Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx

 

Please provide more than that. If it says so in scripture then please point out where it says that.

You can research it yourself.

Jesus always talked about how it was a curse to be rich. How everyone should give their money to the poor and charities and live frugally. How the pursuit of money (Capitalism essentially) corrupted and made men unable to come to god.

Oh, and he provided free education, healthcare, and even at times food to anyone around him.

There's no certain scripture "Verily I say unto you today, I am a socialist". However, all the principles he believed in, and his actions, that could be related the the economic system, all pointed to him having the similar ideals of socialism.
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^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what happens when ignorant people ride their keyboards across the world wide web in a blaze of glory.
Jesus was not a socialist at all. He practiced altruism. Socialists force you to be altruistic with petty rule and taxation which leads to breaking the backs of the working class to pay for the dregs who sit home on their asses and don't feel like they should work. Jesus never said give what you don't have. Yet the Socialist idea is to keep taking even when there is nothing left, which is why America has been infected and brought to near ruin with that sick Socialist mentality. They just print more and more money and give it away like the worthless paper it is.
I know a person who epitomizes Socialism. They have 2 kids, 1 works half the year, the wife doesn't work at all. They receive welfare regularly and free school lunches for their kids. I have two kids and still have to pay for my kids lunches. Yet a few months ago they said they are expecting a 3rd child. They don't understand that money doesn't grow on trees and that what they think is a "free lunch" is in actuality their slavery to dependence on the system and in fact putting unbearable pressure on the working class folks who can't bear the weight of everyone
who wants a "free lunch".
It's pure laziness,fear and cowardice that leads people to socialist ideas of a nanny state that will care for you from cradle to grave.
If given a choice to be charitable or be forced to give most people would be more than happy to help where they can. Charity starts at home.
The small communities help each other out and are INDEPENDENT ( a dirty and disgusting word to every Socialist wannabe dictator who can't function forever in a political career and then sit back and live fat on the lamb on their pensions and kick backs while regular folks get to suffer. )
However with a tyrannical,oppressive, corrupt and inept bunch of lying deviant bureaucrats stealing from you to give to people who
1. Didn't EARN it
2. Will vote for said Bureaucrats again and again ensuring they can feather their nests and inflict their ill conceived agendas and reap rewards the likes of which evil ancient kings and emperors could only dream of.
That's why they attack the church VIGOROUSLY.
You know it and every Commie here knows it.
Church's and their patrons are charitable and they give by means of donation or deeds to the WORLD.
And it IS NOT because they are strongarmed by union thugs or filthy race baiters like Jesse Jackson who threaten you with protests if you don't contribute.
The Scum bag socialists want nothing more than to destroy the Church and create utter dependence on the STATE!!
Put that in your pipe and stuff it.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Yeah right wingers fail to acknowledge that corporatism is the main branch of capitalism.

No... Capitalism is FREE MARKET, and in corpocratism the big dogs have the power, even the power to persuade senators to pass laws that benefit corporations...

In a FREE MARKET no one has monopoly over such a market...

What is it about FREE MARKET that you don't understand?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Because you are not capable of understanding socialism apparently. Hitler and his party were right wing.
Just because there were socialist aspects does not mean he wasn't right wing. You can argue it until the day you die, you will still be wrong. You can write a book on it, you will still be wrong. I am sincerely sorry for you and your disposition.


en.wikipedia.org...

The party was founded out of the current of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[6] The party was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis, focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8] The party's last leader, Adolf Hitler, was appointed Chancellor of Germany by president Paul von Hindenburg in 1933. Hitler rapidly established a totalitarian regime[9][10][11][12] known as the Third Reich. Nazi ideology denounced many political and economic ideologies and systems as being associated with parasitical Jewry, such as: capitalism, democracy, the Enlightenment, industrialisation, liberalism, Marxism, parliamentary politics, and trade unionism.[13]

With that.. I am done correcting you. I am done proving you wrong. And I am done talking to you. Until the next trolling.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Humm... a "far rightwinger" who is a vegetarian and a lunatic in environmentalism, not to mention who had socialist ideals?...

NAZI GERMANY AND THE ENVIRONMENT

ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES AND VIEWS

The term "ecology" was invented in Germany in the nineteenth Century by the pioneering zoologist Ernst Haeckel. Via his widely influential writings and lectures, Haeckel elaborated a holistic view of man's symbiotic relationship with the natural world. To Haeckel, and those who followed his philosophy of "Monism", natural laws governed the workings of the natural world and human civilization alike. Haeckel and others of his philosophical school taught respect for nature and preached conservation.

What many people do not know about Haeckel, however, is his connection to national socialism. Haeckel placed his views about nature conservation into a world view similar to that of Social Darwinism Here, only the strong (both individually and on a national scale) and those willing to fight, survived the constant upward struggle that characterized national evolutionary development. Nations, cultures, and peoples could therefore be categorized "scientifically" into those that were superior and those that were inferior, with the latter being considered expendable and even worthy of destruction. Haeckel also had racial views similar to Hitler.

This brief collection of quotes illustrates the decisive role that a radical ecological understanding of the world played within National Socialism. Needless to say, ecology as a science and natural philosophy as a whole have not always assumed the same radical ideological shape throughout history. Since World War II, the Green movements that have sprung up all over the world are largely democratic in nature and are as concerned about the well being of humanity as they are about the health of the planet as a whole.

However, the deteriorating world environmental situation in our time could create incentives for even harsher regimes than those of Nazi Germany. Thus, it is useful to study this subject.

www.worldfuturefund.org...


BTW, there is nothing wrong with environmentalism with common sense and as long as human lives are not put at risk, there is a different story with "radical ecological ideas" which is what i call "environlunatism."

Who has EVER heard of a rightwinger who was a vegetarian, an avid environmentalist to the point of being RADICAL, and who was a socialist?...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


Who has EVER heard of a rightwinger who is a vegetarian, an avid environmentalist to the point of being RADICAL, and who was a socialist?...

You have, his name was Hitler. Later.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


You have, his name was Hitler. Later.

No...he was a SOCIALIST, not a "far-rightwinger"...

You better come to terms with the truth before it bites you in the back.

BTW, in case leftwingers didn't know, patting each other on the back and giving each other stars and flags doesn't make your argument truth... Hard FACTS and EVIDENCE makes the truth...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


BTW Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. So you can add that to the long list of things you have been wrong about here.

Author Rynn Berry, a vegetarian and animal rights advocate, maintains that although Hitler reduced the amount of meat in his diet, he never stopped eating meat completely for any significant length of time. Berry argues that many historians use the term 'vegetarian' incorrectly to describe someone who simply reduced their meat consumption.[2][16]

en.wikipedia.org...

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It's too easy man. Too easy.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Hey, the NAZI Party had changed in order to appeal to businesses and corporations. Now in a system, any system you are going to have folks on both sides of the isle.

You see, right here.
en.wikipedia.org...

Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis, focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8]

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Wow, let's see... So as evidence to your claim you give wikipedia, a known BIASED EDITOR of topics such as politics, environmentalism/Global Warming/Climate Change?...

Liberal Bias at Wikipedia?

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Apparently some people don't seem to understand that even socialists USE capitalism for their failed ideologies to stay afloat...

After all, you do need money in this world last i heard...

It is not like the U.S.S.R., China, and some other countries have EVER used capitalism to make money and keep their socialist ideologies alive...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Honestly I dont know whats been going on at wikipedia, I find most of it pretty reliable. But don't you think it's kinda funny that the left always resorts to calling rights neocons and fascist Nazi's, when really in truth and history it is quite the opposite?

We are at the height of hypocrisy that is all I can tell.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Of course, LABOR UNIONS are unsustainable. They are the silent weapon that becomes the fall of every nation, financial ruin.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


No, hitler was a wannabe vegetarian who from time to time succumbed to a couple of delicacies that were not vegetarian in today's vegetarian world... Like that makes everything else a lie...

I guess there are no wannabe vegetarians out there who from time to time can't help themselves and eat a slice of ham...

Just like there are no people who are in constant diets yet from time to time they break their diets... Right?...

Phew, yep that's the evidence that debunks the fact Hitler was a socialist...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


BTW, should we read from your favorite source of information about Hitler's vegetarianism?...

Adolf Hitler's vegetarianism


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker,[1] Adolf Hitler has been regarded by some as a vegetarian.[2] It has been theorized that Hitler's diet may have been based on Richard Wagner's historical theories[3] which connected the future of Germany with vegetarianism.[4] Hitler believed that a vegetarian diet could both alleviate personal health problems and bring about a spiritual regeneration.


According to stenographic transcripts translated by Hugh Trevor-Roper of conversations between Hitler and his inner circle which took place between July 1941 and November 1944, Hitler regarded himself as a vegetarian (however, British historian Alan Bullock argues that Hitler would not allow the use of a tape recorder and that the written transcripts were edited by Bormann).[5]


Do you know that your Führer is a vegetarian, and that he does not eat meat because of his general attitude toward life and his love for the world of animals? Do you know that your Führer is an exemplary friend of animals, and even as a chancellor, he is not separated from the animals he has kept for years?...The Führer is an ardent opponent of any torture of animals, in particular vivisection, and has declared to terminate those conditions...thus fulfilling his role as the savior of animals, from continuous and nameless torments and pain.


—Neugeist/Die Weisse Fahne (German magazine of the New Thought movement)[6]

According to these transcripts dated November 11, 1941 Hitler said, "One may regret living at a period when it's impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there's one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian." On January 12, 1942, he said, "The only thing of which I shall be incapable is to share the sheiks' mutton with them. I'm a vegetarian, and they must spare me from their meat."[7]

In private conversations, Hitler often recited the benefits of eating raw vegetables, fruit, and grains, particularly for children and soldiers. In an attempt to disgust dinner guests and provoke them into shying away from meat, he reportedly told graphic stories of visits he had made to a slaughterhouse in Ukraine.
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en.wikipedia.org...'s_vegetarianism

BTW, i am not trying to say vegetarianism, or SANE environmentalism are evil, but rather prove that Hitler was a LEFTWINGER, a SOCIALIST...not a rightwinger...

New thread...

Socialism vs. Naziism

Please feel free to continue this discussion of course.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Ok well you can try until your face turns blue it doesn't make it so. The things that make him right wing far outweigh the things that could make people consider him left wing (like the fact that he was avidly anti-liberal which is practically anti left wing). You are just selectively ignorant, take in what you think makes you right, ignore what makes you obviously wrong. Also you failed to recognize the key words in your above post, words like "theorized." I posted from the part of the page that was actual history.

BTW nothing about being vegetarian makes you left wing, that is complete idiocy. Even more so when it was for health reasons.. not that it matters since Hitler wasn't a vegetarian. Honestly, I know you are just a troll and all, but why? Why do you even try to argue and do you actually believe this stuff? When I see someone disregard evidence and information that proves them wrong and they still go on it really makes me wonder if they don't have a mental problem (or if it's intentional they are trolling). I really truly and in all sincerity feel sorry for you. Not even joking or trying to belittle you with sympathy.

No matter what little things you go on about, the fact is that Hitler was right wing. It is accepted as fact. Scholars world wide agree. The few little things that appear left wing just do not amount to the overwhelming right wing tendencies. So, I am sorry and if you need to keep denying it as part of your dysfunction I will no longer stand in the way of that.

Of course he was a National socialist. That's not ground breaking news. However there's different forms of it and a National socialist isn't by memebrship alone, a Nazi.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I am not the one going against the current, and what the facts and evidence CLEARLY say...

It is you, and people like you who continuously fail to see the truth...

Hitler's ideas, and practice makes him a socialist...not a rightwinger...

Conservatives, and real Republicans in general want LESS GOVERNMENT...

Leftwingers which include liberals, socialists, communists, progressives (which includes progressive democrats) want MORE GOVERNMENT...

The far right leads to even less government control, the far LEFT is what leads to MORE government control...

Hitler had complete control over Germany, and that makes him a LEFTWINGER, a socialist...

No matter how long you want to claim the contrary, and no matter what LEFTWINGER scholars want to claim about National SOCIALISM, HItler and NAzi Germany were SOCIALIST...a LEFTWINGER dictatorship...

The economy of the United States, and hence ALL POWER of the United States was given to the rich banker elites by leftwingers (Progressive Democrats) back in 1913. Since then politics in the U.S. has become more and more corrupted.

The corruption and changes didn't happen overnight, but rather slowly, brainwashing Americans into embracing a leftwinger ideology.

ALL you have done is make claims. I actually supplied, not what some LEFTWINGER is claiming NOW about Hitler, but rather what Hitler did, and said...

In a court of law the evidence I provided would be PROOF, meanwhile what you provided is only rumor from sources which are decades apart from the time Nazi Germany existed...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I understand your need to have the last word so I will let you have it. You seem to think that whoever has the last word in the thread is right. It's not the case, anyone reading through the thread will see you are wrong.
You don't understand socialism. It can lean right when coupled with nationalism and fascism.
Fact is Hitler was anti-liberal, anti-marxist, and anti-communist. I don't have to correct you anymore because anyone that wants to see how ignorant you are need only search if Hitler's alignment. If you weren't so ignorant of socialism you would understand it is not synonymous with left wing.
So get your last word in, it wont change the fact that you are wrong.