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Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago?
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If there was a LARGE Partical war the data was probably washed under sea ERASED just like if it happens again smh...
reply to post by InsideYourMind
You CAN know the truth.
There is NO evidence of radiation at the site.
NONE.
You certainly haven't provided any.
The ONLY source for this claim is one Russian guy, who wrote a book about it, not in a science journal, but for a publishing company that was the Russian equivalent of the National Enquirer. None of his claims were documented and he claimed to only be repeating what he heard. In other words, he hadn't seen it.
There's NO OTHER SOURCE FOR THIS.
On the other hand there's literally dozens of archaeologists, hundreds of photos, and thousands of visitors that would refute these claims.
The big resurgence of these beliefs came from ultra-sectarian Vedic Physics movement, who brought this all up to show how their ancestors were super awesome. They AGAIN, used the SAME source for their claims.
If you think I'm making this up, you can go read this:
www.mukto-mona.com...
There is NOT two opinions about this. There is FACTUAL evidence, which has been carefully studied and which is wisely available. And there is a nonsensical "theory," that uses lies and misinformation as its backbone and which has NO BASIS in fact.
It's ludicrous to try and equate them as equals. You may as well argue the earth is flat.
You CAN know the truth.
There is NO evidence of radiation at the site.
NONE.
You certainly haven't provided any.
The ONLY source for this claim is one Russian guy, who wrote a book about it, not in a science journal, but for a publishing company that was the Russian equivalent of the National Enquirer. None of his claims were documented and he claimed to only be repeating what he heard. In other words, he hadn't seen it.
There's NO OTHER SOURCE FOR THIS.
On the other hand there's literally dozens of archaeologists, hundreds of photos, and thousands of visitors that would refute these claims.
The big resurgence of these beliefs came from ultra-sectarian Vedic Physics movement, who brought this all up to show how their ancestors were super awesome. They AGAIN, used the SAME source for their claims.
If you think I'm making this up, you can go read this:
www.mukto-mona.com...
There is NOT two opinions about this. There is FACTUAL evidence, which has been carefully studied and which is wisely available. And there is a nonsensical "theory," that uses lies and misinformation as its backbone and which has NO BASIS in fact.
It's ludicrous to try and equate them as equals. You may as well argue the earth is flat.
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reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli
Lets put asside the idea of past nuclear warfare for just a moment.
The pros and cons of the idea.
Lets do a what if scenario..and get some feedback on how to fix the problem at hand.
Lets just say that there was a past civilization of humans that evolved technologically to be able to have computers, nuclear reactors maybe not fission but more advanced fusion reactors. They had air travel both commercial, and military, and even space faring abilities just like we do now, or possibly a little more advanced.
Lets say these humans, not aliens had ruffly everything that we do now. But in the end they destroyed themselves in a nuclear conflageration.
Reducing the survivors to living in caves, these would be the hardy souls strong of limb but not strong in the brain pan. by that I mean they weren't able to fix any of the machines or computers or any other technology that might have survived.
Some say we as human exist in a paradox loop, that were destined to repeat this same event over and over and over again.
What I want to know is How do we break this paradox loop , so that the events of the past don't happen today or in our own future? Theres alot of smart folks here on ATS, I'm sure we can all put our minds togeather and figure out some way to get past the problem.
I for one would like nothing better than breaking this pardox loop and having our current human civilization become what it was ment to become.
The alternitive is very scarry...
So give me some feed back on how to fix the problem..
what if?
hmmmm...
Lets put asside the idea of past nuclear warfare for just a moment.
The pros and cons of the idea.
Lets do a what if scenario..and get some feedback on how to fix the problem at hand.
Lets just say that there was a past civilization of humans that evolved technologically to be able to have computers, nuclear reactors maybe not fission but more advanced fusion reactors. They had air travel both commercial, and military, and even space faring abilities just like we do now, or possibly a little more advanced.
Lets say these humans, not aliens had ruffly everything that we do now. But in the end they destroyed themselves in a nuclear conflageration.
Reducing the survivors to living in caves, these would be the hardy souls strong of limb but not strong in the brain pan. by that I mean they weren't able to fix any of the machines or computers or any other technology that might have survived.
Some say we as human exist in a paradox loop, that were destined to repeat this same event over and over and over again.
What I want to know is How do we break this paradox loop , so that the events of the past don't happen today or in our own future? Theres alot of smart folks here on ATS, I'm sure we can all put our minds togeather and figure out some way to get past the problem.
I for one would like nothing better than breaking this pardox loop and having our current human civilization become what it was ment to become.
The alternitive is very scarry...
So give me some feed back on how to fix the problem..
what if?
hmmmm...
reply to post by itsthetooth
One theory is that in 3000 bc asteriod hit earth. It exploded in airburst and lauched a debris storm back into
space on sub orbital trajectory. The fragments re-entered atmosphere above Mid East and super heated
atmosphere from frictional heating
Anybody outside was flash fried by temps of 500 F (275C)
National Geographic produced a show on it which has been broadcast several times on cable channels
Here is link to show
www.youtube.com...
One theory is that in 3000 bc asteriod hit earth. It exploded in airburst and lauched a debris storm back into
space on sub orbital trajectory. The fragments re-entered atmosphere above Mid East and super heated
atmosphere from frictional heating
Anybody outside was flash fried by temps of 500 F (275C)
National Geographic produced a show on it which has been broadcast several times on cable channels
Here is link to show
www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by Eye of Horus
What I want to know is How do we break this paradox loop , so that the events of the past don't happen today or in our own future?
There is no "paradox loop." What you described isn't a paradox, anyway, because it's self-consistent. It's just an ahistorical scenario. There is no geological, archaeological, historical, genetic, or anthropological evidence that the scenario you envisioned has actually happened. There is plenty of evidence that it didn't. If you just want to run "what if" scenarios, you can break the cycle any way you want, because it's a completely made up cycle and will respond to any made up inputs you give it any way you want it to.
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reply to post by P-M-H
Pointed out in post that nuclear fission produces specific pattern of radioactive by products
Most important is Technetium-99 which has half lfe of 210,000 years and after 100 yrs is the predominate
fission by products
Technetium is only produced by nuclear fission of uranium or plutonium
Detect it and have found proof of nuclear explosion (or a reactor was onsite)
So far nobody has detected Technetium in any samples.......
theres been spots of high radiation under some india citys
and 'jade' like glass along mountain ranges that supposedly are only created from intense heat that melts sand or something.. only other place that 'jade glass' is found is the Nevada nuclear test grounds.. weird # imo
Pointed out in post that nuclear fission produces specific pattern of radioactive by products
Most important is Technetium-99 which has half lfe of 210,000 years and after 100 yrs is the predominate
fission by products
Technetium is only produced by nuclear fission of uranium or plutonium
Detect it and have found proof of nuclear explosion (or a reactor was onsite)
So far nobody has detected Technetium in any samples.......
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
You do not need evidence to consider logic for an interesting discussion. The whole point of a theory is that it does not require evidence... a theory is not neccesarily "true". Get your head around that and stop spamming "give me some evidence" in capitals. Its not needed.
I really cannot be arse'd to continue trying to get a single point across to someone who is in denial about everything.
If you were told the earth was flat, and almost everyone else agreed. You would believe the earth was flat, without having the need to 'prove' it for yourself.
This is my point.
Our history is full of so many lies and false events... it should make us all wonder "what really happened". Take into account the matter of possibility... yes "possibility" is a real word, look it up.
You do not need evidence to consider logic for an interesting discussion. The whole point of a theory is that it does not require evidence... a theory is not neccesarily "true". Get your head around that and stop spamming "give me some evidence" in capitals. Its not needed.
I really cannot be arse'd to continue trying to get a single point across to someone who is in denial about everything.
You may as well argue the earth is flat.
If you were told the earth was flat, and almost everyone else agreed. You would believe the earth was flat, without having the need to 'prove' it for yourself.
This is my point.
Our history is full of so many lies and false events... it should make us all wonder "what really happened". Take into account the matter of possibility... yes "possibility" is a real word, look it up.
edit on 28/11/2011 by InsideYourMind because: (no reason given)
I see that the unresearched and ill informed on this thread are saying that the scientific evidence is "just a theory" and as usual confusing a theory
with a guess. When science says that a comet or asteroid hit this planet and has done so several times science isn't guessing or making outlandish
claims based on some abstract drawing and applying it to what we know today.en.wikipedia.org...
People may imagine that we humans had nuclear weapond thousands of years ago because of blasts which is described in end of the world stories but nowhere in those stories are nuclear weapons mentioned. What is mentioned is the atomic blast like effect which is actually only evidence of a strike from a natural object from space such as an asteroid or comet.
An opinion is your point of view based on what you do or do not know.
Some opinions are based on more credible information than others.
A theory is scientific research with evidence which points to a conclusion.
A guess is an idea that popped into your head by way of your imagination due to lack of other credible information which does not mean to say that the credible information isn't there but rather that some people don't bother looking for it before deciding that we split the atom thousands of years ago.
The opinions based on science have credibility.
The opinions based on a guess born of imagination due to lack of real information has no credibility.
Von Daniken books sit next to Lord of the rings on my book shelf. God was not an astronaut. He wrote books so that people who won't research and like to guess would buy them. JRR Tolkien wrote The Lord of the rings for the same reason. To entertain. At least JRR Tolkien states that his books are fiction so by definition he as more credibility than Von Daniken.
India has nukes now. But not before the 20th century.
Aliens would be real. But they're to far away to even know we're here. Yes the universe is actually that big.
Read real science books. They're actually more interesting then "The day the earth stood still"
People may imagine that we humans had nuclear weapond thousands of years ago because of blasts which is described in end of the world stories but nowhere in those stories are nuclear weapons mentioned. What is mentioned is the atomic blast like effect which is actually only evidence of a strike from a natural object from space such as an asteroid or comet.
An opinion is your point of view based on what you do or do not know.
Some opinions are based on more credible information than others.
A theory is scientific research with evidence which points to a conclusion.
A guess is an idea that popped into your head by way of your imagination due to lack of other credible information which does not mean to say that the credible information isn't there but rather that some people don't bother looking for it before deciding that we split the atom thousands of years ago.
The opinions based on science have credibility.
The opinions based on a guess born of imagination due to lack of real information has no credibility.
Von Daniken books sit next to Lord of the rings on my book shelf. God was not an astronaut. He wrote books so that people who won't research and like to guess would buy them. JRR Tolkien wrote The Lord of the rings for the same reason. To entertain. At least JRR Tolkien states that his books are fiction so by definition he as more credibility than Von Daniken.
India has nukes now. But not before the 20th century.
Aliens would be real. But they're to far away to even know we're here. Yes the universe is actually that big.
Read real science books. They're actually more interesting then "The day the earth stood still"
edit on 29-11-2011 by steveknows because:
Typo
Originally posted by steveknows
Von Daniken books sit next to Lord of the rings on my book shelf. God was not an astronaut. He wrote books so that people who won't research and like to guess would buy them. JRR Tolkien wrote The Lord of the rings for the same reason. To entertain. At least JRR Tolkien states that his books are fiction so by definition he as more credibility than Von Daniken.
God is just as much a fiction story as Lord of the Rings. Do you keep your bible on that sci fi shelf as well? And the Ezekial spacecraft really does show He drives a flying saucer, even proved by a NASA scientist who set out to disprove it
As to von Daniken... when I first saw him it was on a debate with an Archaeologist. Erik maintained calmly all throughout that this was his THEORY and challenged everyone else to make up there own mind, something he still says today. In the debate the archaeologist couldn't offer a counter explanation for the items presented, so resorted to the same tactic most skeptics here at ATS use... attack the person and his credibility, rather than the issue. At the end Pierre Burton said that while he disagreed with Erik, he declared him the winner of the debate, because he stayed calm and stuck to his case, while the archaeologist got angry and abusive on a personal level.
You say you have his books... you say you find them entertaining at least, yet you and others like you seem to feel the need to enter every thread like this and knock down others who enjoy the entertainment and discussion of alternative theories
Besides I seem to recall a thread about you leaving? Or was that just another rant to get attention? Doesn't matter really, but I find it curious this pathological need psuedo debunkers have to attack anything and everything they don't agree with. Why even come to a site famous for alternative thinking and nutty posts? Do you think you can sway people? Wake up... not going to happen.
OH and BTW goodbye rant posts are against the T&C
India has nukes now. But not before the 20th century.
Well Hitler spent a lot of time and money searching for those old weapons of the gods... so perhaps YOU don't know everything
Aliens would be real. But they're to far away to even know we're here. Yes the universe is actually that big.
Again this is merely your uninformed opinion...
Read real science books. They're actually more interesting then "The day the earth stood still"
Boring as hell and even Isaac Asimov wrote Fact and Fiction... and I can point out many science papers that were just WRONG And those 'scientists' that are so uber smart just did THIS
Man-Made "Super Flu" Could Kill Half Of Humanity
So pardon me if science is on my crap list
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reply to post by zorgon
hmm, not fiction just not completely understood. i think there's alot going on there that we assume, because of our various readings and world views, that add more or take more away, than is necessary, because so much of this subject is other worldly in nature. i'm growing fond of the holographic universe theory but to me it doesn't discount god, it just adds more info for consideration.
hmm, not fiction just not completely understood. i think there's alot going on there that we assume, because of our various readings and world views, that add more or take more away, than is necessary, because so much of this subject is other worldly in nature. i'm growing fond of the holographic universe theory but to me it doesn't discount god, it just adds more info for consideration.
Originally posted by InsideYourMind
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
You do not need evidence to consider logic for an interesting discussion. The whole point of a theory is that it does not require evidence... a theory is not neccesarily "true". Get your head around that and stop spamming "give me some evidence" in capitals. Its not needed.
I really cannot be arse'd to continue trying to get a single point across to someone who is in denial about everything.
You may as well argue the earth is flat.
If you were told the earth was flat, and almost everyone else agreed. You would believe the earth was flat, without having the need to 'prove' it for yourself.
This is my point.
Our history is full of so many lies and false events... it should make us all wonder "what really happened". Take into account the matter of possibility... yes "possibility" is a real word, look it up.edit on 28/11/2011 by InsideYourMind because: (no reason given)
You basically have NO idea what your talking about.
A theory is created by looking at evidence and trying to explain it.
There is NO evidence here, so any "theory" you create is just a fiction, and discussing it seriously is a joke.
As for your whole "Earth is flat thing"... EVERYONE, except people that believe silly baseless crap online, DOES think there's no evidence of radiation at the site. So, if you're gonna go with the consensus, then go with that.
As someone else pointed out, nuclear explosions leave evidence. There is none in this case.
That's the consensus.
reply to post by Ph0en1x
you might find some interesting info here?
you might find some interesting info here?
Originally posted by Byrd
The Mahabharata "texts" are actually a well-known hoax. While the book exists, the "proof of ancient war" texts don't. A few have been taken out of context while others have been simply ... because few Westerners have read the books and it's easier to slip a hoax in when the book is originally in a foreign language and has not been read by most of the English speaking world.
The dominant scientific theory remains that the Egyptian pyramids were built to serve as tombs.Theosophy
What if the pyramids were nothing more than nuclear shelters for the rich and elite of the day?
They are of different sizes and smaller ones apparently don't have any chambers inside. For the larger ones, the chambers are about the size of a bathroom (room for the sarcophagus and offering tables) so there's not much of a place to eat, sleep, store food, or have more than one person in there for a few hours.
...detailed descriptions of how to build a nuclear radiation shelter parallel many facets of pyramids. If I am correct about the major role of cosmic rays in global cataclysms that occured in our distant past, and the ancients believed the same, then perhaps the true purpose of pyramids can finally be understood.Pyramid - Cosmic Ray Shelter?
Your source doesn't understand "cosmic rays." Cosmic rays are alpha particles (90%) and can be blocked by a piece of paper -- or an ordinary tent. And the idea of the "Kings chamber"representing the interior walls of a plutonium mill is off target by a very large factor (size) :
en.wikipedia.org...
On Earth the evidence of nuclear wars deep in antiquity is even more convincing
Mahabharata Texts
Here we not only have the physical scars but the graphically written accounts of some of the most ancient texts on Earth. The Mahabharata, an ancient Indian saga at least five thousand years old speaks of flying machines called Vimanas that were used to launch a powerful weapon of destruction; " a single projectile charged with all the power of the universe!"
"The Earth shook, scorched by the terrible heat of this weapon. Elephants burst into flames and ran to and fro in a frenzy, seeking a protection from terror. Over a vast area other animals crumpled to the ground and died. The waters boiled, and the creatures residing therein also died. From all points of the compass the arrows of the flame rained continuously!
Ancient Nuclear
Those are the hoaxed verses. The Vimanas are actually the local name for the temple roofs, so the demons were simply levitating them and riding on them.
The archaeological expedition, which carried out excavations near the Indian settlement of Mohenjo-Daro...stated the ancient town had been ruined with a nuclear blast:
Findings
A hundred years have passed since the excavations in Mohenjo-Daro. The modern analysis showed, the fragments of the ancient town had been melted with extremely high temperature - not less than 1,500 degrees centigrade.Mohenjo-Daro
This has been discussed many times here. The findings are:
* the town is near uranium mines.
* there's no unusual level of radiation in the area
* the devastated town doesn't exist
* now someone's trying to claim "oh...they did the excavation 100 years ago" because the other findings were shown to be lies.
It still doesn't work. You can look up the town for yourself and hunt for non-"ancient war in India" references and you'll quickly see that what is said above is true.
Sadly, the s8int.com site has a collection of what amounts to rumors and urban legends presented as truth. The desert glass has been explained many times...Mahabharata, Evidence of Ancient Nuclear Warsedit on 29-11-2011 by Thurisaz because: edit
That implies that the information found on those websites and shows like ancient aliens is accurate. It might not be. As for the ancient texts, maybe
it was a work of fiction. There is no evidence ancient civilisations had even electrical wires at their disposal.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
You basically have NO idea what your talking about.
A theory is created by looking at evidence and trying to explain it.
There is NO evidence here, so any "theory" you create is just a fiction, and discussing it seriously is a joke.
As for your whole "Earth is flat thing"... EVERYONE, except people that believe silly baseless crap online, DOES think there's no evidence of radiation at the site. So, if you're gonna go with the consensus, then go with that.
As someone else pointed out, nuclear explosions leave evidence. There is none in this case.
That's the consensus.
Fix your caps lock, and then ask yourself why did you make an account to post on a forum which the main topic is conspiracy theories.
I think you will be able to make sense of this: xkcd.com...
How about you let people discuss something without spamming "FAKE DEBUNKED WRONG". Seriously... you are either here for the sake of trolling... or you have nothing else to do it seems. I've had enough of feeding the trolls .
reply to post by InsideYourMind
Right, so when you can't actually defend yourself you choose to just try and deflect.
The thing is, like I've said on this very thread, I come here because it's entertaining, when I'm bored. But that doesn't mean you're belief in nonsense is somehow reasonable. In other words, why I'm hear is unrelated to your silliness.
As I and others have noted, there is NO evidence for your belief that this could somehow be a "theory". There's no evidence, therefore nothing to explain, therefore no need for a theory. Even if I did believe in all this ancient astronaut crap I wouldn't just agree to stupid ideas, because they support my core belief.
In fact, many many many people here on ATS do believe a lot of stuff I don't, but even they require a fairly high standard of "proof".
So, in this case, it's not about my own beliefs re: ancient astronauts, or secret hidden history, it is, again, about the complete lack of evidence for the OPs post.
You don't have to be a "debunker" to demand some sort of evidence before you choose to believe something. You just have to not blindly go through life randomly believing random garbage. This lie the OP posted is random garbage.
Right, so when you can't actually defend yourself you choose to just try and deflect.
The thing is, like I've said on this very thread, I come here because it's entertaining, when I'm bored. But that doesn't mean you're belief in nonsense is somehow reasonable. In other words, why I'm hear is unrelated to your silliness.
As I and others have noted, there is NO evidence for your belief that this could somehow be a "theory". There's no evidence, therefore nothing to explain, therefore no need for a theory. Even if I did believe in all this ancient astronaut crap I wouldn't just agree to stupid ideas, because they support my core belief.
In fact, many many many people here on ATS do believe a lot of stuff I don't, but even they require a fairly high standard of "proof".
So, in this case, it's not about my own beliefs re: ancient astronauts, or secret hidden history, it is, again, about the complete lack of evidence for the OPs post.
You don't have to be a "debunker" to demand some sort of evidence before you choose to believe something. You just have to not blindly go through life randomly believing random garbage. This lie the OP posted is random garbage.
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
Right, i have had enough of your dribbling.
First read the title before posting:
"Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago?"
OP is not providing or claiming proof in any way at all, neither am i. You are going on and on about "FAKE, DEBUNKED, NO EVIDENCE". Yet nobody has even come across the slightest "THIS IS A FACT" claim in any way at all. Its not as if it is even a sensitive subject... what is wrong with you? Go do something else.
Why can't you just have a civilized discussion, if you are not interested in the post then don't reply to it. Now i'm out of here... its a shame people come on here and make a mockery of everything they disagree with forcing others to move away from an interesting discussion. You make it seem as if nobody but yourself is entitled to an opinion if they don't share the same agenda as you.
Right, i have had enough of your dribbling.
First read the title before posting:
"Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago?"
OP is not providing or claiming proof in any way at all, neither am i. You are going on and on about "FAKE, DEBUNKED, NO EVIDENCE". Yet nobody has even come across the slightest "THIS IS A FACT" claim in any way at all. Its not as if it is even a sensitive subject... what is wrong with you? Go do something else.
Why can't you just have a civilized discussion, if you are not interested in the post then don't reply to it. Now i'm out of here... its a shame people come on here and make a mockery of everything they disagree with forcing others to move away from an interesting discussion. You make it seem as if nobody but yourself is entitled to an opinion if they don't share the same agenda as you.
Originally posted by Cassius666
That implies that the information found on those websites and shows like ancient aliens is accurate. It might not be. As for the ancient texts, maybe it was a work of fiction. There is no evidence ancient civilisations had even electrical wires at their disposal.
i'm not supporting or attacking the data on those websites, but the thought crosses my mind that were the technological know-how of an advanced civilization, advanced enough, it wouldn't use wires. likely it would use something non-destructive, capable of withstanding natural disasters, and taking advantage of magnetism, and other forms of earth energy that don't require hacking up the environment to extract them, nor endanger the lives of the lifeforms via dangerous elements of magnetism. that's just an example. there's probably many more energy sources we don't know anything about (or have not been informed). so, dunno if comparative analysis works across the board or not, but advanced may mean more advanced than us. i realize that's our only yard stick but there are plenty of clues. you just have to be willing to accept their existence.
just to share
some evidence in libya aswell www.scribd.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
first modern nuclear test
makes that same glass out of the sand
some evidence in libya aswell www.scribd.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
first modern nuclear test
makes that same glass out of the sand