Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by earthdude

 

Lumping all socialists in with Hitler is just plain wrong. Israel was founded on socialism. Jesus was a socialist.

I suppose you came to this thread with supporting evidence of those two outrageous claims?

Claim one: www.academickids.com...
Claim two: Read what Jesus says, it is in the bible.
Glad I could help, but take this info with a grain of salt, it could be a lie.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Humm, let's actually see whose ignorance is really astounding shall we?...

Let's read it from the man himself...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

Hummm...kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?...

Let's read some more from Hitler himself shall we?...

Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

Humm, i wonder what all of that is all about, and how come a "far-rightwinger" would claim such things?...

edit on 2-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

How quickly we forget here. Straight from the horsemans mouth.

reply to post by earthdude


Wow!!! Talk about propaganda and targeting kids no less.

www.academickids.com...

Combining socialism and zionism in a form of practical Labor Zionism, the kibbutzim are a unique Israeli experiment, and part of one of the largest communal movements in history.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Actually the Kibutz system was the only form of true communism our planet ever had. We were afraid of communists durring the red scare, but we were really talking about socialists, we just got the name wrong. I learned this stuff in college from both liberal and conservative professors.

reply to post by earthdude


Yeah, they sure sound conservative, not.

Where did you go to college if you don't mind me asking?

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Again.. he was Hitler. Guys use some common sense. A far right winger would claim such things because he had to get his people in line.. saying "This is a fascist totalitarian regime" probably wouldn't go over as well as socialist. Do you just have to trust whatever you read, or are you capable of thinking for yourself?

German socialist workers party was a misnomer. Historically identified misnomer.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

Again.. he was Hitler. Guys use some common sense.

German socialist workers party was a misnomer. Historically identified misnomer.

Many of Hitler's ideas were very socialistic, historically speaking. I contend that all historical misnomers are possibly not misnomers. I went to two state Universities that taught the history that most Americans agree on, which is possibly wrong.

Originally posted by earthdude
Jesus was a socialist.

Your Jesus was not a socialist. I've been able to find NO verification of that contention any where. What I have found was that he advocated the separation of politics and religion, was not an overly political person, and got very cranky over mixing money and religion.

I have found NO confirmation, any where, that he advocated a huge, overblown, controlling government that provided for all, at the expense of a few, and making itself the middleman and arbiter of who got what and when. He seems, quite the contrary, to have been of the opinion that people are to provide for the government, not the other way around.

What on Earth, dude, makes you think he was a "socialist", 2000 years before Marx?

Originally posted by earthdude

Claim two: Read what Jesus says, it is in the bible.

I did. He wasn't.

take this info with a grain of salt, it could be a lie.

I concur. It has all the hallmarks of a lie, primarily in that it displays no truth.

Your Jesus was NOT a "socialist".

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by earthdude

Claim two: Read what Jesus says, it is in the bible.

I did. He wasn't.

take this info with a grain of salt, it could be a lie.

I concur. It has all the hallmarks of a lie, primarily in that it displays no truth.

Your Jesus was NOT a "socialist".

Sarcasm alert!
So Jesus was intent on keeping all his possessions and did not like sharing? I guess I was misinformed.
Sarcasm over.
The teachings of Jesus seemed very socialistic to me, but to you he may have been a kind of mercinary with blood and guts of his enemy all over him. I don't know where you got your Christianity from.

reply to post by earthdude


Americans help each other just fine without socialism.. I beg to see where Jesus taught public ownership of all property.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Luke 18:22
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

reply to post by earthdude


Yes give 10% that does not mean common ownership.

Furthermore, Jesus taught that stealing is wrong. Which socialism is very guilty of, theft.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

So what is YOUR definition of big versus small government then? If you call a monarchy a big government and claim it is socialism then obviously you have no education other than elementary at best. I am sorry but I am running out of time for this nonsense and will pick up later...that is if the mods don't trash this thread AS TROLLING, which is what it deserves.

Wow... You claim monarchies were/are the smallest of the small forms of government and you claim I am the one without an education... Really?...

I wonder what the monarchies of England, Spain, and every other country in the world were all about?...

I guess in your definition "they were small" even thou they controlled ENTIRE NATIONS...

See you like playing it double-faced. When asked about your opinion/definition of big and small government you claim "entire nations" capitalised. Where not each european kingdom a nation? What the heck was a king/queen supposed to rule over if not a nation?

You purposefully sidestep anything that makes the right look bad, just like some socialists side step fascism/nazism when it makes THEM look bad. I am sorry but people should not want it both ways. We should be able to agree on basic definitions and actual history, unless of course people have an agenda of deceit so the sick status quo can continue unabbated.

Trolling is your middle name, not mine, but like always when certain people don't like the way a conversation is going they have to throw labels like "trolls" and such...

If you noticed I did not refer to you directly as a troll. I referred to the misinformation in this thread and the OP's questionable motives.

Such claims only shows you have no real argument AT ALL...

edit on 1-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

I did not join ATS to argue all day long and try to prove everyone wrong. I try to help when possible but some people are stubbornely dellusional in their ways and no amount of enlightment will help them.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Rightwing socialism?... Now that's a new one...

edit on 1-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

Yes there IS such a thing as right wing socialism, just like there is mainstream socialism and left wing socialism.

Mainstream socialism is market socialism afaik, and left wing socialism is close to communism. Hence why I said right wing socialism is closer to capitalism than communism. Hitler was A NATIONALIST, aka imperialist, which automatically means he is right of center.

communism---socialism--capitalism--libertarianism--monarchism--anarchism

From left to right means smaller government and from right to left means bigger government. By big vs small it means in size of employees, size of expenditures, number of departments, number of regulations, etc. Normally(but not always) a smaller government caters to the elite and a bigger government caters to the challenged.

Get an education, and then start trying to piece the puzzle yourself. You don't have to believe everything you are told. JESUS!

reply to post by earthdude

reply to post by thehoneycomb

 

Luke 18:22
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

I afraid you proved yourself incorrect, this one verse implies ownership. Stealing from one another also implies ownership. On the contrary, Jesus warned us about socialism and taught us to resist it.

Now for those of you who are interested in this Jesus was a socialist debate. Try this. Take the examples of the word Nicolaitans this is an anagram for the word Socialist, Nicolaism is an anagram for the word socialism. Now find these words in the Bible and apply the meaning of socialist and socialism. Ah, it makes more sense now.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by earthdude

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”Exodus 20:17

Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.Proverbs 10:4

Yep Jesus was a socialist,even though the bible makes a compelling argument against any socialistic issues..

reply to post by sonnny1


Stealing and sharing are not identical unless you choose to pervert the context. Jesus implied sharing wealth with the less fortunate and looked down upon the lazy. Lazy means you do not want to work to live and acquire wealth.

The only ones that are lazy and want welfare are the "elite" families who have perverted the meaning of profit and work to imply "I will manipulate money from a medium of exchange into fluctuating commodity which I will inflate and deflate to steal everyone's wealth over decades and centuries". The money changers are the bankers and fraudulent financial institutions that use *proof by intimidation* to get the nwo capitalist disorder. If you dig deep enough you will find out that fractional reserve banking started out by the knight templars stationed in switzerland.

Americans like to pick on female minorities though because they are the easy targets. Or social security which people have always been forced to pay in full, or medicare and medicaid, or obama's national healthcare plan.

Sharing wealth is not only good for the community, but necessary to keep idle/parked currency circulating. Sooner or later the markets run dry and government has to borrow via treasury bonds, which means more interest and even less currency circulating in the long run. It is a perfect pyramid scheme that will collapse when the debt ceiling is reached and government prints so much money that inflation will go through the roof, meaning zero value. Kind of like what happened to nazi germany and why hitler had to make friends with the knight templars in switzerland, by not invading switzerland.

In short the bankers and big business(via FED defacto corporate welfare) are the ones that ARE STEALING!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Socialism - A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Like I said,read the Bible. Helping the poor is one story. The Bible contradicts this type of system throughout its many verses.

Spin away though............

Originally posted by earthdude

Sarcasm alert!
So Jesus was intent on keeping all his possessions and did not like sharing? I guess I was misinformed.
Sarcasm over.

I'll type it again, slower this time so you can catch it:

Your Jesus was not a socialist. I've been able to find NO verification of that contention any where. What I have found was that he advocated the separation of politics and religion, was not an overly political person, and got very cranky over mixing money and religion.

I have found NO confirmation, any where, that he advocated a huge, overblown, controlling government that provided for all, at the expense of a few, and making itself the middleman and arbiter of who got what and when. He seems, quite the contrary, to have been of the opinion that people are to provide for the government, not the other way around.

What on Earth, dude, makes you think he was a "socialist", 2000 years before Marx?

So then, care to address the points, or are you all about going off on an emotional rampage again, making sarcastic remarks that have nary a thing to do with Socialism?

If a man chooses to give his own stuff, that is his own business. If the government chooses to give his stuff away, that's Socialism.

The teachings of Jesus seemed very socialistic to me,

OK, I'll bite. SHOW ME where he advocated governmental theft from individuals to give to other individuals. Don't just make a wild, unsupportable claim, SHOW ME.

but to you he may have been a kind of mercinary with blood and guts of his enemy all over him. I don't know where you got your Christianity from.

Waaa, waaa, waaa. What on Earth makes you think I have ever gotten any "christianity" from any where?