOT Now .....
Floor Space Between Facade and C-Ring is Mostly Unobstructed On the first and second floors, the Pentagon has continuous interior space extending from the facade to the inner-facing wall of the C-Ring, joining the C-, D-, and E-Rings. This is because the light wells between the C- and D-Rings and between the D- and E-Rings only descend to the bottom of the third floor. The only structural elements interrupting this space are columns apparently spaced on 10-foot centers along the direction perpendicular to the facade, with each first-floor column having a square cross-section measuring 21 inches on a side. A figure on the left shows a path from the center of the facade impact puncture to the center of the C-Ring punch-out hole. That path could describe the path of fuselage debris from the facade to the C-Ring wall, where it could have produced the punch-out hole. It shows that there was a narrow path for that debris between the columns left standing by the crash.
Any proof??
Very true but There are over 300 cameras situated around the outside of the Pentagon.
www.911hardfacts.com...
According to the official account, an unidentified aircraft that somebody randomly decided was 'Flight 77' (remember, the transponder needed to identify the aircraft had been turned off) then suddenly pops up over Washington DC out of nowhere and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which "Hanjour" allegedly levels out at ground level. The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O'Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, 'The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.'" (ABC News, 10/24/2001, also archived at www.cooperativeresearch.org) The official story of Hanjour's flight path continues in an even more bizarre narrative. Having successfully entered D.C. airspace, with no idea how soon fighter aircraft would show up to shoot him down, he finds himself pointed in the ideal direction toward the East wing of the Pentagon, where all the top brass in the military are known to be stationed. But then he apparently changes his mind as to his heading, and pulls off that incredible, sweeping 270-degree descending turn at 400+mph to approach the Pentagon from the opposite direction. There, he inexplicably lines up the less valued West wing, which was miraculously scheduled to receive the finishing touches of extensive bomb-blast retrofitting the next day, September 12, leaving it conveniently empty of most of its military employees. "The section known as Wedge 1 (the West Wing) had been under renovation and was scheduled for final completion on Wednesday, September 12th, 2001."
OK....you're on....GO!!! (Grabbing popcorn for the show....).....
and about the white Lear Jet which was already the whole day in the air, after all planes were ordered down. It had not landed in between these hours, thus must have been refueled in the air.
Oh, wow! I missed this the first time. Very interesting. Who refuels this one of a kind aircraft?
Originally posted by LaBTop and about the white Lear Jet which was already the whole day in the air, after all planes were ordered down. It had not landed in between these hours, thus must have been refueled in the air.
Again, act as if it's the usual selective reading problem with all JREF-debunkers here. (Oh dear, can't find a linky.) However I don't think so, it's their latest technique to play dumb, to force you to do as much typing work as can be, to keep you off the real research, which is still developing. OMG, there are also numerous paper printed-only sources, you misinformed mis-argumentation-geniuses. By the way, Reheat, I have completed a long rebuttal of your signature link, I'll post it shortly after, then add that post to my signature (WISDOMwillWIN). So it will occur from then on also in my signature as a link, and thus also in this post. And I answer posts in my own pace. And do research to counter your task-force its few-liner arguments with solid rebuttals, that make it clear to the readers, that your task in this forum obviously is to post as many few-liners in as short a period as you all can manage in a 12 hours working day. Without any proper argumentation, or backed by your own research. I will answer all these posts that as usual have the bulk of disinformation in it, and drive that drivel into the ground, as usual. Btw, it's showing lately a tad bit too clear, that none of you JREF-debunkers taskforce participants here, do ever address the real arguments in the threads and posts, you try to derail. And flood with drivel with no substance AT ALL. As is perfectly demonstrated again by your above posts. You all act as if you did not READ what I offered you on a plate : Page 199, this post :
Originally posted by Reheat reply to post by LaBTopHi, Labtop... Where have you been? Do you mind listing a source for the Lear Jet near AF 1 story? Why is it that you seem to be the only one who has ever mentioned this encounter? I have never heard of that before.... Have you decided to abandon your other threads? Can't say that I can't blame you!
This is not online, so I typed it out : F-16 Pilots Considered Ramming Flight 93 By William B. Scott / Aviation Week & Space Technology September 9, 2002
Source :
Editor's Note: This is Part 3 of an ongoing special report on how the military responded to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Earlier articles appeared in the June 3 and June 10 issues.
And a moderator should order you to stop spreading such obvious lies as you post multiple times lately. I DID NOT WRITE THAT LINE, NOR DID I INVENT A LEARJET. It's called SMEAR-TACTICS in my circles. That red line is from that weekly issued Aviation Week & Space Technology publication, NOT from me! You also did not read this post about the myriad of identified helicopters and light aircraft who did not know yet what had happened in the early morning. These intercepts were however a long time over already at the time of GWB return to Washington DC. You, as identifying yourself as an experienced former jet fighter pilot, do know perfectly what is so strange in that remark. It was not identified before it was in a 60 miles circle around Air Force One, by AWACS or FAA controllers at Reagan National, who were "BullsEye" for the Pentagon area protection task. Especially the remark that it had not yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. And that order was given around 09:30 in the early morning.! A Lear Jet can't fly around from before 09:30 a.m. up to 17:30 p.m. (8 hrs) without refueling in the air (since the article says: had not yet landed) or carrying a huge extra tank on board. That was a hell of a strange encounter for Air Force One, and the AWACS operators knew it. And they directly identified it as a thread to AF One. You act dumb, or you are...whatever..?!
Originally posted by LaBTop
In the afternoon, Sasseville and Lucky were flying their second mission of the day--armed with AIM-9 missiles now--when they were told to contact an AWACS aircraft in the area and "expect special tasking." They were directed to fly a 280-deg. heading for 140 naut. mi.--almost due west of Washington. Unable to communicate by secure or encrypted means, the AWACS controller lowered his voice and told Sasseville via radio they were going to "escort Air Force One," President Bush's aircraft. Two Langley F-15s offered to go along, and Sasseville concurred. Soon, an AWACS controller reported a fast-moving, unidentified aircraft southwest of Air Force One, approximately 60 naut. mi. away, but on a "cutoff vector" to the President's Boeing 747. It was above 40,000 ft. and the 747 was "in the 20,000-ft. range," but Sasseville sent the F-15s to intercept the unknown aircraft. It was a Learjet that had not yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air.
You probably also did not read anything else on page 199 of my extensive posts there, and missed this very interesting link : www.oilempire.us... It's quite a read, with hundreds of questions about 9/11 which have never been answered by any US government to this date. You probably also missed this post about the then NEXCOM operated gas station on a hill SOUTH of the Pentagon, with it's security camera that had an unhindered view on it's west wall, that contained coverage of a 757 airliner slamming in the side of the Pentagon. The gas station's crew who had first reviewed that footage, later handed the tape over to the FBI on their own initiative. This is NOT the CITGO station, which is located WEST of the Pentagon, and surely not on a hill. And where the FBI came within minutes to confiscate their security camera tape. That footage probably had a too sharp view at the attack path, and showed irrevocably that AA 77 came from a NoC flight path, and that's why this footage was "disappeared". Btw, strange ain't it? All my interesting links from those early years are for the most part defunct by now. They certainly were not at the time of posting. I again advice the readers, to re-read my page 199 and 200 posts. There is a lot of extra good information in them.
"The FAA controllers were doing their best to get us information [about unidentified aircraft], but we were used to working with AWACS and their weapons directors and controllers," Rasmussen said. Eventually, Washington Reagan National Airport was designated "Bullseye," and fighters were given range and bearing to targets from there. Possibly the highest ranking pilot in the area, Sasseville "essentially declared myself the CAP [combat air patrol] commander and set up deconfliction altitudes so we didn't run into each other. There really wasn't time for niceties." For the rest of the day, a dozen or so fighters rotated in and out of the region, running intercepts on myriad helicopters and light aircraft.