Was there an atomic war roughly 10,000 years ago?

Why do people believe in things without applying logical deduction, its the first step in supporting any type of argument, do you realise how many factors are involved in creating nuclear weapons? probably millions when you take into account the science that led us to understanding the concepts behind universal matter and energy, regardless of uranium enrichment and fusion/fission triggers needed to create nuclear explosions.

So that rules out mankind ever developing WMD's pre-1939, as we are not aware of any existing ANCIENT infra-structure, materials or technology used in the process of nuclear technology/weapons.

Now, many people want to believe aliens are responsible for a supposed atomic war, well assume i entertain the idea of aliens existing, wouldnt nuclear weapons seem a bit crude for an advanced race with the ability to travel across vast distances in space? or maybe they are interdimensional beings, well im not an expert in science or metaphysics but i am interested in the effects of nuclear energy in other dimensions besides our own in order to examine the possibiliy of extra-dimensional beings using such technology. Until we know theres no need to chuck around crazy statement without logical scientific evidence.

There are many logical explanations for the radiation levels, such as uranium ores being crushed possibly as result of a large comet that may have rupture a large concentration over a specific area, and as we know the half life of uranium-238 in its natural form, is pretty damn long.

But yet again people want to bring aliens as an explanation for just about anything. The scripture present in the OP could be describing one of many possible events that could have occured, a nuclear explosion is the LEAST most logical reason......seriously.

To conclude, im sorry, but people should use their thinking hats more often, and leave your star trek fantasies at home,.......... even in star trek they use phasors right?

Regards,

Originally posted by Rosen
I'm not scientist, but apparently petroleum/oil can only form when organic material has been burned at a very high temperature very quickly?

I'm not a scientist either, but no. Petroleum is formed when organic matter is buried and subjected to intense pressure and heat for a long period if time. Given these conditions, hydrocarbons will form. Burning simply makes useless carbon dioxide. Petroleum was often formed on seabeds, too, where it is hard to burn things.

You probably shouldn't learn your geology from UFO cults, either. As far as cults go the Raelians look like they have a lot of fun, but I don't think the oil companies are asking them where they should drill.

It wasn't an atomic war that happened...

It was a series of comet impacts. North America was covered in an ice sheet up until 12,000 years ago, when the largest extinction event in 2 million years lurched Earth out of an ice age.

The scars are literally everywhere for anyone to see, if you know how to look at the Earth.

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I've noticed that as soon as you point out an obvious flaw in their belief such as you need industry before you can split an atom. then they bring aliens into it. The fact that a natural event can cause anything on the scale they talk about is just ignored for the most part.

Interesting thread, and I have thought of this for years and here’s why. As a young man I was interested in ancient civilizations, Egypt, Greece and Rome. You know to many claymation movies from the 70’s.. As I got older I saw a show call man from Atlantis with Patrick Duffy and asked my dad what was Atlantis. Well he didn’t know so I immersed myself into books.

Well I found out that there was not a lot mentioned about Atlantis other than from Plato, but it would seem that he describes it as an advance civilization that fell into the see. So I wondered how could there be an advance culture and a budding culture side by side. Well long before I gave any thought to ET’s I thought maybe the planet circled in time as well as in space…meaning that at the end of our time there would be a return to our beginning with a little overlap where both the beginning and end spend time together.

I know it sounds stupid, but it was an ideal I came up with when I was like 12 or 13 years old…I am 43 now, so give me so credit for even thinking about it in such a unique way at such an early age.

Originally posted by bsmaddux
Interesting thread, and I have thought of this for years and here’s why. As a young man I was interested in ancient civilizations, Egypt, Greece and Rome. You know to many claymation movies from the 70’s.. As I got older I saw a show call man from Atlantis with Patrick Duffy and asked my dad what was Atlantis. Well he didn’t know so I immersed myself into books.

Well I found out that there was not a lot mentioned about Atlantis other than from Plato, but it would seem that he describes it as an advance civilization that fell into the see. So I wondered how could there be an advance culture and a budding culture side by side. Well long before I gave any thought to ET’s I thought maybe the planet circled in time as well as in space…meaning that at the end of our time there would be a return to our beginning with a little overlap where both the beginning and end spend time together.

I know it sounds stupid, but it was an ideal I came up with when I was like 12 or 13 years old…I am 43 now, so give me so credit for even thinking about it in such a unique way at such an early age.

By the time I was 12 I had learned that Atlantis was a myth and that if there was a civilisation anything like Atlantis it was the ancient empire of Crete which was destroyed when half of Crete slipped into the ocean.

And it never had lazers

just popping in again to remind people that:

- there's no evidence of radiation there
- there's no evidence of the corpses as described
- the Vaimanika Shastra, and all in it, are hoaxes (en.wikipedia.org...)
- the fantastic weapon in question, the Brahmastra, was created with meditation and could be stopped with a magic stick, also created with meditation: (en.wikipedia.org...)

This entire thread is BS. There's NO evidence at all, NONE, of an ancient atomic war.

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-there was radiation found
-there were melted elements found that in order to melt them you need like 5k celsius (and you cant put walls into ovens..)
-Acquiring Brahmastra:

The Brahmastra was an elite weapon with only a handful of greatest of the great warriors having access to it. It couldNOTbe acquired by mere training or meditation, it could only be bestowed upon a warrior by Lord Shiva or Lord Brahma. It required great sacrifice and devotion to be granted a Brahmastra, only a few people in the Mahabharata had this weapon at their disposal.

-it might not have been an atomic war, but those were some superweapons, and there was some war
-you are full of BS

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None of that is true...

provide some links that are to REAL sources...

and by the way it was an elite and, IMAGINARY weapon...

more debunking:

tech.groups.yahoo.com...
www.hallofmaat.com...,163722,163722#msg-163722
www.hallofmaat.com...,163722,163729#msg-163729

More info on the source of this BS:
groups.yahoo.com/group/Indo-Eurasian_research/message/10364


All of the radiation/melted walls crap is DEF BS.

With all the technology needed to reach planet Earth from the closest inhabitable planet (even 10,000 years ago when our universe was not as large), they decide to use atomic weaponry?

It's akin to flying a Lockheed Martin to another country, parachuting down and fighting them with sticks and boomerangs.

Oh yeah, hi to everyone by the way, finally decided to make an account

Who's to say we had the nukes? Maybe it were the ET's exterminating that damned human plague on the blue planet.

Originally posted by bigsunday
With all the technology needed to reach planet Earth from the closest inhabitable planet (even 10,000 years ago when our universe was not as large), they decide to use atomic weaponry?

It's akin to flying a Lockheed Martin to another country, parachuting down and fighting them with sticks and boomerangs.

Oh yeah, hi to everyone by the way, finally decided to make an account

And you start with a common sense post. Welcome. Please don't let your IQ drop

another common sense debunk of this is that the corpses supposedly created by the nuclear blasts were founding standing ruins...

pretty sure a nuclear weapon would've actually DESTROYED the buildings, not just the people....



Does this look like a city that was nuked?

And btw:

A lot of the very silly sources for this crap claim the two cities in question held a million people...

From the first page:

"They are thought to have contained well over a million people each."
www.beforeus.com...

In actual fact they had populations of no more than 40K.

The BS runs deep with this one.

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This kind of stuff really gets me thinking... love the idea.

To me this would make alot of sense. One example i can compare this too (quote the opposite actually), which has been argued for a long time is the medieval era... some say that it never existed and the year was "adjusted" to make up for the non existing events (fabrications to change lifestyles, and whatnot, to force humanity in another direction, different heritage etc).

It wouldn't surprise me if there was some kind of fall-out involving radioactive weapons. Think of population control (if that was the reason, and it happened)... not alot of people around. It would be easy to "adjust" the date/year and tell all the children about some fantasy history lessons that never actually happened.

Really makes us wonder what kind of history we really don't have a clue about. After all we have been roaming the planet for a very long time... we only have a brief history compared to how long we may actually have first become an intelligent species.

Perhaps its the way it is translated? Obviously it wouldnt have been written in English so perhaps the more modern words we use today give the impression of a bomb like device?

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
just popping in again to remind people that:

- there's no evidence of radiation there
- there's no evidence of the corpses as described
- the Vaimanika Shastra, and all in it, are hoaxes (en.wikipedia.org...)
- the fantastic weapon in question, the Brahmastra, was created with meditation and could be stopped with a magic stick, also created with meditation: (en.wikipedia.org...)

This entire thread is BS. There's NO evidence at all, NONE, of an ancient atomic war.

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There is more evidence in this thread than your so-called "Counter Evidence".

Don't be so close-minded, can you not even open your mind for one minute and think "What if.... Maybe this could be true... it could be possible" and just think about the possibility for once?

Calling something "BS" because it goes against what your tiny mind has be brought up to believe is plain ignorant. Theres no point going into denial about something we all know nothing about. None of us were alive during that time so no-one really knows.... everything we know about history could all be a lie for all we know.

Originally posted by InsideYourMind

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
just popping in again to remind people that:

- there's no evidence of radiation there
- there's no evidence of the corpses as described
- the Vaimanika Shastra, and all in it, are hoaxes (en.wikipedia.org...)
- the fantastic weapon in question, the Brahmastra, was created with meditation and could be stopped with a magic stick, also created with meditation: (en.wikipedia.org...)

This entire thread is BS. There's NO evidence at all, NONE, of an ancient atomic war.

edit on 28-11-2011 by captainnotsoobvious because: (no reason given)

There is more evidence in this thread than your so-called "Counter Evidence".

Don't be so close-minded, can you not even open your mind for one minute and think "What if.... Maybe this could be true... it could be possible" and just think about the possibility for once?

Calling something "BS" because it goes against what your tiny mind has be brought up to believe is plain ignorant. Theres no point going into denial about something we all know nothing about. None of us were alive during that time so no-one really knows.... everything we know about history could all be a lie for all we know.

The geological and archaeological evidence doesn't support it at all in any way. The geological evidence for a strike would match that of a comet or such but there's no evidence that the human race was or could have been splitting an atom. So that only leaves aliens which is a bit like pulling out Santa when a kid can't explain how his or her bike was built and placed next to the tree.

People today know what the effects of the A bomb are but it doesn't mean that what they're reading about is an A bomb. What people havent' seen real life films of or experianced today is a comet strike or such but the effects would be the same. So these people back then record the strike of heavenly body and then people today read about it and say it's obvously a nuke so they must have had them.

It's actually lazy thinking I believe.

The past of humanity is a real mistery.

In my opinion, we are only sure about what happened in the human past in the last 200 years or so... In the last 200 years we had daily newspapers, we had the invention of photography and the telegraph. The last 200 years are not that misterious, but I think it's really difficult to be sure about what happened in the human history before 200 years ago.

At best, we can be somewhat well informed about what happened in human history in the past 2500 years, since the rise of the Greek civilization, with its "rationality" and its historians like Herodotus.

Before 600 B.C. the human history looks like a very nebulous and unreachable thing to me... I'm not sure about anything that happened before 2500 or 2600 years ago...


The interesting thing is: we now reached a point of human history where our present will not be a mistery for future generations. The daily history of humanity in the 21th century is being recorded in video every day, and being added to YouTube. If humanity is not destroyed (or doesn't destroy itself), the historians of the 27th century will use YouTube as a historical source to understand everything that happened in the beginning of the 21th century...

www.mohenjodaro.net...

Here is a nice photo index of one of the sites in question. If someone could point out the vitrified walls I would like to see a photo of them. I haven't been able to find any. Upon scrolling through these it looks like any other ancient city.