The Bible has been changed ( rewritten )

Here ill post it for you since you insist.

www.irr.org...

Institute for Religious Research


Conclusion

The Bible, despite textual variations, has been preserved over the centuries with a remarkable degree trustworthy. Though variations exist, the four rules of textual criticism allow us to have a Bible that is very close to what the prophets of Israel and Jesus’ followers originally wrote.

Keith E. Gephart, a professor at International Baptist College in Tempe, Arizona, summarized how these variations are actually not problems:

It is a commonly recognized fact that 80-85 percent of all the manuscript evidence is in total agreement even on such matters as spelling and punctuation. [He added in a footnote that the percentage “rises considerably” when spelling and punctuation differences are eliminated.] …. [S]ome of these variants do affect the theology of those particular verses. But even in these instances, our doctrine is not affected since there are so many other verses which teach the doctrine in question.11

We have good reason to be confident that the Bible as we have it today is indeed faithful to the original.

*Daniel Bowman is a graduate student at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary.



I linked you the entire article.

reply to post by rival


I find it interesting you bring up a foxhole, and those who have been in one will attest to why faith is an imperative that informs their lives, no matter whose words or beliefs are used to give or take away it's validity, as both ar happening concurrently. It is about the integrity and commitment of those beside us in that foxhole, and what everyone tends to miss, is this is the true hard copy derivative of what matters. I do not espouse to or want to glorify or believe in war, and believe it has largely been waged on false premises, and thus far, to no avail. But the nature of the foxhole is to tell us who and what stands beside us and who and what they believe in and what they are made of, and having stood that test, no greater honor nor proof ensues thereafter...

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

I posted 3 just then ... you have google. Type into Google does the Bible really have 2000 prophecies?

Im not your baby sitter. Look it up , or leave it.

OK so i am suppose to go on a wild goose chase to random blogs and such looking for 2000 prophecies that came true? I can guarantee you if i claimed the moon was made of cheese and is inhabited by mouse people you will come up with the same results using google


The all too common quote i find myself using again


"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

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He hasnt been in a Fox Hole situation. Fox Hole situation is when you are about to die to being over ran. Any one can sit in a fox hole taking pot shots.

Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I bow to you, superior Ed, as I am superior to none. However, I take exception with what you say here. There are bibles and then there are bibles. Even in this thread, this was addressed, the many versions. To ignore this, is to ignore the subtleties which are obfuscated in which to turn what was intended to be our guide into something else entirely. If one does not see this, by the subsequent reprinting and recasting according to religion, history and times, then one cannot hope to persevere in faith. And insulting those who would address these differenes, only undermines the faith you, and Randy seem to want to put forth. Denying the obvious destroys the validity of what you love and adhere to. Judging the rest of us who do not deny that obvious, and do not insult anyone for the recognition of it but try to cognify it while others are busy calling us failures and subtly telling us to read more, when we've read more than them, and Still, have our faith,but may inform it from slightly different perpectives is to destroy faith, altogether.

Quote me on where I have judged someone else apart from simply stating a truth by my perspective.

You are correct that many translation have been made. This is a positive as it gives us linguistic perspectives that we would otherwise not see. All words have multidimensional meaning. Carry this one further and crack out the Ancient Hebrew lexicon. Words have roots that are then connected to the branches of other words. There is a surface meaning of what is said and then there is the interconnected meaning of what appears hidden, down in the depths. This is intended as we search among the pegmatite for the emerald. God is the mystery that intends to be found.

"Be not arrogant because of that which you know; deal with the ignorant as with the learned; for the barriers of art are not closed, no artist being in possession of the perfection to which he should aspire. But good words are more difficult to find than the emerald, for it is by slaves that that is discovered among the rocks of pegmatite." PHATHOTEP

I agree that our subjects expressed can judge others. This is specifically because of what I said earlier. Truth is a mirror and a mirror often blinds when the reflection is not seen correctly. Plato's cave is a good expression of this very truth.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


You sir are very lazy. I could care less if you believe or not to be honest. Its not my problem. Im tired of messing you. if you really wanted to see bible prophecy you would look it up.


Go read the old testament ... you will see most of the 2000 prophecies in it. Im not doing it for you. Get up and do something or dont.

Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled. ChaCha on!

i guess that is more your style right?

edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

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Hey, I don't want to pick a fight with you, but some of us have written and thought and regurgitated endlessly over this crap, and I can google and paste just as good as the other guy and it doesn't prove a thing. And I can aso quote to you out of my Scoffield edited kj version, and the panoramic about the revisions, reconstitutions and realignments of supposed factual knowledge that describe the word as forward and backward apocryphal historic events, both prophesy and foretelling, meaning it is a circle spun in such an apparent,looping fashion as to test us on some other than literal scale, no matter who is making us live through a literal account of it....
And yes, it has been edited, added to, and taken out of order, and I am someone of faith, for gods sake, but this literalist viewpoint of it is doing nothing but denying it in this day and age---why don't any of you believers see that? Or perhaps you do, but what this shows is that you dont really beieve in salvation, but just conformity and the defining of god as something else altogether.

I am sorry for that. Faith is important to us all, and gets us through times of such pain and sorrow--at least I assume it is where most of us are coming from, trying to live through the pain of this life and not trying to inflict more of it upon others--but you see even among those who claim to be faithful, this is more of what I see, the latter, than anything else, and using the word to justify that and bring more of it about, and create and get vengeance, the same as I described above. Do you really think a real "Jesus" would have wanted that? Do you think this is what he envisioned? Do you even think he really, taking into account all his other teachings, would have wanted you to drink his blood or eat his flesh is any possible allegory of the last supper? Do you think God would truly have had a reason to " bash the skulls of your children on the rocks". Do you truly believe that god would have asked his faithful to prove their faith by killing their son? How about where it is described in the old testament that you will eat the flesh of your enemies? God would have wanted that, and the word that told us that told us to love one another, forgive and not seek vengeance, but hasn't been changed to be political? How about concerning the elect? The very notion is political. The whole point, supposedly of jesus's life was to deny the political, to destroy the temple being made a place of money making, prostitution, graft and political and otherwise corruption.
If he died for our sins, do you think he would have gone along with these words in the interest of committing more and more grievous sins? God judged Gomorrah for homosexuality, but found reason later to kill children?

Since you are lazy and dont want to do a simple google , here is one article.

BY Jerry Ballard
Fisher's Of Men Group

A Study Conducted at MIT

Many of the prophecies concerning the Messiah were totally beyond human control: Birth: Place, time, manner of Death: People's reactions, piercing of side, burial Resurrection: Where did His body go? By using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight of these prophecies, the chance that any man might have lived to fulfill all eight prophecies is one in 100 trillion!
To illustrate this point: If we take 100 trillion silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas, they would be two feet deep. Now we mark one of these silver dollars and thoroughly stir the whole mass--all over the state. Now blindfold a man and let him travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick only one silver dollar.

What chance would he have of picking the marked one? The same chance that the prophets would have of writing just eight of these prophecies and having them all come true for any one man if they had written them without God's inspiration!
The chance of any one man's fulfilling all of 48 prophecies is one in ten to the 157th power. The electron is about as small an object as we can imagine. If we had a cubic inch of these electrons and tried to count them, it would take us (at 250 per minute) 19,000 times 19,000 times 19,000 years to count them.
Now mark one of them and thoroughly stir it into the whole mass. What chance does our blindfolded man have of finding the right electron?

The same chance as one man of fulfilling 48 of the prophecies about Christ without His being the Son of God!
God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy.
Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The Acid Test for identifying A Prophet of God

Recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions.
There is no room for error!

1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee.
(Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2).

The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10).
Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)

(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13).

Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)

Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ?
Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?

The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5000 that his ministry could begin in 26 A.D.

Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Hence, the probability of chance fulfillment for this prophecy is 1 in 5000 x 10 x 2, which is 1 in 100,000, or 1 in 105.

Over 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus Christ

The Bible predicted that Christ would die on the cross and that He would rise from the dead. And guess what? HE DID!!Death could not keep Jesus in the grave.
After three days, He Rose from the dead thus defeating death and thus providing mankind hope and Salvation, to all who Will call on the name of the Lord.

Today, the only way Bible scoffers can explain away this astronomical probability is to discredit the prophecies in one way or another.

Jesus lived a perfect life, died willingly on a cross to pay the penalty for our sins, was raised from the dead, and now lives in heaven. An innocent man took the blame for our sinfulness. This act of God is described in John 3:16-17 like this:

reply to post by milkyway12

Would they even bother to print the prophecies that would never come true!? Would you if it meant that your agenda would be hurt in this way?

From this:

Enuma Elish (The Babylonian Epic of Creation)

Tablet I

1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being—
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.


Tablet V


1 He fashioned heavenly stations for the great gods,
2 And set up constellations, the patterns of the stars.
3 He appointed the year, marked off divisions,
4 And set up three stars each for the twelve months.
5 After he had organized the year,
6 He established the heavenly station of Ne-beru to fix the stars' intervals.
7 That none should transgress or be slothful
8 He fixed the heavenly stations of Enlil and Ea with it.
9 Gates he opened on both sides,
10 And put strong bolts at the left and the right.
11 He placed the heights (of heaven) in her (Tia-mat's) belly,
12 He created Nannar, entrusting to him the night.
13 He appointed him as the jewel of the night to fix the days,
14 And month by month without ceasing he elevated him with a crown,
15 (Saying,) "Shine over the land at the beginning of the month,
16 Resplendent with horns to fix six days.
17 On the seventh day the crown will be half size,

Source

To this:

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Source 2

Quite a rewrite of just one of the ancient creations texts. What I fail to understand is why the source 2 is preferred over source 1 as holy truth by the great many, logically it make no sense. But people pick and choose as they are wont to do. In God We Trust and those are Apsu and Tiamat. These words will be ignored as expected because people is people and we are all so far away from home.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Quite the opposite is true. If you read back, the OP is substantiated on the level of physics, common sense and historical evidence. The original video posted has enough in it to demonstrate this handily. The myth is seeing the image of energy in reality as accident. To say that God is not the designer, expressed best by the Bible, then we are missing any evidence against.

Umm historical evidence you say? Well if i write a book based on truths and half truths and claim this is the holy gospel of god then the half truths are taken to be factual what would that make me? Like i said earlier i believe some things are true in the bible as it was based on some historical events. But the same practice is used when you mix the truth with lies... this way with seeding lies with truth then people never get the real story. That is how disinformation works., the Bible imo is the greatest work of disinformation ever written.

Demonstrate motive. Claim who is the motivator. Then ask the question of why the process used. None of this points to a logical conclusion identified to men. Men screw things up and cannot get their facts straight when doing the simplest of processes. If you have performed music, you know how difficult it is to attain perfection, yet the Bible demonstrates an otherworldly image that is clearly seen in reflection. The accuracy here is beyond conspiracy and is better considered a prospiracy.

Con (contra) means against. Spirit is the law or intention of what we do by intent. Intent is by design and intention is the purpose for how we act according to the spirit we follow. Spirit is consciousness.

Conspiracy is an agreement between two or more individuals to act against a law. The primary law of God is love and equality in unity toward His purposes for us in society.

By definition, we cannot ascribe conspiracy against the lawgiver. He is for the benefit of the many. This is with the spirit. Prospiracy.

reply to post by milkyway12


SO your defense that the bible was not re-written is that "prophecies" were fulfilled?

It's a story book man, not magic.

reply to post by superman2012


And thats where the argument ends right there.


To the poster above me , i have posted it several times on the WHY the bible was not rewritten , for God Sakes scroll up and read it , i can keep posting it or i will get in trouble.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

You sir are very lazy. I could care less if you believe or not to be honest. Its not my problem. Im tired of messing you. if you really wanted to see bible prophecy you would look it up.

Lazy? Umm no not at all, your Ad Hominem response says that you are a bit flustered since you made an empty claim. Said empty claim was questioned and you deflected the question by calling me lazy. No in fact you are too lazy to provide a single link or source your claims.. one would think you would have access to.

Go read the old testament ... you will see most of the 2000 prophecies in it. Im not doing it for you. Get up and do something or dont.

I have read it several times, there was never 2000 prophecies that have been fulfilled to my knowledge. This is news to me, where do you come up with this stuff?

Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled. ChaCha on!

You keep repeating the same thing yet are not willing to provide a shred of proof

Just WOW

i guess that is more your style right?

What are you talking about?

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Do you want me to post 2000 prophecies on the forum? I mean seriously.

I have linked you three , do you want 10 or 20? What do you want.

Seriously , get up and google it. You can find the PROOF YOUR SELF. I dont have to provide because you can simply look it up.

We could go back and forth about the validity of "this" and "that" book or scripture, but the bottom line is, YOU (referring to anyone other than myself) cannot prove anything to me about belief...it is my choice to make. I happen to be a follower of Jesus Christ, but I accept that some are not...I was not always myself. My point is, my belief comes not from an accurate copyright on the contents page on my KJV or NIV...it comes from somewhere inside me, from some part of me that is sparked and intrigued and made to feel alive when I not only read scripture, but apply it to my life. And you can tell me all day that I am wrong, but I look at it like this...I have never been sky-diving, so if someone who is an avid sky-diver explains the sport/hobby to me, I have no choice but to take them at their word. I could argue based on this documentary or that manual...but in the end...A person with an argument is ALWAYS at the mercy of a person with an experience. Just my two cents.

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I have posted several known facts , and it has proven the bible has NOT BEEN REWRITTEN. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Ghost375
It's easy to prove the bible was altered over the generations, notice how it says that the use of gems isn't allowed?
Yeah, big red flag right there...especially considering so many temples were demanded to be made out of gold and other gems.
It was altered because precious gems enhance the ability of the all-seeing eye, and you can't have the plebs using that.

Jesus never said that he was god...that was altered over the years. In fact, Jesus forbid the worship of men and instead called himself a prophet.

I have studied the Bible a fair bit and have never heard of a prohibition against gems?

In fact, the priests outfits in Leviticus, as designed and specified by God, were studded with various gems. The breastplate alone had 12 gems representing the 12 tribes of Israel and each gem was large enough to have the name of the tribe carved into it.

Jesus was questioned by the ruling religious council and was charged with blaspheming by declaring himself to be God. Jesus answered "Before Moses was, I AM". The priests tore their robes (against Levitical Law) and cried out "blasphemy" because they knew that "I AM" is a name of God and the bit about Moses was just to make it abundantly clear He was calling Himself God.

He never called himself a prophet.

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What's poppycock? That the Bible was rewritten?

So you never knew that these stories were written hundreds if not thousands of years after they're supposed to have taken place or that some books and stories were purposely left out of the Bible to avoid believers knowing certain things and that those books were later found hidden in caves telling slightly differing stories to those known about in the Bible?

Religious folk are so closed minded and determined to think that everyone else is wrong despite overwhelming evidence and facts opposing their claims.