The Bible has been changed ( rewritten )

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Do you believe the Bible is the word of God or something?

Jesus foretold his death and resurrection

See Matthew 20:17-19, as an example.
Many of the early Christians, some of whom personally knew Jesus, were willing to risk death to tell others about Jesus and his offer of salvation and eternal life with God. In fact, some of Jesus' early followers were martyred, meaning they died for their belief in Jesus.

The line of kings from David would endure forever

See 2 Samuel 7:16 as an example.
There's more than one Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament that predicted that the line of kings that began with King David, about 3000 years ago, would be everlasting or eternal. History shows that most dynasties throughout history, throughout the world, were lucky if they lasted more than a few generations. But, because Jesus is fully God and fully human, he is able to be both eternal and a descendant of King David. Jesus is unique in his ability to fulfill this promise that God had made to David, that his throne would endure forever.

God's salvation would reach the ends of the earth

See Isaiah 49:6.
Isaiah, who was a prophet during the Old Testament era, gave many prophecies from God about a Messiah. In this particular example, he reveals that the Messiah would have a worldwide impact in that salvation would be brought to people throughout the world. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy. His promise of salvation has been evangelized to people all over the world.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem

See Micah 5:1-2.
About 2700 years ago, the prophet Micah prophesied that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, a small village near Jerusalem. Jesus fulfilled this prophecy about 2000 years ago. Although Jesus was raised in the town of Nazareth, he was born in Bethlehem.

The Messiah would be a descendant of King David

See Jeremiah 23:5.
There are many Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament that predicted the lineage of the Messiah. In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David. David ruled over the land of Israel about 1000 years before Jesus was born. Jesus is recorded in the New Testament books of Matthew and Luke as being a descendant of King David.Messianic prophecies

There would be a son called God

See Isaiah 9:6-7.
Isaiah, who lived before the time of Jesus, gave a prophecy about a "son" who would be called "Mighty God." Jesus, the Son of God, is fully human and fully God. As such, he is both "son" and "Mighty God."

The Messiah would be rejected

See Isaiah 53:1-3.
Although Jesus was accepted by some people as being the Messiah, he also was rejected by many people. In fact, the rejections led to him being executed, through crucifixion. Isaiah, in the 53rd chapter of the book of Old Testament book of Isaiah, foretold that the Messiah would be rejected. Despite what some modern scholars try to claim, the prophecies of Isaiah 53 have been widely regarded for many, many centuries by Christians and Judaists as being about a Messiah.

Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected

See Daniel 9:24-26.
The prophet Daniel provided a chronology of events that included the revelation that the Messiah would be rejected before the destruction of the second Temple in Jerusalem. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, about 40 years after Jesus was crucified. The Temple has never been rebuilt.

he Prophecies of Babylon, Nineveh, Tyre and Edom
Let's take a look at a few Bible prophecies that were fulfilled about 2500 years ago when the ancient kingdoms and cities of Babylon, Nineveh, Tyre and Edom were destroyed. The Bible makes the assertion that these entities were destroyed because they had sought to destroy the Holy Land of Israel and the people of Israel (the Jews).

Babylon Will Rule Over Judah for 70 Years
You can read the first such prophecy in Jeremiah 25:11-12. This prophecy was written sometime from 626 to about 586 BC and was not fulfilled until about 609 BC to 539 BC (approximately 50 years later, depending on your calculation)

Jeremiah 25:11-12
"...This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years. But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt," declares the Lord, "and will make it desolate forever."

In this passage of scripture, Jeremiah said that the Jews would suffer 70 years of Babylonian domination, and that after this was over, Babylon would be punished. Both parts of this prophecy were fulfilled! In 609 BC, Babylon captured the last Assyrian king and took over the holdings of the Assyrian empire, which included the land of Israel. Babylon then began to flex its muscles by taking many Jews as captives to Babylon and by destroying Jerusalem and the Temple. This domination of the Jews ended in 539 BC, when Cyrus, a leader of Persians and Medes, conquered Babylon, bringing an end to the empire. The prophecy also had another

The Jews Will Survive Babylonian Rule and Return Home
In Jeremiah 32:36-37, (written from about 626 and 586 BC), yet another prophet makes a bold prediction that was ultimately fulfilled in 536 BC.

Jeremiah 32:36-37
"You are saying about this city, 'By the sword, famine and plague it will be handed over to the king of Babylon'; but this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furious anger and great wrath; I will bring them back to this place and let them live in safety.

In this passage, Jeremiah said that the Jews would survive their captivity in Babylon and return home, and both parts of this prophecy were ultimately fulfilled. Many Jews had been taken as captives to Babylon beginning around 605 BC. But, in 538 BC, they were released from captivity and many eventually returned to their homeland.

The Ninevites Will Be Drunk in Their Final Hours
In Nahum 1:10 (written around 614 BC) the prophet predicts the condition of the Ninevites at the time of their demise.

Nahum 1:10
They will be entangled among thorns and drunk from their wine; they will be consumed like dry stubble.

In this passage, and once again in Nahum 3:11, the prophet said that during the final hours of the attack on Nineveh, the Ninevites would be drunk! Well, guess what, there is evidence that this prophecy was actually fulfilled! According to the ancient historian Diodorus Siculus: "The Assyrian king gave much wine to his soldiers. Deserters told this to the enemy, who attacked that night." Siculus compiled his historical works about 600 years after the fall of Nineveh, and in doing so, confirmed the Biblical account!

Nineveh Will Be Destroyed By Fire
Once again, in Nahum 3:15 (written around 614 BC) the prophet makes a prediction which ultimately did come true.

Nahum 3:15
There the fire will devour you; the sword will cut you down and, like grasshoppers, consume you…

The prophet said that Nineveh would be damaged by fire. Archaeologists unearthed the site during the 1800s and found a layer of ash covering the ruins. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica: "...Nineveh suffered a defeat from which it never recovered. Extensive traces of ash, representing the sack of the city by Babylonians, Scythians, and Medes in 612 BC, have been found in many parts of the Acropolis. After 612 BC the city ceased to be important..."

Tyre Will Be Attacked By Many Nations
In Ezekiel 26:3 (written between 587-586 BC) the prophet predicts the attacks on Tyre that occurred in 573 BC, 332 BC, and 1291 AD.

Ezekiel 26:3
therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves.

The prophet said that Tyre, the Phoenician Empire's most powerful city, would be attacked by many nations, because of its treatment of Israel. At about the time that Ezekiel delivered this prophecy, Babylon had begun a 13-year attack on Tyre's mainland. Later, in about 332 BC, Alexander the Great conquered the island of Tyre and brought an end to the Phoenician Empire. Then, after that, Tyre later fell again under the rule of the Romans, the Crusaders and the Moslems, who destroyed the city yet again, in 1291!

Tyre's Stones, Timber and Soil Will Be Cast Into the Sea
In a remarkable prediction, the prophet writes in Ezekiel 26:12 (written between 587-586 BC) that the stone, timber and soil of Tyre will be thrown into the sea! This was fulfilled in 333-332 BC.

Ezekiel 26:12
They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea.

The prophet said that Tyre's stones, timber and soil would be thrown into the sea. That's probably a fitting description of how Alexander the Great built a land bridge from the mainland to the island of Tyre when he attacked in 333-332 BC. It is believed that he took the rubble from Tyre's mainland ruins and tossed it - stones, timber and soil - into the sea, to build the land bridge (which is still there).

The Jews Will Avenge the Edomites
In Ezekiel 25:14 (written between 593-571 BC), the prophet predicts that the Jews will eventually have revenge against the Edomites. This was not fulfilled, however for over 400 years (until approximately 100 BC)

Ezekiel 25:14
'I will take vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will deal with Edom in accordance with my anger and my wrath; they will know my vengeance', declares the Sovereign Lord.

Biblical prophecies are like the text version of pareidolia when attempts are made to make comparisons from them in the 21st century.

Ezekiel said that the Jews would one day take vengeance on Edom, a nation that had often warred with the Jews. When Ezekiel delivered this prophecy, he and many other Jews were living as captives in Babylon. They didn't have control of their own country, let alone anyone else's. But, about 400 years later, Jews regained independence for Jerusalem and the surrounding area during the "Hasmonaean Period." During this time, the Jewish priest-king John Hyrcanus I defeated the Edomites. According to the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "Edomite history was marked by continuous hostility and warfare with Jews… At the end of the second century B.C., they were subdued by Hasmonaean priest-king John Hyrcanus I..."

Edom Will Be Toppled and Humbled
In Jeremiah 49:16 (written sometime from 626 to about 586 BC) the prophet predicts that Edom will be toppled. This was fulfilled in approximately 100 BC:

Jeremiah 49:16
The terror you inspire and the pride of your heart have deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, who occupy the heights of the hill. Though you build your nest as high as the eagle's, from there I will bring you down," declares the Lord.

Jeremiah said that Edom, a long-time enemy of Israel, would be destroyed. Edom's capital city, Petra, was carved out of a mountain side and had great natural defenses. Nonetheless, it was destroyed and the kingdom of Edom no longer exists. Today, Petra is part of Jordan. The city was conquered by the Romans in the year 106 AD but flourished again shortly after that. But a rival city, Palmyra, eventually took most of the trade away and Petra began to decline. Moslems conquered Petra in the 7th Century and Crusaders conquered it in the 12th Century. Petra gradually fell into ruin.

The Greatest Old Testament Prophecy of All
There are literally hundreds of other fulfilled prophecies that we could describe here, but clearly one stand head and shoulders above the rest, and we really need to take a minute to describe it. While the Jews were certainly comforted by prophecies that predicted that their enemies would eventually be destroyed, there was a far more comforting prophecy that had bee described in the Old Testament. It was a prophecy that predicted the coming of a Messiah, a savior who would deliver the Jews. While there we dozens of messianic prophecies in the Old Testament scriptures, one of these was incredibly specific in its claims. As we examine this prophecy, we can confirm the supernatural and divine inspiration of the Bible.

The Coming of the Messiah
In 538 B.C. Daniel wrote the following bold prediction:

Daniel 9:25
"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks of years and sixty-two weeks of years"

In this prophecy, Daniel is claiming that there will be 69 weeks of years between the issuing of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the appearance of the Messiah. Now keep in mind that this bold prediction came 538 years before Christ was born.

Now let's investigate a little history, OK? In 464 BC, Artaxerxes, a Persian king, ascended to the throne. His twentieth year as king would be 464 BC. Nehemiah, the Jewish cupbearer to King Artaxerxes, was deeply concerned with the reports about the ruined condition of Jerusalem which came about as the result of their being defeated (Nehemiah 1:1-4) and as a result, he petitioned the king:

Nehemiah 2:5,6
"Send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers' tombs, that I may rebuild it. So it pleased the king to send me".

Scripture then provides us with the exact date of this decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem. According to the scriptures the decree is issued "in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king" (Nehemiah 2:1). The Jewish calendar month was Nisan, and since no day is given, it is reasonable to assume that the date would be understood as the first, the Jewish New Year's Day. And, in the Julian calendar we presently use, the corresponding date would be March 5, 444 B.C. This was the day on which the decree was issued to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.

Now let's remember this date, March 5, 444BC and take a look at the appearance of the Messiah. You may recall that the Gospels tell us that Jesus, on numerous occasions, had forbidden his followers to make him known as "the Messiah". He would frequently do miracles and tell the disciples not to tell anyone who had done the miracles because his "hour has not yet come" (John 2:4, 7:6). However, on March 30, 33 A.D., when he entered Jerusalem on a donkey, he rebuked the Pharisees' protest and encouraged the whole multitude of his disciples as they shouted, "Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord". And Jesus said, "If these become silent, the stones will cry out" (Luke 19:38-40). This was the day on which Jesus was publicly declared the Messiah.

Now let's compare the date of the decree (March 5, 444 BC) with the dat

What more do you want. now im going to get in trouble for posting 20 or so prophecies. For spam or something. Now go look the rest up yourself. I just copied and pasted them.


Im done with you. Unknown Soldier , you are most likely trolling , and have no intention of researching anything.





To the poster above this , there are many New Testament prophecies that are coming true now. If you havnt noticed or are in denial.

reply to post by milkyway12


Dude those aren't true word for word events.
Go read the LOTR's it's based on true events too...

reply to post by jellyfishbrains


No idea what you are talking about at all.

It came out of the Bible , i cant link the entire chapters. "Dude" id appreciate it if you didnt call me "Dude".

The guy wanted PROPHECIES he didnt mention specific ones. I linked several.


Above prophecy sources www.biblestudytools.com...

Originally posted by jellyfishbrains
The Illuminati? No.

The bible is not the "word" of god. It was written by man. Based on "true" events.

The Bibles stories are not original and have been influenced and stolen from various other religions, events and myths.

Around 300 AD the bible you all blindly love was pieced together to suit the needs of the church at that time. All the books, stories and passages that did not fit there needs were changed erased and burned.

Correct, namely the Gnositic texts which were re-discovered in the 20th century.
These priceless artifacts were buried to avoid being burned and destroyed by the ptb back then. Possibly coinciding with the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria.
That's where the bible's origin's were concieved. Nothing to challenge the bible once that was in ashes, aside from the secret books buried in the desert...

Originally posted by Tindalos2013
From this:

Enuma Elish (The Babylonian Epic of Creation)

Tablet I

1 When the heavens above did not exist,
2 And earth beneath had not come into being—
3 There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
4 And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
5 They had mingled their waters together
6 Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
7 When not one of the gods had been formed
8 Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
9 The gods were created within them:
10 Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
11 While they grew and increased in stature
12 Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.
13 They prolonged their days, they multiplied their years.


Tablet V


1 He fashioned heavenly stations for the great gods,
2 And set up constellations, the patterns of the stars.
3 He appointed the year, marked off divisions,
4 And set up three stars each for the twelve months.
5 After he had organized the year,
6 He established the heavenly station of Ne-beru to fix the stars' intervals.
7 That none should transgress or be slothful
8 He fixed the heavenly stations of Enlil and Ea with it.
9 Gates he opened on both sides,
10 And put strong bolts at the left and the right.
11 He placed the heights (of heaven) in her (Tia-mat's) belly,
12 He created Nannar, entrusting to him the night.
13 He appointed him as the jewel of the night to fix the days,
14 And month by month without ceasing he elevated him with a crown,
15 (Saying,) "Shine over the land at the beginning of the month,
16 Resplendent with horns to fix six days.
17 On the seventh day the crown will be half size,

Source

To this:

1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10: And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16: And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Source 2

Quite a rewrite of just one of the ancient creations texts. What I fail to understand is why the source 2 is preferred over source 1 as holy truth by the great many, logically it make no sense. But people pick and choose as they are wont to do. In God We Trust and those are Apsu and Tiamat. These words will be ignored as expected because people is people and we are all so far away from home.

Heres a brain blasting concept for you,

What if the Akkadian/Sumerians copied from the Hebrew/Caananite story, not the other way around!

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Wrong , the Bible has been dated PRE 300 A.D to around 40-70 AD. That is the NEW testament books.

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So far you have only managed to regurgitate random script from the bible. For instance "Jesus foretold his own death" ... convenient that he was never proven to exist outside of a book that tells this story with the claim he foretold his own death. This is not in any way shape or form considered to be proof. It is mere hearsay and myth. The 3 links you provided came up with the same results... the proof is in the pudding. You entertain the idea nothing more. I could sit here and make thousands of predictions and the odds are many of them might come true statistically.

Show me something, at least something tangible

edit to add: said script is subject to interpretation hence you interpret these "prophecies" and connect them to what works for you

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


I guess you missed the other 15 right? I cant post the entire chapter of the Bible. You are simply trolling and are providing NO arguments what so ever to this discussion besides the prophecies arnt Real and dont exist because i refuse to look at a bible.

I personally think you should leave this thread as you are obviously trolling.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

Do you want me to post 2000 prophecies on the forum? I mean seriously.

I have linked you three , do you want 10 or 20? What do you want.

Seriously , get up and google it. You can find the PROOF YOUR SELF. I dont have to provide because you can simply look it up.

edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

The chronology of Kings makes no sense at several points.[21] The duration of reigns for the kings of Judah does not correspond correctly to their supposed times of accession compared to the reigns of the kings of Israel. Assigning the number of years after Solomon that each king of Judah reigned, by comparing the figure for their predecessor and the length of their predecessor's reign, simply does not equal the figure that you would obtain by comparing the figures for the kings of Israel and which year the king of Judah began to rule compared to the reign of the contemporary king of Israel. The same issue applies to the kings of Israel. There are also external difficulties: Ahaz, according to Kings, reigned for only 16 years, but some of the events of his reign are recorded elsewhere and require Ahaz to have ruled at least between 735 BCE and 715 BCE, a period of 20 years.

This by itself shows that it is inaccurate. If it was written as it was happening, there would be no discrepancies. Which could mean that the following was not a prophecy but instead written to seem like it came true:

Predicted ca. 855 BC: The prophet Elijah predicts Jezebel would be eaten by dogs upon her death in Jezreel. (1 Kings 21:23)– Fulfilled ca. 841 BC: Jezebel is killed in Jezreel and dogs eat her body (2 Kings 9:36).

Another one that doesn't quite match up but is forced to "work".

* The Babylonian captivity would end when the "70 years" ended. (Jeremiah 29:10)

It lasted 68 years (605 BC-537 BC) from the capture of the land of Israel by Babylon and the exile of a small number of hostages including Daniel, Hananiah, Azariah, and Mishael (Daniel 1:1-4). It lasted 60 years (597-537 BC) from the deportation of the 10,000 elite (2 Kings 24:14) including Jehoiachin and Ezekiel though there is a discrepancy with Jeremiah's numbers of exiles (Jeremiah 52:28-30). It lasted 49 years (586-537 BC) from the exile of the majority of Judah (2 Kings 25:11) including Jeremiah who was taken to Egypt and leaving behind a poor remnant (2 Kings 25:12).
However, some Christian scholars try to explain the figure in a different way stating that Jeremiah gave a round number.

There are just a couple that I checked within 5 minutes. Care to add?

reply to post by milkyway12


Dude the bible was not the "bible" untill 300 AD before that is was stories unorganized mostly until Constantine decided to "chose" which books best displayed proper population control. Then he and the church politely burned The Gnostic Bible and other contenders in an attempt to validate his creation.

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No idea how the verses you just linked correspond with Christian doctrine and i have already posted saying the bible has different punctuations , sentence structure , spelling of words that has no effect on the doctrine of Christianity. Grammar changes as time goes on to whats "most correct".

Without these minor issues the bible reflects the original documents in doctrine 99.5% as stated above , with these errors the bible reflects the original documents 80-85 percent and that is simple punctuation , putting The or not using the , or how to spell words.

reply to post by milkyway12


70 years is still 70 years...not 68, not 40 not 2. It is exactly 70. Math is universal, it doesn't change.

reply to post by jellyfishbrains


Actually you are wrong , you need to look up the Origins of the Bible. You are right , the DOCTRINE was the primary thing being used in the new church.

The bible we have NOW MATCH the letters near exactly that was sent to the churches. Letters. It doesnt matter who made the bible it matters that it reflects what the early teachers were teaching. The ones who had contact with Jesus.

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

I guess you missed the other 15 right? I cant post the entire chapter of the Bible.

All text posted are subject to interpretation. I could postulate and go out on a limb and connect them to many things. For instance i could see faces in clouds and see the face of jesus... yet i have never seen the face of Jesus besides paintings therefore it must be really Jesus and a sign of divinity.

You are simply trolling and are providing NO arguments what so ever to this discussion besides the prophecies arnt Real and dont exist because i cant look them up.

Pot meet Kettle

I personally think you should leave this thread as you are obviously trolling.

edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

Looks like i hit a nerve, I was curious to see the proof of these prophecies you speak of. Then you become unhinged when you could not provide proof. You are grasping at straws here and I am beating a dead horse. You are not interested in discussion only interested in projecting your beliefs here.

reply to post by Tindalos2013

And even home, brother, here, where we are, and who that were, are misinterpreted, so that we should never find home again, even by the retelling of the story, for the war meant, it should be misinterpreted, so that we would be adjudged evil and be forever lost