OWS: ATS has your opinion changed?

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Have your views, stance or opinions changed about OWS since OWS started?
If so, from what to what and why?

I know I might be asking for the impossible here but please be respectful of others opposing views and or opinions.

I have supported OWS from the beginning, and still do. I know our country / World is ready for some evolution and this I hope is the beginning. There are always going to be incidents and people who screw up and cause problems for the whole, but the overall goal of OWS is in my opinion - Wicked Awesome!

I was skeptical at first. Although I hoped otherwise, I thought they would quickly run out of steam. They haven't, and the movement spread and got noticed. To persevere in the face of brutality takes guts and commitment.
They have shown both. I am impressed.

I believe in what they are doing...in theory. But When the real revolution those pussies will be the first to run. Real revolutions wont have libraries, internet or drum circles. Libya didnt have that. They had guns and blood. Egyptians stood in the face of the military and wouldnt back down. George Washington didnt sit in the Library or blog in the newspaper, he took the fight to the British. They need to decide which side of the fence they are on, do they really want revolution, or do they want to just make some noise and be on cnn.

reply to post by SLAYER69



No! If anything it has cemented it. Pregnant women harmed to the point of miscarrying. Marines being hospitalized. Cops getting broken legs by bottles. It shows us that we do have something to fight for and it is the most valuable of all amendment rights. Freedom of speech, along with The right to gather peacefully and protest. They could just ignore us like the they do the tree huggers or anit abortion rallyies and just go about their business... but liek I said we have something to fight for.

I have always supported the occupy movement, as many have said I think it is a vehicle for needed changes. Certain elements within it do not bother me, because their voices would be rather quiet if/when it gains support from a larger percentage of Americans that it needs to flourish.

Democracy, all men are created equal and have the right to prosper, for me this is why I support occupy. As a matter of principle that has not changed, even since before the occupy movement. I am unsure about the future of OWS, but I don't think the general idea is going to disappear, if occupy fades something else will eventually follow.

To me it is as interesting as it is important. I do not actively protest, I have a job, everything in my life is completely fine... however this is not so for everyone, some don't have anything because some have too much. These people, no matter how much you would like to call them trash and hippies, at least they have what it takes to get up in the morning to the smell of tear gas to fight for what they believe in with the hope of a better life for the next generation.

I support the OWS because I'm against ignorance, and the ignorance of the situation is sitting around talking about why the government/corporations are screwing us, but not actively doing anything about it.

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow


I support the OWS movement!

I am thrilled to see attention being given to the fact that the 99% have been screwed over by corporations and politicians. Wall street blackmailed congress when Hank Paulson (Bush's Secretary of the Treasury) demanded 800 billion to buy "Troubled Assets" from the financial hot shots running Wall Street. The traders at Goldman Sachs and other brokerage houses lost billions, then demanded our tax dollars to cover for their mistakes, greed and arrogance. Then they gave themselves bonuses with OUR TAX DOLLARS. Isn't that a reason to protest!

I would like the movement to OCCUPY "K" Street. As the weather gets colder and camping out becomes more difficult, they should go to a flash mob model to converge on a different Lobbying Firm or politician's office each day.

Politicians haven't cared, because the world they see around Washington DC is flush with cash and jobs due to the thousands of lobbyists making hundreds of thousands per year. Do some research and find out what kind of jobs your congressman's children got. Their kids get cushy jobs due to their corporate sponsors doing them favors that aren't directly in cash. Even the politicians spouses are lobbyists, adding a couple of hundred thousand to the $175,000 they make, so they do not feel our pain.

Give congressmen and senators a reason to at least notice the rest of America, not just the lobbyists that they tap for campaign cash. The Supreme Court justices even have lobbyist wives, which helped fashion the "Money is Speech" Citizens United decision. The OWS movement is trying to compete with the millions of corporate cash buying our congress. I wish them luck!

I have witnessed alot of negative threads relating to OWS here at ATS, and, for the life of me, I can't figure out why. (Other than hired disinfo agents)

Of all the places on the interwebs that should support these intrepid and brave souls, it should be here.

Those who oppose them say they do not have a clearly defined message, to which I say 'bollocks.'

Their message is clear: Get Big Business Out of Our Democracy.

That message is everywhere, and gaining ground all the time.

Why would otherwise astute ATS'ers choose not to see this message which is clearly laid out for all to see? For their own personal motives, in my opinion.

Some are bitter that these folks did not join the Tea Party, some are purposely trying to dismantle the message, and some are just too dense to understand.

The propaganda from the same old two labelers is getting louder, but OWS is not taking the bait.

I remember sometime last week seeing a thread about OWSer's who were beating kids or some such ridiculousness, and I remember thinking, man they are getting desperate.

What I can say is that the amount of threads bashing OWS is inversely proportional to the movement's effectiveness.

The closer they get to change, the more negative threads you can expect to surface here.

Don't like the direction OWS is heading? Get off your @$$ and get involved.

My feelings about the movement have been galvanized since seeing all the negative nancies poo pooing it here.

Originally posted by ringlejames
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

No! If anything it has cemented it. Pregnant women harmed to the point of miscarrying.

Yeah, That one sounded bad but as it turns out she may be lying. Her own family has called her out on it. So I agree emotions are running high on all sides...

Occupy protester's miscarriage claim questioned...."My daughter is a compulsive liar,"

A Seattle teenager's claim that abuse by Seattle police caused her to miscarry has become a viral Internet sensation of the Occupy Wall Street movement, but no evidence has emerged to support her allegation.


Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.


Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."

Stebbins' older daughter echoed the statements in a separate interview.

Originally posted by satron
I support the OWS because I'm against ignorance, and the ignorance of the situation is sitting around talking about why the government/corporations are screwing us, but not actively doing anything about it.

im against OWS because of the ignorance of the protestors

reply to post by DrNotforhire


I'm against those who are against OWS because of the ignorance of their argument.

SO, we should only gather together if we're all part of Mensa? All OWSer's are ignorant?

Did they just decide to camp out in the cold for the chance to drink hot chocolate?

Fail Logic is Fail.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by ringlejames
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

No! If anything it has cemented it. Pregnant women harmed to the point of miscarrying.

Yeah, That one sounded bad but as it turns out she may be lying. Her own family has called her out on it. So I agree emotions are running high on all sides...

Occupy protester's miscarriage claim questioned...."My daughter is a compulsive liar,"

A Seattle teenager's claim that abuse by Seattle police caused her to miscarry has become a viral Internet sensation of the Occupy Wall Street movement, but no evidence has emerged to support her allegation.


Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.


Stebbins said Fox, whom she parented for 10 years, has a pattern of exaggeration. "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."

Stebbins' older daughter echoed the statements in a separate interview.

Thats very interesting, my intuition told me something wasnt quite right with the story, firstly no evidence of her being hit at all. I didnt want to say anything because if it was true(it could still be for all I know) Id look like a complete ar$e (and still could).

Originally posted by jimnuggits

What I can say is that the amount of threads bashing OWS is inversely proportional to the movement's effectiveness.

The closer they get to change, the more negative threads you can expect to surface here.

Don't like the direction OWS is heading? Get off your @$$ and get involved.

My feelings about the movement have been galvanized since seeing all the negative nancies poo pooing it here.

Maybe the evidence linking George Soros financing and other questionable groups like communist groups could have something to do with it.
The closer they get to change the more imperative it is for groups with an agenda that opposes theirs to gain a foothold within and redirect it away from its original goals. And why should your feelings towards them be enhanced by the negative remarks of others, by the nature of this forum, seekers of truth, private investigators of facts. I have no doubt that this forum is full of counter intelligence agents that seek to disrupt or pollute the truth, that aside, requires more critical thinking on your part. To like something simply because others hate or point out its flaws is ridiculous.

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Thanks brother. I should have investigated. I guess being a regular member here on ats is going to be like my posts within the blackjack world. Thanks for the tip.

reply to post by OneManArmy


It is not the negative remarks themselves, but the substance of the weak arguments that galvanizes my support.

Hopefully, OWS realizes that attempts at infiltration will occur, and takes the proper steps to ensure that they fail.

Having no 'leader' is a great start toward that end, in my opinion, although it is problematic when they come to the negotiating table later.

The Occupy movement is more than just some people camping out on the street, it is changing the political landscape and will not be turned back by any amount of tear gas or unwarranted arrests.

In fact, it is safe to say that the protesters on the street are a sort of public figurehead, to those of us working inside the system to change it.

They don't have to do anything other than what they are doing, and more and more 'regular' people are being swayed to their cause.

A runaway train, for sure.

Originally posted by jimnuggits
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

It is not the negative remarks themselves, but the substance of the weak arguments that galvanizes my support.

Hopefully, OWS realizes that attempts at infiltration will occur, and takes the proper steps to ensure that they fail.

Having no 'leader' is a great start toward that end, in my opinion, although it is problematic when they come to the negotiating table later.

The Occupy movement is more than just some people camping out on the street, it is changing the political landscape and will not be turned back by any amount of tear gas or unwarranted arrests.

In fact, it is safe to say that the protesters on the street are a sort of public figurehead, to those of us working inside the system to change it.

They don't have to do anything other than what they are doing, and more and more 'regular' people are being swayed to their cause.

A runaway train, for sure.

I for one truly hope its the start of something much bigger, but as history has taught me, Im very cautious, I know how these things get infiltrated and steered away from the goals that seek to empower us, and simply become the tools of our further enslavement. Just makes me thing of Orwells "Animal Farm", which was simply satire about the Bolshevik Revolution. Look where that got the people of the Soviet Union. Or the "Peoples" Republic of China, serious offenders of human rights violations.

reply to post by OneManArmy


We need to expand our options, definitely.

The current extremes of political discourse, i.e. you are either a fascist or a socialist, are really going to tie the hands of all of us, not just OWS.

We need to reinvent our politics, from the ground up.

My hope is that OWS will spur more candid and honest conversations.

Originally posted by jimnuggits
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

We need to expand our options, definitely.

The current extremes of political discourse, i.e. you are either a fascist or a socialist, are really going to tie the hands of all of us, not just OWS.

We need to reinvent our politics, from the ground up.

My hope is that OWS will spur more candid and honest conversations.

I agree but esentially the political spectrum is simply a scale of
"collectivism" ie socialism/communism - the rights of the many outweighing the rights of the individual
vs
"individualism" ie fascism/ corporate capitalism - the rights of the individual and free enterprise over the rights of the many.
The scale is simply everything from one side of that debate to the other, but there are many shades in between the two, and a balance has to be found from the best of both worlds. This had been lost in the black and white world of 2 party politics, either one or the other, which to the informed is just as ridiculous as the whole intelligent design vs evolution debate where its either one or the other, when instead a balance between the two can and should be found.
I thought the whole point of debate was to find common ground and understanding, until we can manage to compromise for the cause of peace then peace never will be a reality.

I found this today.. another reason I can't stand OWS

just look at these pictures and cringe for your freedoms!

thedaleygator.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by Siddharta


So most people are waiting for a handbook or a leader they can follow? They miss the chance to take part in a movement which they could influence with their voices then. Change cannot be ordered from the pizza service.

Nelson Mandela,Gandhi,MLK all were part of movements that changed the world,OWS...?

Not so much.

Protesting doesn't require pitching a tent either.

OWS comparing themselves to ANY other GREAT movement,is also preposterous.