ATS: We Have Failed!

Ok,some of those people are probably looking for handouts,but,in general the majority are not.
My household income is $180,000 a year.
I was unemployed for 3 months because of this financial mess,the first time ever in my 30 something years in the workforce.
Back at work now.
We were robbed by greed and politics.
It is time to get the money out of politics,and back into the hands of the people.

reply to post by NoHierarchy


Ok Braveheart calm yourself down.

Stop telling other members to shut up and calling them fools simply because they don't want to follow along with the crowd like good little sheep and view the world as you do.

reply to post by kdog1982


All of which are legitimate and I agree the situation needs to be addressed. I for one would liketo hear some real world solutions to those you've outlined.

Carlin hit the nail on the head

The American Dream - You have to be asleep to believe it..


OWS naysayers wake up!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by kdog1982

 

All of which are legitimate and I agree the situation needs to be addressed. I for one would liketo hear some real world solutions to those you've outlined.

The foremost important solution,which is a start is this....

The Banking Act of 1933, Pub.L. 73-66, 48 Stat. 162, enacted June 16, 1933, was a law that established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in the United States and introduced banking reforms, some of which were designed to control speculation.[1] It is most commonly known as the Glass–Steagall Act, after its legislative sponsors, Senator Carter Glass (D–Va.) and Congressman Henry B. Steagall (D–Ala.-3). Some provisions of the Act, such as Regulation Q, which allowed the Federal Reserve to regulate interest rates in savings accounts, were repealed by the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980. Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, named after its co-sponsors Phil Gramm (R, Texas), Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa), and Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia).[2][3] The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. This repeal may have contributed to the severity of the financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing banks to become so large, complex, and intertwined that both they and their regulators failed to see the systemic risk that a failure in one part of one bank could lead to cascading failures across the global financial system.[4][5][6][7][8][9]

en.wikipedia.org...

I have got to add this....

While the Glass Steagall Law reenactment is absolutely urgent, we urge all patriots to recognize that as long as Barack Obama is in the White House, Glass Steagall will not happen. Glass Steagall is anathema to everything Obama represents as a puppet of Wall Street and London. His immediate removal, and the subsequent enactment of emergency measures, Glass Steagall being primary, is the only option for rescuing this nation and returning it to the long tradition of the United States leading the world through its emphasis on the development of the creative powers of each individual human being. Leadership in this context is not merely supporting the right policy, but picking the right fight and following it through. LaRouchePAC organizing across the country has revealed the cowardice of those who are comfortable with advocating the right policy solution (ala. Glass Steagall Law), but who are unwilling to pick a fight with that giant road block to actually accomplishing that end. Lyndon LaRouche's recent policy paper statement Principle or Party? is a very good conceptual tool for helping understand why this is the only option. And the latest statement LaRouche: To Stop World War III, Obama Must be Removed from Office Now can be a powerful organizing tool, distributed via email or leaflet.

www.larouchepac.com...

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
Oh shut up... just because you don't study the movement and its actions doesn't mean people are just standing around. A lot is getting done. EDUCATE YOURSELF OR REMAIN SILENT.

Yes yes yes...


Squatting in the parks demanding Manna from Obama in Washington DC to provide the Gimmie Gimmie crowd a bigger Teet for free.

Do you have proof of this? How many people exactly? Because i did not see any of that. OWS is not about hand outs it is about BAIL OUTS What is your source.. Glenn Beck? Sounds like bile he would spew.

Just saying

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
OWS is not about hand outs it is about BAIL OUTS

Just saying

I'd be careful if I were you some may take you for a Tea Party Supporter...

Just saying

If OWS is really about freedom, then the movement is doing a very poor job of communicating a message.

What I see is a group of people focused on "asking" for things, nearly entirely paid for by someone else's money.

That is not freedom, it's the precursor to slavery. To be sure, the current Ivy League, Keynesian, fractional banking, debt based economic model is deeply flawed and ultimately it may not be sustainable. But it does enable those who work hard and those who harness their own God given talents to find, or create, a slice of pie for themselves. This fact is unique among the other failed economic models, and so in a way, no better system has been yet created. Some how I don't believe the idea of an improved "what is next" is going to come from OWS.

A group is defined by its members. I am employed, don't support union ideology, want lower taxes and am dead set against all forms of involuntary wealth distribution. These important and inherent values that I hold kind of make me feel a bit unwanted at the OWS parties.

Occupying and chanting will not bring the change everyone wants to see. We expect the same people that corrupt to change. Get real. We have to bring the change and not expect it to just happen. Just move your money to local banks and credit unions, Educate anyone who will listen about the real corruption of this country which is the federal reserve, Vote and change things on a Local Level. If you can bring change in a town, city then state others will copy the process. We did not fail as this is an ongoing challenge and experience. Never give up hope only try harder.

No. We haven't failed.

What is failing is an occupation.

NOBODY likes an "occupation", and by that word I mean "taking possession of, controlling something, dwelling in". Would you like someone who you don't know occupying your house? No. Would you be fine with the military occupying your home during times of peace, even if they didn't ask you? The founding fathers of the U.S. weren't, so they made the 3rd Amendment of the Constitution precisely for that reason. Are Iraq and Afghanistan citizens cool with our military occupying their country? Some of them might be, but from the soldiers I've spoken to, the word is they kinda don't want us there.

Occupying Zuccotti Park does little more than put a lot of people in a small place. A small place that the public should be able to use. All of the public. Everyone. Occupying it means other members of the public don't get to use a public park. People who should be unhappy about the 1% holding sway over the lives of the 99%, are instead made unhappy with a group of people "taking up space". Space for everyone. Not just for these protesters.

The occupation is failing. It was all a precursor anyway.

Evicting the occupiers from Zuccotti park was exactly what this protest needed. In the words of Star Wars character Obi Wan Kenobi:If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. The Occupy movement has seemingly been struck down. In reality, the NYPD has just opened up the floodgates. The movement is no longer sequestered. There is no central hub. You will now see numerous protests in different places across the city. The rogue element that is not peaceful will see this as an act of war. There will be retaliation. There will be vandalism on a wider scale. The NYPD has shot itself in the foot.

ATS has not failed. We're all a part of this, and continue to be.

Oh my lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give up.
I give you the solution,if not partial,to it all,yet it goes ignored with petty fighting.
Either you all are consumed with this pettiness,or you just don't understand.
Just look at my previous posts.



Sorry,I just had a little break down.

Kevin zeese organizer of Washingtondc.org has just stated what OWS is all about and what they want implemented step by step on RT news he talks about the deficit etc. After listening to him you will know OWS is not over and if anyone thinks there is no message with a thought through plan on how to change just go listen to this man. On a side not one thing he stated was that the US Military Budget is more than the rest of the worlds put together this has been confirmed by some politicians. OWS is not over its only just begun

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Sorry to disagree, but I don't feel that way (it can only get better from here on out).

reply to post by kdog1982


I hope that wasnt directed at me?

I was actually reading through your links and formulating a decent reply that your post deserved. I'm still considering how to properly respond

take your crap and shove it.

i didnt fail a damn thing.

idiots failed at doing nothing (yeah, they failed at doing nothing. brilliant sounding isnt it?) because they couldnt stop beating their drums and creepily repeating unrealistic garbage about all the things they feel are bad in the world long enough to declare an official leader, or come up with any real solutions.

and no, a list of demands and grievances is not a list of solutions to their perceived problems.

call it not representative, or call it isolated all you want, but just go watch all the videos of people being interviewed there. watch 10 interviews and you will get 10 different answers about how bad greedy bankers are, man. and like. we should do away with money, because like. we should all just share and get along man. yeah.

i failed at nothing. my life is good. i have a good job that i work hard for, and went to school and applied myself for. i support myself without assistance from any body, especially not the government, i pay my mortgage, and i save money where i can. the banks didnt "steal from me" because i knew what i was signing up for, and made a realistic purchase when i bought my home.

a bunch of idiots in a park crying about how education, healthcare, and just about anything else you can dream of should be FREE to them isnt going to change anything except normal peoples perception of those useful idiots. and heres a hint, its not for the better.

so damn right YOU failed if you supported that crap. i have failed nothing. dont tell me i did because i chose to not go down and get raped or take part in some creepy chanting. not everybody is so unhappy that a bunch of people made bad decisions and dont want to take responsibility for them now.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by kdog1982

 

I hope that wasnt directed at me?

I was actually reading through your links and formulating a decent reply that your post deserved. I'm still considering how to properly respond

No,Slayer,it wasn't. It was in general.
Sorry,just had a mental melt down,I'm sure you can relate.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


You should join the Tea party if you want something closer to a grass roots movement that is effecting change, not the Union/Soros/bankster funded and operated OWS. It is not possible to ignore the statements of the founders of OWS. It would be foolish to do so. Should we have ignored the anti-semitic ranting of the Nazi party when they first sought power?

The intellectuals behind the movement, their belief systems, the money that drives it, the prior planning and what they stand for are all critical aspects of evaluating OWS. No amount of good intentions on the part of a small segment of well meaning OWS protestors will effect what Soros and company have planned for the movement. That's always been the case with the secretive puppet masters.

If you want to understand the Nazis, you have to understand the secretive occult Thule society that was behind it. If you want to understand the Russian revolution you need to understand the teachings of Lenin and the occultist devil worshipping Karl Marx. If you want to understand OWS you need to understand George Soros, Kalle Lasn, and the cabal of Luciferian international banksters behind them. A leopard does not change it's spots.

Oh,BTW,here is the OWS list of demands.
sites.google.com...

*We DECLINE to take the fall for corporate greed. As the imminent failure of a system is clearly upon us WE THE PEOPLE will not continue to suffer as corporations and institutions enjoy epic gains of profit, federal forgiveness and support that this country in turn denies to the very citizens who make it great. This includes industries of FINANCE, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION/HIGHER EDUCATION, GOVERNMENT, HOUSING, SOCIAL WORK and LOBBYISTS.

*We DEMAND that the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT take an ACTIVE role in disassociating itself from the interests of private Wall Street and honor its position as an agent of the PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND BOLD ACTION FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO STOP THE CIPHONING OF MONEY INTO THE TOP 5%. We understand this will impact their personal portfolios and invite them to realign their values with those of the American people. (Community, strength, innovation, grit, vision…)

*We OCCUPY WALL STREET and challenge the largest powers of this nation: our military and police forces, the judicial system, corporate/federal employees on every level and academic institutions to IMMEDIATELY STOP practices across-the-board that employ prejudice against people’s racial/ethnic, social and sexual identity. Unlearning the values that oppress one another is the ONLY way to HEAL this ailing nation. How sick are the hearts of the people who can look down with champagne and laugh as we ask to be given a chance to thrive?

*We OCCUPY WALL STREET as people who are challenging our state of suffering. We DEMAND that all citizens aligning themselves with our mission realize this is greater than returning this country to a nostalgic place of ‘betterness’. THIS IS ABOUT REPAIRING, RENEWING AND REVIVING THIS NATION. It is hard work and it is overdue.

Wall Street: WE KEEP YOU ALIVE! Who built you brick by brick? Who writes the news that protects your assets? Who cleans your toilets? Who follows your orders? Who fills your (mounting) prescriptions? Who babysits for you? Who cooks for you? Who greets you in the morning? Who checks you in? Who cuts your hair? Who tailors your suits? Who serves your champagne? Who designs your web sites? Who writes the books you read on vacation? Who delivers them to your house? Who sells you your homes? Who shines your shoes? Who counts your money? Who paints your house? Who pours your coffee in the morning? WE THE PEOPLE.

So,it makes me wonder,who is ignorant and who is denying it.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
You should join the Tea party if you want something closer to a grass roots movement that is effecting change, not the Union/Soros/bankster funded and operated OWS. It is not possible to ignore the statements of the founders of OWS. It would be foolish to do so. Should we have ignored the anti-semitic ranting of the Nazi party when they first sought power?

The intellectuals behind the movement, their belief systems, the money that drives it, the prior planning and what they stand for are all critical aspects of evaluating OWS. No amount of good intentions on the part of a small segment of well meaning OWS protestors will effect what Soros and company have planned for the movement. That's always been the case with the secretive puppet masters.

If you want to understand the Nazis, you have to understand the secretive occult Thule society that was behind it. If you want to understand the Russian revolution you need to understand the teachings of Lenin and the occultist devil worshipping Karl Marx. If you want to understand OWS you need to understand George Soros, Kalle Lasn, and the cabal of Luciferian international banksters behind them. A leopard does not change it's spots.

Prime example of why I'm glad the ATS keyboard kommandos will never get behind the Occupy Movement or much of anything else unless Ron Paul is leading the march on a golden chariot. Get out of the house, I think your basement might have a gas leak and it's killing your braincells.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by LightAssassin

 

Maybe it should have been an "end the Fed" movement along with banks and government corruption, but did you go to your local Occupy and tell them that? Did you take the chance to have your input?

edit on 17-11-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)

I might be wrong, but I thought that early in the Occupy beginning, I saw several videos of some folks who would try to demonstrate to end the fed and they got booed and picked on by the Occupy crowd.