Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago?

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Alexandra9

 

The area is NOT highly radioactive. The quotes in the OP are fake. They are not in the Mahabharata. They were faked by some French guys to sell books.

edit on 1-12-2011 by captainnotsoobvious because: (no reason given)

potentially to keep people from realizing what the real text says. the actual mahabharata is really spectacular. it didn't need french guys to pretend it said something it doesn't. ergo, somebody was up to schenanigans. i'm calling this french guys thing, an attempted cover-up, with the purpose of distracting people from reading the rest of the actual text. to disambiguate the real info and give skeptics the option of not reading it at all.

reply to post by undo


the real text is online, you can buy it in shops, millions have read it and it's not any more mind-blowing than the bible, which is pretty widely available.

The point is that these french jokers faked some text in a book, to help justify some wild claims... that faked text is floating around the internet and people post it here as if it really is in the book... it's not.

No point in speculating what it means,,, it's a meaningless fiction..

Originally posted by undo i'm calling this french guys thing, an attempted cover-up, with the purpose of distracting people from reading the rest of the actual text.

Come come now, you know skeptics don't ever read the original books so they jump at anything in the hopes no one else will either.



Now get yer butt over you know where

here's a link to the whole thing:

www.sacred-texts.com...

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by undo

 

the real text is online, you can buy it in shops, millions have read it and it's not any more mind-blowing than the bible, which is pretty widely available.

The point is that these french jokers faked some text in a book, to help justify some wild claims... that faked text is floating around the internet and people post it here as if it really is in the book... it's not.

No point in speculating what it means,,, it's a meaningless fiction..

well considering the text describes a guy cloaking his ship which is flying at the time, i think it's pretty advanced for fiction. and same with the bible. ezekiel 1, wormhole forms and out of flies a ship, the description of which contains metallic flying "beings" which cross the entire sky as fast as you can blink. i mean where are these guys coming up with this stuff from if they are so primitive?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by undo i'm calling this french guys thing, an attempted cover-up, with the purpose of distracting people from reading the rest of the actual text.

Come come now, you know skeptics don't ever read the original books so they jump at anything in the hopes no one else will either.

Now get yer butt over you know where

lol well, problem with that. i sent you a u2u explaining that me
special words are not available. lol

reply to post by undo


They aren't. It's not in the book.

It's made-up, not by ancient folks, but by French guys in 1960.

More specifically it comes from Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier fictional book "Morning of the Magicians".

This is all very clearly explained here:

www.jasoncolavito.com...

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by undo

 

They aren't. It's not in the book.

It's made-up, not by ancient folks, but by French guys in 1960.

More specifically it comes from Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier fictional book "Morning of the Magicians".

This is all very clearly explained here:

www.jasoncolavito.com...

yes it is in the book. wouldn't have said it otherwise. .
(i study this stuff for real) and before ya jump the gun and claim i'm getting it from french guys, check the references at bottom of the page. they are both to the actual mahabharata, on the sacred texts site.

here's a relevant quote
"Putting forth his prowess, Madhava hurled unto the sea the Daitya city called Saubha, (moving) in the skies, protected by Salwa, and regarded as impregnable. "

my comment: that's a city flying in the sky, that was hurled into the sea as a result of some aerial combat.
some said well that's just a meteor, okay since when are meteors called cities? you'd think they would know the difference between a meteor and a city.


furthermore,

"Naikartana, was now hurled at the Rakshasa. Beholding that excellent and blazing weapon capable of piercing the body of every foe, in the hands of the Suta's son, the Rakshasa began to fly away in fear assuming a body gigantic as the foot of the Vindhya mountains. Indeed, seeing that dart in Karna's hand, all creatures in the sky, O king, uttered loud cries. Fierce winds began to blow, and thunders with loud report began to fall on the earth. Destroying that blazing illusion of Ghatotkacha and piercing right through his breast that resplendent dart soared aloft in the night and entered a starry constellation in the firmament. "

translated that essentially says that a weapon called naikartana attacked the rakshasa. it was a blazing weapon, armor piercing. the rakshasa (the name of an aerial conveyance in the battle) tries to escape in flight growing in size (whatever that means). wind began to blow, thunders reported to earth (this sounds like a meteor impact but just wait a second, i think it's a lift off).. The weapon apparently was capable of destroying the illusion Ghatotkacha was using to cloak his ship, which the text describes as an invisibility shield of some kind. And THEN, the dart soared into the night sky. This is not describing a meteor crashing but a weapon launched at a ship which then upon piercing a hole threw the ship like some heat seeking missile, continues on into space.

now that's the stuff right there.

references

The Mahabharata: Drona Parva
SECTION CLXXIX
www.sacred-texts.com...


The Mahabharata, Book 7: Drona Parva
www.sacred-texts.com...

here's a youtube attempt by an artist to depict Ezekiel 1 from the bible:

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Could you please post a link that shows that the result of a comet or asteroid impact doesn't have the same effect as an A bomb? because the science books I've got says that they're very similar.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Don't tell him he's wrong (even though he is) or you will get bombarded with out of context quotes and pointless personal attacks . This guy is a spam troll.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Go back and read the thread.

As has been clearly outlined, the quote in the OP is a HOAX.

It is not in the original text.

It's not a mistranslation, it's a fabrication.

How can you be so sure. Do you any "evidence" of that claim? Deny ignorance, as you quoted yourself a few pages ago; and stop being a fool.

Let me know how you actually know what is in the original text... i'm be very interested to know. Its like saying the bible is a hoax because its been translated and misinterpreted so many times... even so it is still far from a hoax.

Please inform me of the original text, i'm assuming you were the one who wrote in many thousands of years ago correct? I don't see any form of evidence that suggests this is a hoax. You simply cannot call something a hoax because "this guy wrote a book about the facts".

Many facts have, are, and always will be wrong relating to human history on this planet. Whether the op's title:
Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago? - (keyword: was, and take account for the question mark!) is anything closer to the truth, no-one can be sure.... but blindly stating "this is a hoax" is exactly the same as someone going: "hey you know what, maybe the earth is spherical?"... and then you coming along and spamming "no, its a hoax because its not real and there is no book about it".

Open your damned mind.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
Go back and read the thread.

Made me fall out of my chair.

reply to post by undo


You are cherry picking. This quote is not in there:

...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendor...

..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment.

If you ACTUALLY study this you know that.

So of those sentences are from 3 decades apart in the storyline, some of them are completely fabricated, names are completely made up and finally some of the context has been completely changed... for instance in the ACTUAL text the projectile is STOPPED and doesn't explode... or whatever it is the hoax was meant to represent.

So no, the OPs quotes are NOT in the book.

reply to post by InsideYourMind


You're completely full of it.

Again, you refuse to EVER address any issues.

Like you laughable understanding of what a scientific theory is.

I'm absolutely NOT wrong abut this. This thread is a HOAX.

And hey, why not go find the quote in the original and link it on here...

If they exist they'll be here:

www.sacred-texts.com...

Shut me up, go find the OPs quote in the actual text.

Or go find some ACTUAL proof there's radiation at the site; proof that doesn't come from a conspiracy site.

Simply repeating that you're right, without EVER providing ANY evidence doesn't make you right.

Here's a quote, part of where the French guys took their hoax from:

Quote When the next day came, Camva actually brought forth an iron bolt through which all the individuals in the race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas became consumed into ashes. Indeed, for the destruction of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas, Camva brought forth, through that curse, a fierce iron bolt that looked like a gigantic messenger of death. The fact was duly reported to the king. In great distress of mind, the king (Ugrasena) caused that iron bolt to be reduced into fine powder. (Mausala Parva, sec. 1)

Note that the bolt was DESTROYED.

Another quote, from the ACTUAL text - this happened THIRTY YEARS LATER in the story:

Day by day strong winds blew, and many were the evil omens that arose, awful and foreboding the destruction of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The streets swarmed with rats and mice. Earthen pots showed cracks or broken from no apparent cause. At night, the rats and mice ate away the hair and nails of slumbering men. […] That chastiser of foes commanded the Vrishnis to make a pilgrimage to some sacred water. The messengers forthwith proclaimed at the command of Kecava that the Vrishnis should make a journey to the sea-coast for bathing in the sacred waters of the ocean. (Mausala Parva, sec. 2)

Now there's NO connection between the two things in the story, but in the OPs quote they are MADE to look connected.

Look at it like this:

In the original text:

Weapon unleashed -> King destroys it - 30 years pass - unrelated tragedy happens

In OPs quote:

Weapon unleashed -> weapon causes tragedy



This thread is a HOAX.

And of course, there's NO ONE named "Gurkha" in the Mahabharata.

EDIT:

In case you wonder why I said that, the original hoaxed quote was this:

Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana,
hurled a single projectile
charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose in all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon,
and iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.

The corpses were so burned
as to be unrecognizable.
Their hair and nails fell out.
Pottery broke without any apparent cause,
and the birds turned white.

…After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected…
…to escape from this fire,
the soldiers threw themselves in streams
to wash themselves and all their equipment. (pp. 72-73 of Lost Cities of Ancient Lemuria and the Pacific by David Hatcher Childress)

David Hatcher Childress was the first person to take the paragraph style of the text, as it's presented in most translations of the Mahabharata, and reformat it into this hokey "verse style" formatting.

He translated the hoaxed French into English, and hoaxed the formatting...

Read this carefully:

Note that the material has been rearranged, lines altered, words dropped, and ellipses added, as though Childress were presenting a scholarly excerpt from a longer text. But he is not. This text appears in this alleged "translation" nowhere before Morning of the Magicians (the original French hoax), and certainly not in the false poetic form given here, or in the rearranged and misleading conflation presented here.

www.jasoncolavito.com...

I think it just bears repeating...

Original text:

When the next day came, Camva actually brought forth an iron bolt through which all the individuals in the race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas became consumed into ashes. Indeed, for the destruction of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas, Camva brought forth, through that curse, a fierce iron bolt that looked like a gigantic messenger of death. The fact was duly reported to the king. In great distress of mind, the king (Ugrasena) caused that iron bolt to be reduced into fine powder.

OPs hoaxed text:

Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana,
hurled a single projectile
charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
as bright as ten thousand suns,
rose in all its splendor.

It was an unknown weapon,
and iron thunderbolt,
a gigantic messenger of death,
which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas.

Link to the Childress book

Please tell me you can see the differences....?

Here's a link to the original text:

www.sacred-texts.com...

Read the last paragraph.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by InsideYourMind

 

You're completely full of it.

Again, you refuse to EVER address any issues.

Like you laughable understanding of what a scientific theory is.

I'm absolutely NOT wrong abut this. This thread is a HOAX.

And hey, why not go find the quote in the original and link it on here...

If they exist they'll be here:

www.sacred-texts.com...

Shut me up, go find the OPs quote in the actual text.

Or go find some ACTUAL proof there's radiation at the site; proof that doesn't come from a conspiracy site.

Simply repeating that you're right, without EVER providing ANY evidence doesn't make you right.

First, you have still not proved to me that there is "no radiation at all" at the supposed site this threads mentions.

I never said i was right or wrong, you are making things up for the sake of trying to defend your silly claims. It is you who said you were right (never wrong, denial of everything), it is a simple case of looking at something and tying the pieces together. I in fact never stated i believed this threads topic... i never will either, because the subject of this thread is not about belief or faith, its about looking at what we have found and piecing things together from that, into something which becomes logical, i also do not disbelieve because that is besides the point. I find it hilarious how you are using terms against me "full of it" in which you are the one carrying them out.

You are the one demanding evidence for which nobody has claimed they have any evidence. Its a discussion, there is no cash-prize for who says "DEBUNKED" or "HOAX" the most times... buy a new keyboard, fix that caps-lock and stop making things up.

Very relevant to this thread:
People who twist-words and change fact (as in what people have written, in books, scrolls, or even internet forums) is the reason there is controversy or confusion in human history, which leads us to question what really happened. If somebody is not allowed to question what is currently known... then that is promoting censorship, which i am very against, so please.. do not reply to me again with garbage. If there is the slightest chance these ancient texts are authentic or similar to what is described and you are against people looking into it at their own will by using the repetitive capitalized words, then please explain why you are posting here, because you obviously have no interest in the subject.

I don't even know why i am writing this, because chances are you will skim through the first 3 and a half words, and then start another rant about how much of a hoax you 'know' this is. Its a waste of my time too... but maybe someone will learn something as a bonus.

You also might want to look up the definition of "theory", claiming i do not know its meaning... but it seems that the hypocrite act is being pulled.
theory

A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained

Good day.

reply to post by InsideYourMind


You're own definition of theory there completely contradicts this thread. And contradicts the other poster's definition.

There is NOTHING to explain here, as there's no evidence of radiation and the "evidence" in the text has been faked.

So, as you say, a theory is generated to explain something (i.e. evidence)

Fake text != evidence
Lack of abnormal radiation != evdence

No evidence = no need for a theory

I do read all these replies btw; I just don't agree with them.

I SERIOUSLY doubt if you went off and check out the links I've posted though... do a little investigation; see if you can find any evidence, not from conspiracy theorists, mind, but evidence, of radiation, then see if you can find the OPs text in the mahabharata.

Here's a deal:

If anyone on this thread can find the OPs quoted text in the mahabharata I will delete my account. If anyone finds ANY evidence, scientific evidence, that there's extreme or even abnormal radiation in Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, I will delete my account.

Easy.

If you want me to go away, then show me this isn't a hoax and I will not only apologise, but delete my account.

Pretty fair. I will put my "money" where my mouth is.

Anyone on the, "this isn't a hoax" side care to take me up on this?

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
***snip***
Here's a deal:

If anyone on this thread can find the OPs quoted text in the mahabharata I will delete my account. If anyone finds ANY evidence, scientific evidence, that there's extreme or even abnormal radiation in Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro, I will delete my account.

Easy.

If you want me to go away, then show me this isn't a hoax and I will not only apologise, but delete my account.

NAH!
You'll just create another account

As one of the few who have read the almost two million words in this ever so ancient and holier than holy collection of very entertaining stories about royalty and wars (is it called royalty for Maharaja?)

You are right. None of what Childress, Dänicken and all the other dudes have quoted can be found - as quoted.

I read the texts when I was young and seriously into believing in ET and former civilizations. I truly believed that they wouldn't lie in hte quotes.
Reading the whole lot opened my eyes and my "open mind" closed somewhat and now I want "them" to prove they are right. NOT me prove they are wring as is so often demanded.

And of course - every major discussion on ATS falls on the demand for US proving THEY are wrong.

But these fantastic texts are still the best source for out of context quotes to back up all the claims anoone wants to make.
And like the Bible one can always claim that what they wrote is not what they mean - because they didn't know the right words for what they tried to tell us.

Indeed I think it is. We started out from scratch then we reached our peak of civilization+technology then one day atomic bomb destroyed everything. That was 10,000 years ago. Then as all technology was destroyed, we started everything from scratch again which was our ancestors. The survivors from that war. The evidences scattered around the world as we discovered ancient crafts, metals,world map, and man-made objects that could not be made by 10,000 years ago. Some man-made objects those were found, even our technology today can't perfect them.

reply to post by amlight


You think incorrectly, this thread is a HOAX thread.