Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The thing is when people start to lump together Socialism, Nazism, Leftists and Communists all together in one neat little pile, they are displaying pure ignorance. It's embarrassing to watch. It is basically their way of abdicating the right of doing anything bad EVER in the course of history including natural disasters. It's a willful ignorance.

Well it would be a bad thing to call them all the same, but they are all far leftist ideologies(But Communism and Nazism are in reaver land).

P.S
The Communist's killed way more people then the Nazi's. In fact atheist communist's killed more people in the 20th century then every religion combined since the dawn of recorded history.

Leftist could be used to describe anyone that is beyond the razor thin center point. I would dare so most here are probably slight leftist's in one way or another. You remind me of that youtube video that about a democrat trying to say that the Democratic Party is carrying the torch of the old Republican Party.

My answer is the same as the answer provided in the video No. Just because your party has a lousy history doesn't give you the right to steal someone elses history.

I can't help it all the genocides of the 20th century where by leftist's. Or that leftist where responsible for slavery in the old south. Or that leftist are pathological liars. Your just mad because you feel like " no fair they stole a cookie too", when no cookie was stolen except by you.

Because all abuse is done by leftist's period. Leftism is about force and power. Thus it is going to trample on others no matter how benign. While right wing is about individuality and liberty. The problem arises when some ideologies try to play it both ways like Neo Conservatives and Social Conservatives(which are also left wing as well).

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


The natural disasters bit was a joke, an exaggeration of the mentality of certain people who like to abdicate their ideology of ever doing anything wrong and blaming almost everything bad to have happened in the worlds history on the left. It's tiresome and just shows how closed minded and brainwashed some people are. It's usually Americans, who have been subject to the more extreme forms of Right wing propaganda from the corporate media.

Most people in Europe understand the Ideologies of Fascism, Nazism and Communism a little better than your average American, but then I guess you never had them on your doorstep in the same way as us.

Originally posted by flexy123

which is why America has been infected and brought to near ruin with that sick Socialist mentality.

rofl!

If America had a socialist mentality (which, IMO, it never had, compared to other countries) - IF it ever had a socialist mentality the states would not be there where they are right now.

With millions living under the poverty limit, not being able to afford health care, working minimum wage jobs, uneducated...the reason why America is so screwed up and "brought to near ruin" is because the Reps #ed it up, ignoring the needs of a starving majority (so to speak) and catering more to a small, already rich Elite instead - plus crazy spending towards defense.

Saying America has been brought near ruin with "sick Socialist mentality" must be the best joke i ever heard here on the forum...tell that the one making $6 hour working some # job who has no health insurance...or tell that someone looking for a job who needs an education or training (which in other, so called "socialist" countries he would actually get paid for).

So..where is that "socialist mentality" in the US? I'd like to see it!

Feminism: Uncle Sam has to get money for all these women only scholarships and programs. Add in the wealth destruction of the family courts. Systematic disenfranchisement of males not born into middle upper to upper class due to feminist's hijacking the educational system. God knows how much future wealth the USA lost with the war on boy's.

Military spending doesn't help(since most of the tech stays secret those SOB's). Add in the social cost of illegal and unwanted immigrants(Socialism only works if you have zero immigration[unless those immigrants are like Einstein or equal the contributions of atleast 1,000 average citizens, or else they would drag the system down). Cronyism, corruption and unfair trade agreements... Yeah..

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

The natural disasters bit was a joke, an exaggeration of the mentality of certain people who like to abdicate their ideology of ever doing anything wrong and blaming almost everything bad to have happened in the worlds history on the left. It's tiresome and just shows how closed minded and brainwashed some people are. It's usually Americans, who have been subject to the more extreme forms of Right wing propaganda from the corporate media.

Most people in Europe understand the Ideologies of Fascism, Nazism and Communism a little better than your average American, but then I guess you never had them on your doorstep in the same way as us.

I doubt that. Most Europeans tend to be pathological liars. The simple fact is you Europeans are still very much serfs. So talk of right wing and left wing elude you because only a free human being can understand what right wing is. But in Europe only the left wing exist's. So what is "right to you" seems left to us.

That is the problem with you Europeans. You don't understand that different cultures have different perspective of things. We American's don't want your garbage. If we wanted to be like you our ancestors would of stayed on that miserable continent and been content to be serfs. But my ancestors understood the value of freedom. Thus I am an American and you are a European.

Originally posted by flexy123
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With millions living under the poverty limit, not being able to afford health care, working minimum wage jobs, uneducated...the reason why America is so screwed up and "brought to near ruin" is because the Reps #ed it up, ignoring the needs of a starving majority (so to speak) and catering more to a small, already rich Elite instead - plus crazy spending towards defense.

Saying America has been brought near ruin with "sick Socialist mentality" must be the best joke i ever heard here on the forum...tell that the one making $6 hour working some # job who has no health insurance...or tell that someone looking for a job who needs an education or training (which in other, so called "socialist" countries he would actually get paid for).

So..where is that "socialist mentality" in the US? I'd like to see it!

Where is that socialist mentality in the U.S.?... Are you kidding? Several of us have pointed it out...

The Federal Reserve Act was signed and implemented as law in the United States by PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, the same PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who implemented the IRS as it exists today with it's dozens, and dozens of taxes among other socialist policies...

It was this act by the "PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS" that put the entire nation and all future Americans in debt and under a paper currency, which the Feds (Federal Reserve) implemented, banning the gold and silver standard...

It was this same act that opened the door to corruption in our political parties, and has been dismantling this REPUBLIC of the United States...


In the name of "PROGRESS" this nation was given to the banker elites through the Federal Reserve...

The Feds is a centralized banking system, and such a system exists in SOCIALIST nations...

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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Most people in Europe understand the Ideologies of Fascism, Nazism and Communism a little better than your average American, but then I guess you never had them on your doorstep in the same way as us.

i was born, and experienced socialism/communism in Cuba... I wasn't born an American, and my parents and I had to escape with the help of some family members from the hellhole that is Cuba.

We had to leave most of our family behind, including two half sisters back in Cuba whose mother didn't want them to leave Cuba, even thou she abandoned them when they were very young and my parents tookmy half-sisters in.

People like me understand socialism, facism, communism and leftwing policies better than people like you who have never EXPERIENCED the end goal of socialism.

reply to post by korathin


I have seen leftwingers in these forums claim that it was them who set free slaves in the U.S... Obviously they never read a book about the history of these United States...

It was the Republicans, under a Republican President who helped to set free the slaves, and the Democrats were the rich landowners who lived mostly in the south and wanted to keep slaves...

Republicans, and the Republican Party was once the "people's party", that was until socialist policies were implemented by those who want to destroy this nation.

Heck, even the United States Constitution CLEARLY states what form of government the founding fathers thought was essential, and needed to protect all Americans...

U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4

Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

www.usconstitution.net...

But these facts which once were known by all Americans has been brainwashed and indoctrinated out of many Americans through the implementation of socialist policies, and socialist ideologies.

@ Korathin , It's quite odd that you mention your ancestors understood what it was to be free and so left for america, well you clearly know the history of your own country. America wasnt free to begin with and was colonised by the british empire under its rule. So sorry still very much a serfdom , but with the promise of more land and more possibility than those back in the empire.
Im pretty sure that most in fact if not all of Europeans understand different cultures pretty well considering each there are more countries in Europe with more cultures in a smaller land mass than there are in all of America.
Although most native american culture is almost wiped out!
Europeans are very well cultured and do appreciate culture , that is why we travel alot , as we love other nations and their cultures!

@ Electric universe.

Im sure I've discussed the cuban situation with you before, you said that it was a traumatic experience for you and your family which I can understand must have been very difficult.
My friend was born in East Germany under communist rule, and he had no complaints what so ever about his living conditions , his health , or any work related problems in fact he told me that he was very fond of east Germany during his youth and middle age before he left to Britian.

I have also heard many conflicting stories from family , and friends who have traveled to Cuba for decades and have given a different perspective from what you have told me in the past.


@ALL , in general it would seem that we all have different opinions on all aspects of social and political ideologies from first hand experience to what we have read in books and been advised in lectures.
One thing however you can label any ideology and tag them with anything in order to fit your own agenda.

Hitler may have claimed he was socialist whilst we branded him right wing facist. Either way you can stick labels on him the whole time , he knew he had won when you believe one thing about him because that was his plan. The flip mode. he would have you believe one thing then do the exact opposite.

One label that does stick , is that he was incredibly disturbed and evil . Of course that label would also stick to many politicians of the day right now

What we need to do as humans is find the point where we take the good aspects from each ideology , from the full spectrum and create a new way of thinking ! It's difficult but can be done

reply to post by sapien82


That will never work. The left wants to paint everybody the same. When the right only wants people to learn to educate and have skills to prosper.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Well thats the point in having a system which takes the best aspects from each and eliminates the potential dangers from each. The point is that we as a species can adapt and change to survive , these ideologies have been in place some for hundreds of years now , and have over time proven to been both succesfull and in most cases failures. The future of our species depends on our ability now to take from these systems and develop an all encompassing system which unifies them instead of dividing ourselves in arguement over past and present about who has the ability to lead and which system will benefit us. When it is obviously clear that no one system has the ability to suit everyone.
Isn't it up to our present generation to be the ones who set the guidance for future generations instead of repeating our past mistakes by following the indoctrination into faulty systems of ideology and belief.

It shouldnt be that vastly unachievable , we have imagination and intelligence therefore impossible is nothing !
despite our terrible human nature , we have the creativity to develop a system with the potential to satisfy everyone no matter which area of the political , social , or religious spectrum they fall into !

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by sapien82

 

That will never work. The left wants to paint everybody the same. When the right only wants people to learn to educate and have skills to prosper.

You must also see how the right wants to paint everyone the same as well. Some on the right believe anyone slightly to the left of centre is a rabid Marxist.

I consider myself on the left and also want people to learn to educate and have skills to prosper, but if we are going to do that in a capitalist system, which by its very nature is a competition, there must be things in our society to support those who are losing in the competition. Like health care and a retirement.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by sapien82

 

That will never work. The left wants to paint everybody the same. When the right only wants people to learn to educate and have skills to prosper.

If you're talking about the GOP or TP, no...all they want is to ensure their corporate donors get a good return on investment

Not saying the democrats are much better...but to claim the right wants people to prosper is ridiculous

This is one of the most entertaining threads Iv'e seen in quite a long time.

It's funny to watch collectivists screech and rage when you slap their cage with a direct hit, screeching and screaming about how it was a "miss", as if by willing it so, they can make it BE.

Perhaps the MOST amusing thing is to watch them switch positions and try to backpedal from their previous positions in an effort to remake socialism. I've seen several posters here try NOW to claim that Hitler wasn't a "real" socialist because he was anti-communist. Wait! WHAT... ? They've spent the last two or three months trying to claim that communism and socialism are not connected - but now, all of the sudden, being against one is proof positive that you can't possibly be the other?

ROFLMFAO!

That's why I've taken to calling all forms of this abomination "collectivism". They keep trying to change the definitions to suit the argument at hand, but can't escape the fact that ALL are forms of centrally controlled collectivism, and as such ALL of them are pure evil. Doesn't matter if they want to call their variation "communism", "socialism", "fascism", or what have you. I can't see a nickel's worth of difference between the lot of 'em.

Centralized tyranny applied to the masses is centralized tyranny applied to the masses. Iron fisted control is iron fisted control. You can see it right in the process of congealing right here in the good ol' USA. Some CALL it "fascism". and some CALL it "socialism", but it's the same damned thing, and to be resisted and fought against at every turn.

With any luck and some damned good training, our kids will win that fight where we are losing.

reply to post by nenothtu


WOW!

You pulled a Mike and the Mechanics Video out...................A good one too!




That post gets a Star for that alone.

Like I said before,Hitler was a Murder. No debating can change that fact. That is the only fact that really matters.

reply to post by sonnny1


That's the thing. He was. So were myriad others. It appears that murderous, controlling bastards gravitate towards collectivism so that they can get all their victims into one gaggle at the same time.

That's what makes the centralization of collectivism such a dangerous thing.

reply to post by sapien82


I don't completely disagree with you as I used to consider myself a liberal. In fact I am a registered Democrat. But that all changed one day when a liberal idea was forced upon me and now affects my daily life and I wised up. I also had to one day admit to myself that I was wrong in my ideologies and listened and paid attention to others who were trying to steer me into the right direction. So yes as an individual, you do have the power to change, but it will take an effort on your part as an individual and an open mind.

Unfortunately the left has recycled ideologies like this deoxy.org... that don't work in practice and have failed over and over throughout history, usually ending in dictatorship.

Remember that trying the same thing over and over again and getting the same results is the definition of insanity.

So yes there is hope, but it's up to you as an individual as you can not change everybody else. But you can educate others, wether or not they choose to listen with an open mind and do their own research is up to them.

That said, I have a book recommendation for you. It is called "The Science of Success" By Wallace Wattles. It was written over a hundred years ago and is the book that inspired "The Secret" However the secret, ironically does not teach many of the same practices that are taught in this book that can help you on a personal level and breed success.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Capitalism is not a competition it is a free market. One which allows consumer demand to determine the market. Socialism is quite the opposite, it tries to control and regulate the market to create demand.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Chrysalis

 

Yes, it's too bad that one only needs to visit wikipedia to see the truth of such a controversial figure as Hitler.

History is a lie and Wikipedia can't make any of it true. I have seen so much history be written down wrong in the last few years that I think Hitler might have been a great ruler and probably loved Jews. Lumping all socialists in with Hitler is just plain wrong. Israel was founded on socialism. Jesus was a socialist. You can belive wikipedia if you like getting fooled.

reply to post by earthdude

Lumping all socialists in with Hitler is just plain wrong. Israel was founded on socialism. Jesus was a socialist.

I suppose you came to this thread with supporting evidence of those two outrageous claims?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I did no such thing.

If he was a socialist, prove it. You can't. Good luck trying though.