ALL MEMBERS READ:Increased Scrutiny for Aliens & UFO Forum

Only 99.99% of the 99% have never heard of the Tesla ship owned by the 1%.
Thus the confusion.
The 1% being anti Tesla cartel agents all the way.
Its not hard to figure out, same as the disappearing money supply by the 1%
to stop Tesla over unity electrical generators that got him banned in 1914 but
he had his fine matter reaction propelled plane flying by 1917. It wound up in Germany
and now all over the world to fool people into ignorance of free energy sources
cause the 1% won't tell and the 99.99% have no clue.

Originally posted by Frira
I would love to discuss Betty & Barney Hill, and Foo Fighters. But I am not interested in reading a five year old discussion with a hundred pages-- most of which is bickering of people no longer even contributing to ATS-- and also knowing that any comment I have, will be seen by persons with a "been there, done that, and moved on" attitude concerning the thread.

(Is anyone actually reading this?)

Yes, I can just about read beyond two paragraphs.

There is a good argument for starting threads about old cases. After about 5 pages most threads descend into stupidity or consist of contributions from members who have not read beyond the first page and start going over what the thread has already covered.

A thread summarising the interesting points and progress made in a previous thread is, in my opinion, a really useful thing. That way a discussion can start from with people knowing what has been determined in the previous threads and actually make a sensible contribution. It is also useful for people who use search and see that a thread on a relevant topic is 45 pages long and give up.

The trouble is it is against the rules. I think it would be good if you could state a disclaimer saying, "This is a summary of the useful information from say the Betty and Barney Hill threads as I'd like to see what member think when confronted with this information. I'd also like to see what new members think."

A new member might think, "great, I don't have to read 120 pages and 7 threads, someone has done it for me."

Originally posted by Frira
Lastly, the "Enter Phage/JimOberg in 5... 4... 3...." just cracks me up every time! That isn't mean!

I'd maybe say mean but fair....

Wow.

That's a lot of responses. Good ones at that. Part of of the idea behind the this thread was to not only define what the staff are expecting, have always expected of the membership and how we intend to bring that feeling back, but also to spark a discussion among the membership.

It's been a while since I've been able to get opinions and reactions from a wide variety of members, new and old for this forum. Even just this conversation has helped in understanding our current demographic in the forum.

From what I've read there seem to be a few key problems that I will address:

1. Rehashing and duplicate threads.

This is a constant on ATS. Considering how bit this place is, it's important that we aren't creating clutter by having 15 of the same topics on the boards. Now before you call me on it, yes this does happen.

However, if you have new evidence, or a completely new take on a old UFO thread, then it's ok to repost the information with your new theory. It doesn't necessarily have to go into the same thread unless it follows the same line of thought, or a similar conversation has occured in thread.

Another point to mention is this community certainly expects you to READ the thread before you participate. It's not about just finding something you'd like to reply to and doing so, as most likely another member has either already answered that question, or posted a similar response.

2. Established, well known members being treated like disinfo agents and continually being the topic of conversation.

I'm gonna pick on Phage here for a minute, and break the general, we do not discuss other members rule. This is purely for anecdotal evidence of my point. Phage OFTEN is a voice of reason within the UFO and technology forums.

Clearly this has been a member that knowns what he is talking about and has provided great sources and information to lead members down the same path. He, nor anybody else should EVER be the topic of conversation within a thread.

The information presented should be, period. As mentioned in the OP, your ideas and thoughts will be challanged by established ideas, and standard models. Most likely by members who have done plenty of research on the topic and are highly qualified and perhaps know more about the topic than you do.

Cricitism of your idea or theory or information is NOT a T&C violation. Getting all upset and crying wolf whenever criticism appears however is. In order to deny ignornance, it is a member's responsibility to anylyze and make decisions with the information they are provided. I do not expect any member to give you the time of day, if you cannot be bothered to read their sources and attempt to comprehend them.

There have been complaints regarding old banned members who contributed greatly to ATS. These members were banned for T&C violations and nothing but. However perhaps some of the reasons they became less interested to begin with is that they were tired of being the topic of conversation and always having to defend themselves from people who refused to read their information and debate properly as opposed to just calling them disinfo agents or what have you.

This type of behaviour will also no longer be tolerated. Any mention or discussion of a member, as opposed to the information they provide, will result in post removals up to and including posting bans.

However this does not mean that any of those members are above the rules. I also expect well known and established members to know they will be held accountable for their posts and that snarky and matter of fact responses will also not be tolerated.

Regardless of how frustrated you are posting the same thing over and over again.

3. Overall Quality of Posted Threads:

This is also going to be addressed. With this new initiative to re-invigorate the forum, I ask that members alert OP's that are not up to ATS Standards. Threads that do not include one of the following:

A well thought out, concise and content heavy thread.
A properly laid out conversational story or video. ( Including brief description and commentary)
Personal opinionbacked by research. ( document or video)

Will now be subject to close and/or removal.

I hope this will help the you guys want to post in this forum again and want to do it properly.

~Keeper

Good thread. The Ufology related forums are the places that those waking up to sightings and experiencers go to search for answers, and find others who are experiencing the same thing. Its not like there are other bodies of information. The rest are hijacked enormously, muffon, exopolitics, etc, slanted information.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by CosmicWaterGate
_with_that_said_ _ _ let's_ get_real_ about_ _ _ 'The_Disclosure_Project_ _ _

Disclosure already happened. The White House said the other day that they didn't have any evidence that UFOs were alien craft, or evidence of any aliens at all, and so they obviously didn't have any contact with them.

There's the official White House statement, aka disclosure. That should settle the matter once and for all.

You really thought the white house were just going to bend-over and give us what we wanted??

HELL NO

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
3. Overall Quality of Posted Threads:

This is also going to be addressed. With this new initiative to re-invigorate the forum, I ask that members alert OP's that are not up to ATS Standards. Threads that do not include one of the following:

A well thought out, concise and content heavy thread.
A properly laid out conversational story or video. ( Including brief description and commentary)
Personal opinionbacked by research. ( document or video)

Will now be subject to close and/or removal.

Not a bad idea. It will help get rid of the, "Question: Humans are evil, why don't aliens just destroy us?" threads hopefully. It's a shame we can't expect replies to OPs to be backed up by something more than blind assertion but you can't have everything.

A little scrutiny should also be applied to the deluge of "Gray Area", "Hoax", and "Metaphysics" threads that have been displacing quality U.F.O. and E.T. threads in this forum. Difficult to justify the motto "Deny Ignorance" as things stand. If this is indeed the flagship forum of the site, catering to those who post threads of pure and wild speculation or fantasy presented as fact does not exactly lend credibility.

reply to post by draknoir2


I agree, which is why the Skunk Works forum exists for UFO related topics and general conspiracy theories that have no evidence or research to back it up.

Metaphysics should not be used for UFO type threads. The Gray Area is a place for personal stories and much like SkunkWorks require no actual evidence or proof. Believe what you'd like to believe in discussing the event with the member.

Again all we ask is for civility.

~Keeper

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
Please be sure to add into your litte write up there to not post a video and say enjoy anymore also!!!

Aliens/UFO's are by far the most intriguing topic in my mind and I am glad someone is finally going to step up and let people discuss this topic in a civilized fashion...

Two thumbs up for the mods of ATS!!

Yes, I totally agree. I see many young members begin a thread on an experience they had, and almost immediately get told what they saw was demon, or a fallen angel, and better get right with god, and so on. Or just ridiculed off the thread. And it is sad. The times humanity is now well within is ripe with UFO sightings and experiences with ET. Many think they are here to help humanity to clean up this polluted planet, or take us all off for the duration of the cycle.

Originally posted by SativaDub

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by CosmicWaterGate
_with_that_said_ _ _ let's_ get_real_ about_ _ _ 'The_Disclosure_Project_ _ _

Disclosure already happened. The White House said the other day that they didn't have any evidence that UFOs were alien craft, or evidence of any aliens at all, and so they obviously didn't have any contact with them.

There's the official White House statement, aka disclosure. That should settle the matter once and for all.

You really thought the white house were just going to bend-over and give us what we wanted??

HELL NO

... Occupy The Gray Aliens... (Proverbs 25:2 )...

I do not think it matters how many times we want to make it a point to express to people who have had dreams, or any type of ET, experience, their will ALWAYS BE someone,a complete stranger that says oh you were just dreaming, or their is some logical explination for what you experienced or saw.. No matter what your gonna get that coming from a internet website wthat gets millions of hits, hell you'll get some whitty no disrespect Phage, guy like phage, that will word smith, something to where after you read it, lose all doubt, of what had just happened, and move on with your life, and you have to ask yourself, is it really that important to try to understand every weird thing that happens in your life? is it really that important? See what I have learned is if you do not understand it, chances are 99.9 percent of everyone else you ask is not going to either, and oh my god, posting it on ATS, is just asking for it.. I LEARNED this about 5 years ago, when I had strange ET occurances in my life.. I learned my wife was the best thing for me, I can tell her anything... So I discourage members from posting their experiences or sightings or what have you on ats, unless you have tough skin, and can take tact and witty comments...

Now I just have fun on ats..

I get my news and read some cool stuff from time to time...

reply to post by Bicent76


You know, a lot of it depends on you perspective and rationale. I have also personally had a UFO sighting that, as far as I know, the object did not behave like any manmade craft I am aware of. I, using what I believe to be rational minded, clear thinking figure that it's more believable to assume that I saw a man made secret craft that I am not aware of as opposed to some super advanced alien that forgot to turn the lights off in our atmosphere. To me, it seems questionable to think that these super advanced beings would forget to turn off their very earthlike navigation lights in our presence. I think that there's probably aliens out there somewhere, but very unlikely that they have visited us and are probably completely unaware of us. And if I ever ask why these aliens would forget to turn off the lights on their faster than light ships I get the usual "debunker, disinfo agent, closed minded, shill, etc" thrown in my face. My experience is that the "believers" are far ruder and more into the name calling or "Chinese lanterns/swamp gas/Venus" mocking type of posts than us "debunker/disinfo" people are.

I truly do hope, however, that this time the offending posts on both sides will be stopped.

However, history makes me feel that it will mainly be directed at us "debunkers" who truly try to deny ignorance.
As such, true debate will be driven out of the UFO forums and no evidence of claims will be needed.

I often asked why dont you add an imagination board if not already added? So people can talk about 'aliens are demons' or 'Earth is a spaceship' or 'Space isa hologram' freely? Threads that question things such as how the Moon rotates, what the Earth is, what spaces is not, things that are like arguing that you are eating an apple when in fact some invisible force may be deceiving you and making you think you eat an apple - such threads really don't belong here.

Originally posted by Imtor
Threads that question things such as how the Moon rotates, what the Earth is, what spaces is not,

Already have its called the Grey Area And we have Skunkworks, though for some reason at ATS Skunkworks is considered the trash bin and no one goes there yet at lockheed Martin its the top of the line secret stuff.

As to the UFO Alien forum... since we have NO hard evidence of either flying saucers or real aliens, the whole thread IMO is already "the Grey Area" anyway as ALL of the posts in it are highly speculative or at best circumstantial evidence

So.. whats the issue?

Hello, great thread- S & F. Thanks for reiterating T & C policy for all. Plenty of us need it. It's wonderful to get these things addressed within these particular forums.

With that said, I'd like to mention something that goes on in a lot of threads, but most notably in a currently popular one in the Skunk Works forum that has now run into 30 pages. The OP is doing his best to get his point across, & bravely (as well as politely) addressing all comers, debunkers & believers alike. What I can't help but notice is the trolling being indulged in by the same 3 members over more than a dozen pages in this thread, where they are baiting the OP continually over the same questions over & over, laughing at his answers, starring each other generously, & repeating their actions endlessly while joking together. They're not just being immature & off-topic, they're contributing nothing relevant. It's like a game to them, entertaining themselves & each other to collect stars as well as attention. It's been going on for days!

A new member had the courage to make his very first post in this thread & couldn't help but use it to comment upon how hatefully these three members & others had been behaving within it. This thread concerns supposed government involvement in people disappearing around the globe, & I could fully understand the new member's frustration, considering the volatile subject. I welcomed the new member, giving a little advice on how to handle his concerns, told him of this thread, & suggested he tell all of you here what he was experiencing. I sincerely hope he does so!

Thanks for providing the ATS site to us all & for having me as a member.

Originally posted by tallcool1
reply to post by Bicent76

 

You know, a lot of it depends on you perspective and rationale. I have also personally had a UFO sighting that, as far as I know, the object did not behave like any manmade craft I am aware of. I, using what I believe to be rational minded, clear thinking figure that it's more believable to assume that I saw a man made secret craft that I am not aware of as opposed to some super advanced alien that forgot to turn the lights off in our atmosphere. To me, it seems questionable to think that these super advanced beings would forget to turn off their very earthlike navigation lights in our presence. I think that there's probably aliens out there somewhere, but very unlikely that they have visited us and are probably completely unaware of us. And if I ever ask why these aliens would forget to turn off the lights on their faster than light ships I get the usual "debunker, disinfo agent, closed minded, shill, etc" thrown in my face. My experience is that the "believers" are far ruder and more into the name calling or "Chinese lanterns/swamp gas/Venus" mocking type of posts than us "debunker/disinfo" people are.

I truly do hope, however, that this time the offending posts on both sides will be stopped.

However, history makes me feel that it will mainly be directed at us "debunkers" who truly try to deny ignorance.
As such, true debate will be driven out of the UFO forums and no evidence of claims will be needed.

Sure, its going to be dabated.. Anytime we see something we do not understand, we goto our default thought processing on trying to figure it out.. It what we are taught to do.. when you see something thou...

Meh

I will do this one time, and that is it...

Sometimes in life people see things that do not make sense.. What I mean by that is we see things that alter, or even have a strangeness to it.

try to imagine seeing something that you have never seen before in your life, but when you looked at it, or heard it or sensed it, it appeared to not belong in your reality or Universe. it just looked so weird it scared you, so much your adrenaline kicked it, and you fight or flight sense was so intense into the flight that you ran for your life..

People do see strange things, and experience them..

I be damned if I am going to go onto ATS, and get intimate with the things I have experienced, seen, heard or for that matter even dealt with..

Hell no, to me this is no joking matter.. You can line up 100 mods, screaming at the top of their lungs to prevent scrutiniy, and ridicule, yet unfortunatly the idiots before the liars, the cheaters, and the morons, abused social media. no one will take anyone serious here.. To be honest puns, and jokes are the new default, when someone crazy enough shares something on the board, thinking they might actually get support and help.. I read allot of information here and other places, where I wish I could chime in and try to help on a serious level, but hell no, not anymore.. Its also very hard to filter and cipher what is true and what is fabrications.

I will say this in conclusion..

Our Stereo typicial idealism on what we think ET's the numerous species like in star trek, or star wars, I think is very wrong...

To be honest i do not think what it is out there, is something we can even understand without creating another way to comunicate words and feelings without words shapes and colors,our music. Its so complex, I do not think our minds are mentally in shape enough, or ever will be to process it properly, without the breaking down..

That is why not to many people see strange things.. Also why most people when they heard such things, goto their logical default..

Outside of the box.. People..

That was my one time...

Back to keeping my secrets...

reply to post by cluckerspud

Thanks, Cluckerspud, for the heads up on the abominable behaviour of most of the posters on that thread. I U2U'd the OP & gave him a head's up about this forum as well!

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Thank you, thank you. I'm fairly new and finally reached my 21 required posts before starting a new thread/topic. However, I didn't because I witnessed so many newbies getting their heads ripped off that I was too afraid to subject myself to that. Maybe now, I'll be brave enought to try it but I may still have to duck and cover before reading any replies!

Originally posted by Bicent76
Sometimes in life people see things that do not make sense.. What I mean by that is we see things that alter, or even have a strangeness to it.

try to imagine seeing something that you have never seen before in your life, but when you looked at it, or heard it or sensed it, it appeared to not belong in your reality or Universe. it just looked so weird it scared you, so much your adrenaline kicked it, and you fight or flight sense was so intense into the flight that you ran for your life..

People do see strange things, and experience them..

I be damned if I am going to go onto ATS, and get intimate with the things I have experienced, seen, heard or for that matter even dealt with..

Outside of the box.. People..

That was my one time...

Back to keeping my secrets...

edit on 21-11-2011 by Bicent76 because: (no reason given)

Well, I have never really spoken about what I saw either except with my family. What you described is exactly what I felt. I was working swing shift at the time (late 1994 or early 1995) and there was a long driveway through dense woods from the house which led to the road. On the other side of the road is a huge field with trees at the far end (several hundred yards away). Now, I had arrived home from work somewhere between midnight and 1:00 AM (it's been a while and I don't remember the exact time) and we had a gate at the end of the driveway and I had got out of my car to open the gate. While I was going back to my car I saw the object, glowing green - the color of one of those glow sticks - flying, hovering, and making excessive g-force turns and I am estimating it was a few miles past the far end of the field. I was mesmerized just watching it, but soon was overcome with a feeling like you described - fear had made my adrenaline kick in and I felt the need to hurry up and get to the house. Not that I felt that it saw me or was coming for me or anything like that, just this hyper adrenalized unfounded fear. Now, not to brag or say that I'm such a tough guy or anything - but I am 6'6" and about 275 pounds and I am certainly not fat. Maybe a little softer now as I get older, but dark alleys and walking on the street at night have never made me the slightest bit nervous. My wife has told me more than once how nice it is to go out and always feel safe with me. With that said, I don't believe I have really ever felt fear. But that night I really felt the need to get inside like I have never felt before or since and I have never seen anything like that before or since.

Having said all that, I still don't believe I saw something extraterrestrial. Not because it would shake my world view or faith or anything like that - I just think it is more likely that I might have caught a glimpse of a secret military craft or misidentified something or perhaps it was something mundane that looked strange from my perspective - so when I personally doubt someone else's "proof" of alien visitation it is as someone who has had an unidentified sighting. And even though I don't believe it was "alien", I'm sure others would think I was just seeing things or misidentifying something or whatever - so I never really described it until now.

So yes - I have had a "sighting" and felt exactly as you describe and now I have put it onto a public forum. And I could really care less if I am mocked or called a liar or whatever. My skin is quite thick. I wouldn't dish it out if I couldn't take it - but still I don't believe I saw aliens and I feel that my "debunking" shouldn't be silenced. And neither should you feel that you are being "silenced" if people like me doubt your sighting was alien and offer a more mundane, earth bound explanation. I can be respectful of the opinions of believers if I get the same respect back for my dis-belief. I just hope the increased scrutiny really does go both ways.
This time.