OWS now heckeling, following, threatening children???

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I agree. I'm not sure about the OWS movement but I am definitely sure about what is happening in the news report.
"Kicking and Screaming"
A complete sham of a report!

I used to think you were intelligent

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what, am i supposed to be humiliated now? interesting tactic. not effective. pissin' me right off tho, and when i get pissed, i end up having to go pray for the person and myself, so i don't go around with big heaps of negative # dripping off my words. you tap dancing into my alley ?

back on the topic, if the majority of the people in the movement voted democrat, there's your answer. any polls on that subject?

For those that do not understand politics here is the deal:

Communism----Socialism---Capitalism

In a communist system such as the ex-USSR everything was public including your personal belongings.

In a socialist system such as western europe two decades ago, major industry and infrastructure was public with private central banking(bad, should be public) and everything else was privately owned. Socialism failed becausw of the banking cartels restricting access to money and the ultra-rich hoarding their funds in undisclosed offshore accounts.

With Capitalism everything is private, including the government and banking. That means those that hoarde the most money will live like kings because they own governemnt via legal bribing. Remember the first amendment now means unlimited cash donations to any political party during election.

Karl Marx said socialism was the path to communism and is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, depending on various factors. There are many shades to this system!

Originally posted by DarthAwesome
reply to post by DrNotforhire

 

Why dont you check the link before commenting because the only stupidity being represented is your own for buying this smear campaign hook, line, and sinker.

oh i dont care.. i think this protest is stupid.. ill post whatever I like about it... 1st amendment right?

Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Procession101

 

sadly, calling people lunatics and evil capitalists is not going to endear people to your message or movement. neither is claiming they are brain-washed by the boob tube and need to be deprogrammed. all your succeeding in doing is convincing people on the fence, that your movement is filled with people who hate most of the country, who are tv watchers or capitalists or both. you need to dial down the rhetoric cause it's toxic

I truly believe the toxic part of our society lies in the terrible concepts and beliefs spread by Glen Beck and the like. It's very obvious that he is working as a shill for the banks and is trying to carry forward some sort of zionistic agenda.

nah he's a mormon. i lived in utah, against my wishes, for 10 years. i know all about the mormons. he's no shill, he's just following what he believes, based on what he knows. mormons have people all over the world. they have a huge intelligence network. they know stuff that'd make your hair stand on end. and as a result, so does glenn beck. you can rest assured, what he's saying is the truth but it's just not politically acceptable to people who have a different viewpoint.

i remember people getting up in the air over his references to the muslim brotherhood's future plans. consider it intell when he says what's happening but only intell he's allowed to release for public consumption. and half the info is not much better than none but it is something. i mean, that's what i get out of it all, just based on my experiences in mormon land and my research of their power structure.

he got spanked for saying it too.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
For those that do not understand politics here is the deal:

Communism----Socialism---Capitalism

In a communist system such as the ex-USSR everything was public including your personal belongings.

In a socialist system such as western europe two decades ago, major industry and infrastructure was public with private central banking(bad, should be public) and everything else was privately owned. Socialism failed becausw of the banking cartels restricting access to money and the ultra-rich hoarding their funds in undisclosed offshore accounts.

With Capitalism everything is private, including the government and banking. That means those that hoarde the most money will live like kings because they own governemnt via legal bribing. Remember the first amendment now means unlimited cash donations to any political party during election.

Karl Marx said socialism was the path to communism and is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, depending on various factors. There are many shades to this system!

you're just referring to the money side of it. you're not touching on human rights and fruits of your labor and the right of the individual to work to better themselves. that part of capitalism has been slowly drained away by the invasion of various types of socialists, including communists and fascists, who took up jobs in our universities and taught new generations that capitalism was evil

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I voted for a democrate many times in the past only because I thought a vote for the green party or socialist party was a vote thrown into the garbage. The smaller parties in many cases are not legally recognised in some states due to lack of funding and lack of voter interest to justify their existance.

I am sure many libertarians like ron paul feel the same way and end up voting republican. They feel their vote would be wasted if they kept it pure.

We should keep it pure though and end the two party system. Changing the election process is the first step!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by undo

 

I voted for a democrate many times in the past only because I thought a vote for the green party or socialist party was a vote thrown into the garbage. The smaller parties in many cases are not legally recognised in some states due to lack of funding and lack of voter interest to justify their existance.

I am sure many libertarians like ron paul feel the same way and end up voting republican. They feel their vote would be wasted if they kept it pure.

We should keep it pure though and end the two party system. Changing the election process is the first step!

we need many parties, not no parties. no parties=tyranny. no thank you.

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I think if there were no parties, then it wouldn't necessarily be tyranny.... People would have to look at things like voting histories etc, and not just vote for a person because the parties leaders said so, like a whole lot of people vote now.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by undo

 

I think if there were no parties, then it wouldn't necessarily be tyranny.... People would have to look at things like voting histories etc, and not just vote for a person because the parties leaders said so, like a whole lot of people vote now.

it would devolve into a jim jones scenario. the crazy guys rise to the top. if you don't have safeguards in place, like other crazy guys, the one crazy guy will go psycho (insert hitchcock music here) nuts and kill his own countrymen by the millions. and if there's not a single crazy guy up there, the mob will vote away your right to breathe, eat, exist, based on any number of pre-determined things. mob mentality is easily manipulated.

don't you realize the guys who created the gov of the usa already had many examples for comparison and knew what worked and what didn't. we kept getting highjacked by socialists with their central banks and variety of proponents, that benefited from capitalism greatly but with the intention of ruining it for everyone else. and that's where we are now. whatya wanna bet, the soviets and china are really not even remotely capitalistic, and they just didn't tell us in school, about how communist governments and their elites, make money.

Originally posted by undo

you're just referring to the money side of it. you're not touching on human rights and fruits of your labor and the right of the individual to work to better themselves. that part of capitalism has been slowly drained away by the invasion of various types of socialists, including communists and fascists, who took up jobs in our universities and taught new generations that capitalism was evil

That is a claim I would expect a billionare to make.

"I made all my money by being a great student, then worked 3 part time jobs and then I started a business that became extremely successful. I made every penny of that $300 billion and I feel little responsibility in paying taxes the government claims I owe them. All those lazy sobs should do everything I did!"

Unfortunately in the real world undo, not everyone can afford the best college, have the best connections, be lucky and healthy enough....to make that money. If they can however, then they should pay a reasonable amount to the government..unless they want to become a citizen of mexico or canda and take their money there and pay canadian and mexican taxes.

Your professor was correct, capitalism is evil if you understand how it works, and I do, therefore i do not support it and I feel just as american as you do, because I was born there. I do not have a green card like others and neither did I cross the border illegaly.

It is a pretty sad day in america when socialists get called commies and blamed for free market ideals of reagan and bush gone bad. Reagan was the one who came up with deregulation of the markets and leveraged buyouts, spent trillions on star wars BS and then came bush to repeal the glass steagel act to cause this armageddon of financial catastrophes.

Then obama takes over and is expected to clean house in just 4 years. Yeah right! That is like asking an olympic swimmer to cross the atlantic ocean by himself, in other words impossible. Yes the democrats are corrupt. We all know that but they don't really create any problems, they simpley stay out of the white house and play golf all day. Trust me that is an accomplishment in that doing nothing is better than doing the wrong things.

I feel sorry for all the people who have been brainwashed to death...but at the same time it is not my fault either. I am simply telling it like it is so people wake the hell up!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by undo

you're just referring to the money side of it. you're not touching on human rights and fruits of your labor and the right of the individual to work to better themselves. that part of capitalism has been slowly drained away by the invasion of various types of socialists, including communists and fascists, who took up jobs in our universities and taught new generations that capitalism was evil

That is a claim I would expect a billionare to make.

"I made all my money by being a great student, then worked 3 part time jobs and then I started a business that became extremely successful. I made every penny of that $300 billion and I feel little responsibility in paying taxes the government claims I owe them. All those lazy sobs should do everything I did!"

Unfortunately in the real world undo, not everyone can afford the best college, have the best connections, be lucky and healthy enough....to make that money. If they can however, then they should pay a reasonable amount to the government..unless they want to become a citizen of mexico or canda and take their money there and pay canadian and mexican taxes.

Your professor was correct, capitalism is evil if you understand how it works, and I do, therefore i do not support it and I feel just as american as you do, because I was born there. I do not have a green card like others and neither did I cross the border illegaly.

we pay taxes to provide for people down on their luck, out of a job, etc. so we haven't just dropped people into the nothing. i've never been rich, either. what i'm saying is the free enterprise system would work were it not being sabotaged constantly, such as encouraging people to come here from mexico and communist nations, then making laws so they get first dibs at jobs, encourage them to take out no questions asked mortgages, and not just a couple, but thousands, then for some strange reason, they just disappear across the border with the profits they make, and pay no taxes on it. so then we all end up paying more taxes to make up for it, and businesses can't withstand it, and everything just spirals downward.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
It is a pretty sad day in america when socialists get called commies and blamed for free market ideals of reagan and bush gone bad. Reagan was the one who came up with deregulation of the markets and leveraged buyouts, spent trillions on star wars BS and then came bush to repeal the glass steagel act to cause this armageddon of financial catastrophes.

Then obama takes over and is expected to clean house in just 4 years. Yeah right! That is like asking an olympic swimmer to cross the atlantic ocean by himself, in other words impossible. Yes the democrats are corrupt. We all know that but they don't really create any problems, they simpley stay out of the white house and play golf all day. Trust me that is an accomplishment in that doing nothing is better than doing the wrong things.

I feel sorry for all the people who have been brainwashed to death...but at the same time it is not my fault either. I am simply telling it like it is so people wake the hell up!

they weren't capitalists. they were/are socialists. this is a socialist country, which is being driven toward communism purposefully.

That video was funny.

Looked like an over-dramatic photo-op.

As comedy goes, it was pretty good.

Funny in that it is supposed to be realistic.

Guess people don't mind using their children as pieces in their rhetoric game either.

Sad.

Someone should call social services on those bums. Using their kids to make a political statement is the lowest of the low.

Originally posted by undo

we pay taxes to provide for people down on their luck, out of a job, etc. so we haven't just dropped people into the nothing. i've never been rich, either. what i'm saying is the free enterprise system would work were it not being sabotaged constantly, such as encouraging people to come here from mexico and communist nations, then making laws so they get first dibs at jobs, encourage them to take out no questions asked mortgages, and not just a couple, but thousands, then for some strange reason, they just disappear across the border with the profits they make, and pay no taxes on it. so then we all end up paying more taxes to make up for it, and businesses can't withstand it, and everything just spirals downward.

Even if we did not have an illegal immigration issue jobs would continue to go overseas because that is exactly what the international capitalists allow and want. Low tariffs encourages globalisation. Asia and eastern europe are no longer communists which means they have opened their resources to the highest bidder, so the people who invested in america now invest there.

Heck I would do the same thing. If the system allows for it and eveyone is too stupid to care, then they deserve to get exploited.

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
It is a pretty sad day in america when socialists get called commies and blamed for free market ideals of reagan and bush gone bad. Reagan was the one who came up with deregulation of the markets and leveraged buyouts, spent trillions on star wars BS and then came bush to repeal the glass steagel act to cause this armageddon of financial catastrophes.

Then obama takes over and is expected to clean house in just 4 years. Yeah right! That is like asking an olympic swimmer to cross the atlantic ocean by himself, in other words impossible. Yes the democrats are corrupt. We all know that but they don't really create any problems, they simpley stay out of the white house and play golf all day. Trust me that is an accomplishment in that doing nothing is better than doing the wrong things.

I feel sorry for all the people who have been brainwashed to death...but at the same time it is not my fault either. I am simply telling it like it is so people wake the hell up!

they weren't capitalists. they were/are socialists. this is a socialist country, which is being driven toward communism purposefully.

Except everything is still privately owned in america. Your house is private, the FED is private, the government is a corporation registered in delaware, ford is a corporation, chrysler is a corporation, monsanto is a corporation, ibm is a corporation, delta airlines is a corporation.......etc

If we had socialism the FED would have been disolved, the government would answer to the people, airlines and auto companies would be public and run by government, but your belongings would be private. Many small and medium business would also be private.

The only thing that I can find that could remotely confuse people is the corporate welfare fraud! In europe however they only bailed out public enterprise. Anything that was private was left to fail, just like it should.

It seems you don't know the basics yet and worst of all you don't even care to learn. Just spouting nonsensical propaganda in the hope that OWS fails and everyone rellects the republicans. Don't worry you are not alone.

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they AREN'T international capitalists. they've been spreading socialism all over the world at the point of a gun and blaming it on capitalism

the wall didn't come down because capitalism had beat communism.

ever see this video?

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no, i don't own my home. if i stop paying taxes on it,
the IRS takes it away in conjunction with federal law. that means even if i paid off the original mortgage, it would still not be mine. it's an illusion that i own this property.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

they AREN'T international capitalists. they've been spreading socialism all over the world at the point of a gun and blaming it on capitalism

the wall didn't come down because capitalism had beat communism.

ever see this video?

The ex-USSR was communist and the "socialist republics" was nothing more than deceptive euphamism. Communism was always a dirty word. How could the nazi(national socialist workers party) equate to the USSR? Simple it never did! Hitler hated communists, jews and gypsies. You should read Mein Kampf!

The rest of your post is preposterous beyond belief. I cannot really debate such open stupidity when you label everything upside down like that. The USSR(and trust me I hate communism almost as much as capitalism) wall was built to keep capitalists OUT of russia, not to keep their citizens in. Then when they saw their public relations image dwindle they had to keep them in to prevent embarrasment to their regime.

Communism failed not only because it was utterly oppresive, but because it rellied on the same banking cartels that america rellies on today. In other words, it was bound to fail from the beginning regardless what the soviet leadership knew.