OWS now heckeling, following, threatening children???

reply to post by SrWingCommander


Anonymous made it clear from the start they can and will harm people. Their videos are made in such a way as to try and put fear into people much like the government tries to keep people afraid of the terrorist. The real leaders stir up people to act and then hide while their pawns do their dirty work. That is the same way the CIA and the top world bankers operate, they get people to do their dirty work while they hide at the top. This could be why people think Anonymous are in fact a false flag operation for the same people.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by nenothtu

 

beheadings? can you point out where you read this/heard this?
i want to be sure i understand what this is all about.

Here are a couple:

LINK

LINK

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


I did not mean ALL policemen. Sorry if you misunderstood. For example, the police I encountered the two weekends we were at OWS were edgy but polite.

One cannot say or judge any group by saying ALL.

I really suggest though reading "Political Ponerology" by Andrew M. Lobaczewski.

The world is in the crisis it is in because it has for far too long been run by people that are power seeking, greedy psychopaths (for the most part / not all).

The police I have met in my township are some of the finest people I know.........read some of my other replies to various posts.

One officer driving by at 2 AM saw the beginning of our garage started to burn down (oldest son smokes) and got us out of the house and saved our home and us by his quick action.

In some of my other posts I have always said to judge a person on their own merits.

Two other books you may wish to add to your library are by Naomi Wolf, "Give Me Liberty" and "The End of America".

We are, in my opinion, already a Corporate Dictatorship because the big corporations have bought out our government .................... read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Gregg Palast and "Corporatism" by Jeffrey Grupp.

While many police officers and soldiers are still decent human beings, you also may wish to view the hundreds of hours of interview videos from the many men that served under Hitler.

Our police and military, as each year passes, seem (again in my own opinion) to serve the corporate / government interest vs. the people.

Look at the videos from OWS......look closely at the expressions on the faces of the police.

Now, go to You Tube and look at the soldiers and SS from Hitler's Regime................compare the two.

Again not ALL, but each year, the ones that do not conform to the "policy" are routed out and replaced with others that will conform......................there is a possibility of history repeating itself if we are not careful.

I have seen more videos of the police so far being obnoxious compared to the demonstrators.

If you don't believe me, I will be more than glad to begin posting some of these videos.

Also, going back in memory to my demonstration days in St. Louis during the Vietnam War............I was in the front.................the police were in battle line formation, five deep and hitting their left palms with their clubs in their right hand, signally they were physically ready to bash our heads in. None of us had anything but signs clearly visible.

I remember their expressions, very chilling because their eyes were dead or mad and they reminded me of pictures of again Hitler's goons.

Some people will do anything for a paycheck/job............they will rationalize killing for TPTB.

This is how the few are able to manipulate the many.

Please see the ATS post link and video showing police spraying some orange (pepper spray?) on people sitting down..........this is wrong.

Who do these officers serve?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by digitalf
whilst I don't support any intimidation of non-ows protesters, it's not exactly a crime on the same par as global bank corruption imo.

do you think i should panic now? does having an opinion on ATS endanger the lives or livelhood of its membership?
i don't agree with corruption either but just because i don't agree with corruption doesn't mean i have to agree with other things people do that i disagree with. what's up with that? is ATS now a hazard to post on?

Nah. There are just those around who would like you to think it hazardous. They prefer to silence through intimidation, and that usually vaporizes upon confrontation.

Don't be skeert. It's all BS, bluster, and chest-thumping. Just proves that we ARE primates after all.

Originally posted by nenothtu


Here are a couple:

LINK

LINK

the first link is kinda meh, sorta borderline but that second one, wow.
that doesn't sound like the message most of the people at OWS are shown saying. is that person
suggesting that is the solution OWS has to the issues we're all facing? i kinda doubt it but just
trying to find out if you read anything else that suggests they want to kill everybody that disagrees
with them at any level? (i mean, what would they expect people to think if that's their focus?)

even the second link says if you're not a banker or a rich politician, you'll be fine. or someting to that effect. due process not in his vocabulary, i take it

reply to post by undo


That's only the rhetoric of a minority of them. It's nothing really to be concerned about at this point. Loud, fractious and obnoxious, yes, worrying, no. There are those types around in the general population as well.

What concerns me somewhat is that sort of thing in combination with mob mentality. At a certain point of emotional fever pitch, that type of thought catches on like a wildfire, and runs rampant. It's far more likely to without structured direction and focus within a movement to offer an alternative. I'm just not seeing that structure and focus yet, but it could emerge at some point. It could really go either way.

Once the killing starts, though, it's hard to say where it stops. bankers today, ANY opponents tomorrow as the bankers are dealt with and the mob needs new targets. That's a big part of the operation behind "counter revolutions" in the old socialist takeover attempts. They made use of everyone, then eliminated the opposing thinkers in the riotous aftermath, and called that process "counter-revolution" and the killings of opponents "execution of counter-revolutionaries".

Nothing to worry about at this point, but something to be aware of and watch for.

Originally posted by nenothtu
Once the killing starts, though

I was just wondering what color the sky is where this was posted. I do not recall this same concern from you when the TEA party was calling for murder en masse. I have to ask why that might be? Do some groups fall prey to mob mentality while others such as the TEA party would only kill exactly who NEEDS to be killed and be able to stop before it gets to "frenzy?"

This thread is still going? The mind numbing ignorance is astounding.

THIS THREAD

And by next week all us OWS will be labeled pedophiles, according to the fringe


Also
www.abovetopsecret.com...

pps sling moar mud please, what does not kill us makes us stronger

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by nenothtu
Once the killing starts, though

I was just wondering what color the sky is where this was posted. I do not recall this same concern from you when the TEA party was calling for murder en masse. I have to ask why that might be? Do some groups fall prey to mob mentality while others such as the TEA party would only kill exactly who NEEDS to be killed and be able to stop before it gets to "frenzy?"

good point. i think the original tea party was not a massacre of citizens though. doesn't seem like the tea party is the best case for comparison. what neno seems to be talking about is evidenced when ever there's a socialist or communist revolution.

reply to post by undo


I am not sure what you mean. I am speaking of the modern day TEA party and the fact that one of it's main themes is advocating the murder of fellow Americans. Apparently outright saying that as a group is not a concern, just a few lone nuts is?

Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by undo

 

I am not sure what you mean. I am speaking of the modern day TEA party and the fact that one of it's main themes is advocating the murder of fellow Americans. Apparently outright saying that as a group is not a concern, just a few lone nuts is?

i'll ask you the same thing i asked neno, can you show me evidence that the tea party or members thereof, were suggesting killing americans, and could you provide evidence that this is the major thrust of the tea party itself or will it be circumstantial like the links neno provided?

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by nenothtu
Once the killing starts, though

I was just wondering what color the sky is where this was posted.

Black at the moment. What is the relevance?

I do not recall this same concern from you when the TEA party was calling for murder en masse. I have to ask why that might be?

I'm still waiting on your "evidence" in support of that claim.

Do some groups fall prey to mob mentality while others such as the TEA party would only kill exactly who NEEDS to be killed and be able to stop before it gets to "frenzy?"

Mobs are mobs. I can't say that I give a damn about their political leanings.

You seem to be laboring under the illusion that I'm a Tea Partier.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by FallenWun

Originally posted by nenothtu
Once the killing starts, though

I was just wondering what color the sky is where this was posted. I do not recall this same concern from you when the TEA party was calling for murder en masse. I have to ask why that might be? Do some groups fall prey to mob mentality while others such as the TEA party would only kill exactly who NEEDS to be killed and be able to stop before it gets to "frenzy?"

good point. i think the original tea party was not a massacre of citizens though. doesn't seem like the tea party is the best case for comparison. what neno seems to be talking about is evidenced when ever there's a socialist or communist revolution.

Not just socialist or communist - they're just relatively recent examples. The French Revolution had a hard time quitting cold turkey, too.

Mobs are mobs. Collectivists just have a habit of mobilizing undirected mobs. They aren't the only ones who do so.

Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by undo

 

I am not sure what you mean. I am speaking of the modern day TEA party and the fact that one of it's main themes is advocating the murder of fellow Americans. Apparently outright saying that as a group is not a concern, just a few lone nuts is?

Only problem with that line of reasoning is that they don't. I'm not a big fan of their politics these days, but one thing they do have in their favor over OWS is an ability to self-control.

Originally posted by undo
i'll ask you the same thing i asked neno, can you show me evidence that the tea party or members thereof, were suggesting killing americans, and could you provide evidence that this is the major thrust of the tea party itself or will it be circumstantial like the links neno provided?

I feel like you are being sincere but I know you too well to believe you do not already know what I am referring to. Did you not notice something? After I posted that, there was no influx of shocked, dismayed defenses at the horrible horrible thing I laid at their feet. No, there is just two people saying basically "meh." Gosh, I wonder why that is. Do you?

Tell me, what it was again the TEA party wanted to water the tree of liberty with.

Originally posted by nenothtu
Black at the moment. What is the relevance?

Coy is not a suit you wear well.

I'm still waiting on your "evidence" in support of that claim.

"Still?" As if you had asked and I kept you on hold? Neat how you blame others for what you have you to gain for yourself.

Mobs are mobs. I can't say that I give a damn about their political leanings.

Then it begs the question why the hell you are in here specifically opining on this one "mob." Again you put that as if someone else forced the situation you are in upon you.

You seem to be laboring under the illusion that I'm a Tea Partier.

You seem to be fully enveloped by the delusion that it matters to me what you are in any fashion.

Let me know if you have something on topic. You know what the TEA Party wanted to water that tree with?

Originally posted by nenothtu
Only problem with that line of reasoning is that they don't.

Don't what? What the hell are you pushing now?

I'm not a big fan of their politics these days, but one thing they do have in their favor over OWS is an ability to self-control.

Your selective memory is your problem. Why you brag about is is more than beyond me.

but I know you too well to believe you do not already know what I am referring to.

reply to post by FallenWun


what? no, i don't know what you're referring to and i don't know enough about you to make the assumptions as to your reasoning for asking questions. i mean who the hell are you that you can say you know me so well. what? not even my family can say they know me so well, that they can predict why i ask a question. i wouldn't ask if i didn't want an answer to be provided by the person who claims they know the answer.. . again, i ask the same thing i asked of neno (in regards to OWS).. did the modern day tea party or any of its members suggest killing other americans? and can you prove it is more than an isolated incident and circumstantial like neno's link about OWS members talking beheadings and guillotines?

don't try to BS me or tap dance around this subject. i don't know enough about you to claim this is some trend of yours but if you keep it up, i'm going to assume you have problems with being truthful.

You seem to be fully enveloped by the delusion that it matters to me what you are in any fashion.

reply to post by FallenWun

well i would say his position on the tea party is relevent to this particular part of the discussion because you're suggesting his support for the tea party nullifies his disagreement with OWS, as if everything in life was either one thing or the other and nothing inbetween. he's telling you that THAT particular part of your reasoning regarding his anti OWS stance is incorrect, and who would know better than him, what his stance is on the tea party? are you claiming he's lying about that? and if so, do you have evidence that he's lying about that and that's he's really secretly, a current tea party supporter ? if that's not your premise and you really don't care what his position is on the tea party, why in the hell would you bring it into the conversation?

don't tell me this is going to devolve into demos vs. repubs again. no wonder we don't know what the crap is going on anymore, as every time anything important comes up it gets covered up in layers of partisan bologna. (which, btw, is why we STILL haven't had a female president when many other nations have)

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by undo

 

I am not sure what you mean. I am speaking of the modern day TEA party and the fact that one of it's main themes is advocating the murder of fellow Americans. Apparently outright saying that as a group is not a concern, just a few lone nuts is?

Only problem with that line of reasoning is that they don't. I'm not a big fan of their politics these days, but one thing they do have in their favor over OWS is an ability to self-control.

just to satisfy my curiosity, what's the tea party been up to lately that has lost your support? i'm watching all these political machinations and "mob" concepts, trying to figure out what the bottomline of all this is, so i know what to expect.