Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

reply to post by thehoneycomb


I think it goes a lot deeper than that. A group may use one political ideology as a means of obtaining a goal, without sincerely supporting the ideology. That's been happening for years and is happening now. Take the USSR for example, where Communism turned into a horrific, genocidal Dictatorship.

The Freikorp and Hitler were all about fighting these Jewish Bolshevik-Communists/Trotzkyites who were, and are, still a very dangerous force. They had succeeded in taking over a huge country along with massive resources and were committing genocide on the population. Can you imagine that happening so close to your country? Hitler's use of Socialism was a specific means to fight against them.

This is explained in 'Red Symphony' which has the exact recorded transcript of the questioning of Khristian Georgievitch Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolshevism, intimate of Trotsky's and former Soviet ambassador to Paris, by the NKVD (Stalin's Secret Police) on 26th January, 1938. It was taken during the period of the trials of the Trotzkyites:

"Rak. - The force which draws humanity towards Communism is so unconquerable that that same force, but distorted, opposed to itself, can only achieve a slowing down of development; more accurately - to slow down the progress of the permanent revolution.

NKVD. - An example?

Rak. - The most obvious - with Hitler. He needed Socialism for victory over Socialism: it is this his very anti-Socialist Socialism which is National-Socialism. Stalin needs Communism in order to defeat Communism. The parallel is obvious. But, notwithstanding Hitler's anti-Socialism and Stalin's anti-Communism, both, to their regret and against their will, transcendentally create Socialism and Communism ...; they and many others. Whether they want it or not, whether they know it or not, but they create formal Socialism and Communism, which we, the Communist-Marxists, must inevitably inherit."

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reply to post by MrXYZ

Well, give that OWS is against Wall Street using $75 trillion of taxpayer money as collateral for their risky bets WITHOUT having to work for it, I'd say he accurately described Wall Street...not OWS. Even more so because they buy politicians to get around having to properly compete with the rest of the economy.

What do you mean? All bets involve risk and require capital to partake. You must be speaking of the corruption of those who used insider trading to elect Obama? Or were you just stepping in to defend the Unions who should be getting paid to work rather then getting paid to throw a hissy fit?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I gave many examples in most of my posts, so what is the reason to rehash everything for you? If you don't know what *unethical* is then look it up in the dictionary. Hopefully the meaning has not been perverted like socialism has. .

Socialists want free abortions care of the tax payer. Need I say more?

I think they do a pretty good job at being perverted and tarnishing their own image. They certainly don't need my help.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Personal greed is a capitalist trait, not a socialist or communist trait. The left encourages big government and sharing wealth and happiness. Those that want everything for themselves and couldn't give a rats ass about others are conservatives.

Actually the real greedy ones are the ones advocating socialism, such as yourself.
The only bankers who have been shown to be corrupt and funneling money through wall street were pumping money into Obamas campaign and were advocating socialism.

reply to post by rottensociety

Whether they want it or not, whether they know it or not, but they create formal Socialism and Communism, which we, the Communist-Marxists, must inevitably inherit."

I am not sure if I am understanding your logic. But you said that the communist marxists, must inherit their wrongdoings and short comings?



Funny and true.

Originally posted by rottensociety
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they and many others. Whether they want it or not, whether they know it or not, but they create formal Socialism and Communism, which we, the Communist-Marxists, must inevitably inherit."

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You inherit what other socialist/communists do simply because your system ALWAYS transforms into socialist dictatorships. It is that simply, no ifs, or buts about it.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


As do all other types of governments including capitalism (just at a slower rate as it has to be gradual) when left unchecked long enough.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


I see you are still kicking this straw man?

It is funny because Hitler was fully right wing in all his gripes about the German State.

Hitler sounds like conservative ATS


"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and
rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might,
and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order!
Without it our nation cannot survive." ADOLF HITLER

HITLER, IS THAT YOU?

I have pointed them out to you, yet you ignore them. So for 17 pages you practice

the method of non other than Goebbels himself, again using the tactic of NAZI
memorabilia, to prove that other are NAZIS


"They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. ... a little one; and if you repeat
it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it..." JOSEPH GOEBBELS

IS YOUR NAME ADOLF GOEBBELS?

I'll be back on page 38, continue imitating your grandpa

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

As do all other types of governments including capitalism (just at a slower rate as it has to be gradual) when left unchecked long enough.

Nope, as long as the government doesn't intervene in business, Capitalism does well by itself.

What happened during the old wild west when the government began puting it's nose on businesses such as the railroad?

Capitalism by itself does fine. The more or less civilized tribes, and clans would flourish through Capitalism, that is until governments put their noses where it didn't belong and businesses where then given to just a few, out of favoritism.

Capitalism does well and fine by itself without government intervention.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

As do all other types of governments including capitalism (just at a slower rate as it has to be gradual) when left unchecked long enough.

Nope, as long as the government doesn't intervene in business, Capitalism does well by itself.

What happened during the old wild west when the government began puting it's nose on businesses such as the railroad?

Nice example! The railroads would send chinamen over gulches and blow them up
routinely!

Capitalism by itself does fine. The more or less civilized tribes, and clans would flourish through Capitalism, that is until governments put their noses where it didn't belong and businesses where then given to just a few, out of favoritism.

Capitalism does well and fine by itself without government intervention.

Unbridled capitalism, just like unbridled communism leads to monopoly and tyranny.

reply to post by mastahunta


My Grandpa fought in WWII against the Nazi's.

But thanks for asking.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Nice example! The railroads would send chinamen over gulches and blow them up
routinely!

Unbridled capitalism, just like unbridled communism leads to monopoly and tyranny.

WRONG, a FREE MARKET system doesn't mean "government intervention"... When the government intervenes in businesses that is socialism, or corpocratism, not Capitalism.

Even corpocratism is a branch of socialism because the government intervenes.

What all genocidal nut-jobs of History have in common is that they are collectivists.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


No.. you forget about the other problem. When business starts putting it's nose in government.

reply to post by mastahunta


Yep.. and the long term process makes it worse actually. It becomes so deeply imbedded and shrouded in secrecy. I prefer the oppressor that is universally disliked and widely known over the veiled propaganda artist upheld by corruption and fools.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


What about when government puts its nose in business?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Capitalism has the same problems when you make your way to it's outer edges that socialism does on the opposite ends. The people in both extremes will have an almost indistinguishable standard of living.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


It is necessary at times because businesses become corrupt and bad for the employees.
Just a fact. You have to meet somewhere in the middle and have people very active in the government to have true freedom and a decent functioning government.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Last I checked, businesses, not even corporations have any power over me.

But the government on the other hand wants to make my decisions for me.

Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

I see you are still kicking this straw man?

It is funny because Hitler was fully right wing in all his gripes about the German State.

Hitler sounds like conservative ATS


"The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and
rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might,
and the Republic is in danger. Yes - danger from within and without. We need law and order!
Without it our nation cannot survive." ADOLF HITLER

HITLER, IS THAT YOU?

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You know what is actually funny? Your ignorance on the topic...

Hitler made SIMILAR speeches, but they were all PRO-SOCIALIST...

REAL seeches Hitler made were for example...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

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Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

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Hitler also wanted Germans to become vegetarians, and programs like the youth movement, and other youth programs can be found in EVERY other form of socialist dictatorship, exactly like Hitler's youth.

So you see....Hitler was a SOCIALIST...