Military training and it's effect on humans

Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

That list is chilling in that it shows how many young impressionable men in particuler are been trained as the blue bra bashing brigade have been.
To be reptile inhuman bullies who feel they are superior to ordinary people, and obviously have been trained to use the sticks as they did.
That is what this thread is about, how military training affects humans....to become ANIMAL.

And there is no hiding behind the glamour of having the best of that training, as Americans and Brits do have, it makes them even more brainwashed.

Once you dress people up in uniforms , it is the uniform that has the power, but the dopes wearing the silly uniforms think it is them.
Little dicks indeed?

Well to be perfectly honest humans are animals. It is against the interests of the military to make people feral instinctive killers (not that it really could be done anyway.) You are trained to make quick, but calm and logical decisions. Personal restraint is a core part of the training process.

Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

That list is chilling in that it shows how many young impressionable men in particuler are been trained as the blue bra bashing brigade have been.
To be reptile inhuman bullies who feel they are superior to ordinary people, and obviously have been trained to use the sticks as they did.
That is what this thread is about, how military training affects humans....to become ANIMAL.

And there is no hiding behind the glamour of having the best of that training, as Americans and Brits do have, it makes them even more brainwashed.

Once you dress people up in uniforms , it is the uniform that has the power, but the dopes wearing the silly uniforms think it is them.
Little dicks indeed?

I think the true unthinking reptile here is you since all you do is repeat the same baseless polemics. Uniforms don't give you power, they are simply practical. If you are in combat you need to be able to readily identify friend from foe which a uniform easily provides. Camouflage utilities provide concealment, protect against sunburn while still remaining breathable, protect the skin against abrasion, are flame resistant, break up your thermal image, and are treated with insect repellent to help prevent lovely things such as malaria. They can even be turned into floatation devices when soaking wet.

Dress uniforms are an offshoot of the regular combat uniform, and are intended for a more formal/professional appearance outside the field. For the Marines the Service uniforms are the equivalent of business casual. Dress Blue uniforms are the equivalent to formal wear such as tuxedos.

reply to post by Equidae


Must be really crap training been employed then???
Calm.
Logical.
Dumb.

Originally posted by zatara
reply to post by Raivan31

 

Yes, thats the idea....to follow orders. That is a crutial part of the effectiveness of an army. To be prepared to function as collateral damage. If a war plan of an general need soldiers to function as a target for the enemy...a distraction if you will.....the soldiers must be willing to follow the order that maybe sents them directly into death....for the victory of the fatherland.

In order to mold a person into this "brainless" asset there must be an effective well thoughtout brainwash program do its work. The millitairy have honed such programs into perfection over the years. Probably with punishment and reward....like animals are conditioned.

But that is the reality of a victorious army...you can not have soldiers who would like to go into debate with their officers and discus the plan of attack and have the option to refuse to carry out the order......no matter if the plan sucks or will be brilliant.

Anyways.....thats the price to be paid for having a proffesional and deadly army.,,,and to enjoy freedom...or to serve your true king.

edit on 19/12/2011 by zatara because: (no reason given)

The assumption that the military wants it's personnel brainwashed is laughable. The decentralized command structure requires being able to think. Otherwise nothing would be accomplished because either you wouldn't be able to make a decision on your own (and thus do nothing to achieve the objective), or you would be a mindless robot destroying everything in sight (also doing nothing to achieve the objective.)

Very often you do debate about the plan of attack. Obviously not when you are pinned down in a firefight, but an effective military requires the tactful give and take between higher ups and subordinates. Generals do not waste their time going over specifics. They tell their subordinates to get a particular task done, and the subordinates are the ones who usually get down to the nitty gritty details. The hallmark of a good leader (and how we were always taught) was that so long as you aren't in the middle of a firefight then you should work with your subordinates in how to best accomplish a task.

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That's the camellion in YOU speaking.
Watch YOUR tongue, it keeps flicking in/out.
gravitor

Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by Equidae

 

That's the camellion in YOU speaking.
Watch YOUR tongue, it keeps flicking in/out.
gravitor

oh, you silly boy you have no clue what you are talking about. You appear to have obtained all your 'knowledge' from a cheesy B movie. Unlike you I have no agenda to push here. I am actually a pacifist, and am against the Iraq and Afghan wars. But I don't use any of it to spin an argument. I am relaying facts that I have firsthand knowledge of.

I would also say that I'm more of a panda than a chameleon since I do love a good nap...

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Thanks for the spelling lesson.

reply to post by Equidae


In the military each unit are commonly design to conduct specific mission/objectives. The military do have different units trained and groomed to accomplish specific or correlated dual mission or objectives.

Some units have strict qualifications for a person to be able to enter a specific unit of personal interest.

Qualifications are very often misunderstood by the person who applies for specialized units like the Seals or a different elite unit.

Individuals most often only focus on the importance of having the right physical and psychological aspects of the qualifications. Most people dont understand what qualifications are really all about.

Qualifications are strictly a test of obedience to see if you are willingly to do what ever your are told to do, no matter what it is, or how difficult it is. Its a loyalty test to test a persons personal limits or the limits of a group.

We like to think that only the best individuals are selected, but in reality only the individuals who are most willing to sacrifice them selves that really get selected. With exceptional personal will. A superior can accomplish a lot with a individual.

Are these people brainwashed? No not at all, a lot of these individuals are brighter than most of us. But they have dedicated their lives to serve in a unit which have specific duties and tasks.

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by PLASIFISK

 

In a college english class back in 2003 there was a guy that sat across from me. He was about my height: 5'7". The guy next to him was taller and always poetic. Anyway, the guy I'm referring to was learning how to operate (drive?) an M1-Tank. He probably went to Iraq. I don't know what happened to him. But I know he wasn't evil. The military is composed of people.

edit on 19-12-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

jonnywhite,
I am really liking Your posts.
You said.."the military is composed of people"...very true, but
What are people composed of???
I don't know if You realise that PEOPLE( WE THE PEOPLE) have two brains?
Left and right , and they are totally seperate.
Most men operate out of their left hemisphere, and thats where the military resides...the animal.
Women utilise both hemispheres, and are therefore far far more advanced.
But the ANIMAL is big and aggressive, and has subdued the right hemisphere for milleniums.
Any man showing dual brain thinking is often ridiculed by "OLD SERGEANT TYPES" who seek to CONTROL.

We the PEOPLE are possibly a cross breed between reptiles and humans, I am pleased to hear from a more human, thats YOU.
gravitor

edit on 19-12-2011 by gravitor because: spelling

You do not have two brains, you have two hemispheres of the brain (and everyone uses both of them.) You are also very confused about brain structure. The hemispheres aren't gendered. The brain is layered: the hindbrain, the midbrain, and forebrain.

en.wikipedia.org...

And last I checked people are all composed of the same stuff, that's why those nifty things like blood transfusions, organ transplants, and DNA replication work. To suggest that gender makes the brain so radically different is an insult to both sexes.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Equidae

 

In the military each unit are commonly design to conduct specific mission/objectives. The military do have different units trained and groomed to accomplish specific or correlated dual mission or objectives.

Some units have strict qualifications for a person to be able to enter a specific unit of personal interest.

Qualifications are very often misunderstood by the person who applies for specialized units like the Seals or a different elite unit.

Individuals most often only focus on the importance of having the right physical and psychological aspects of the qualifications. Most people dont understand what qualifications are really all about.

Qualifications are strictly a test of obedience to see if you are willingly to do what ever your are told to do, no matter what it is, or how difficult it is. Its a loyalty test to test a persons personal limits or the limits of a group.

We like to think that only the best individuals are selected, but in reality only the individuals who are most willing to sacrifice them selves that really get selected. With exceptional personal will. A superior can accomplish a lot with a individual.

Are these people brainwashed? No not at all, a lot of these individuals are brighter than most of us. But they have dedicated their lives to serve in a unit which have specific duties and tasks.

No matter what job you do, you ultimately still need the same basic abilities. Some require more of one type than another, but at the end of the day a mindless drone is a liability to a unit. No matter how mundane your job is you still need to reason. No two situations are alike, and you can't possibly 'program' someone to act a certain way to certain stimuli all the time. You have got to be able to make timely and ethical decisions without someone holding your hand the entire way through.

reply to post by gravitor

Ok so you're milking your ego or something.

If I was a military man I might say something similar but in reverse and in support of the military. You see?

Why can't it be both ways. Why can't there be left and right brained and both sides in military and civilian people. Why does it have to be left brained? You don't think artists have ever served, or outcast-types? Are you trying to nitpick this to come out on the right side?

I think that if the military does anything it happens mostly AFTER they've been there for a while and especially after they've seen how different a battlefield is versus late night talk shows and a beer. You know that story? The guy who comes home and everything is so different? He gets no recognition? Life goes on in the civilian world like that other side of life doesn't exist?

I think there can be both bad and good things. I usually never think soemthing is entirely evil or entirely good. Maybe it's my fault. I have prejudices too. I always try to be in the center of things because I hate to choose sides. But sometimes by staying in the center you can slow down progress in one direction or another that's necessary (i can imagine that). But anyway, this is how I am. The military is a system but it's a system with people. And people can do all sorts of things, good and bad. A system can be corrupt but it can be fucntional too and neither has to be mutual.

I find it very hard to trust anybody. I sometiems wonder if my skepticism about wars has its source in my nature. I am stressed easily and have anxieties in social circles (generally). That doesn't mean I can't talk to people or anything. But I can get afraid. The idea of war scares me. It feels to me so brutal. I can't picture myself holding a gun and shooting people. Even if it's the right thing to do. I've had dreams where I was a soldier and i've had dreams where I was a civilian and my city was being bombed. But in all this, I am easily strained. Does this strain cause in me the need to make excuses to deny or reject or decry these wars? Am I simply a coward? Or maybe it's a bit of everything. Maybe my suspciions are due in part to fact but some of my reservations are rooted in my anxieties and lack of trust in others.

reply to post by Equidae

No matter what job you do, you ultimately still need the same basic abilities. Some require more of one type than another, but at the end of the day a mindless drone is a liability to a unit. No matter how mundane your job is you still need to reason. No two situations are alike, and you can't possibly 'program' someone to act a certain way to certain stimuli all the time. You have got to be able to make timely and ethical decisions without someone holding your hand the entire way through.

When you are serving in a unit as a individual, the information you are presented with are strictly tactical. And the moral importance of the tactical aspect of the mission is success. A unit is never acquired or asked to agree on the moral issues of taking out a specific objective or its mission. The units only mission is to do as it is told. For the government to be able to have this ability it must form/create units who possess this will.

The moral issue of a task, objective or a mission are strictly political. What moral issues a unit will receive are always in favour of the missions importance and value.

This is also why some soldiers have personal regrets after a mission. When they see the big picture after they done a mission. They are than able to put the pieces together and judge the moral aspects of their actions.

reply to post by PLASIFISK



Idiot...you're an idiot......he is an idiot.....they are idiots....any contribution?

Try to use your brain instead of insulting people when you can not comprehend or understand...... for a change.....idiot.

You know I think it's easy to get caught up in personal attacks because it's human natureto blurt out dumb things and to sometimes just not think correctly. I think these threads can easily derail and sub-conversations can too. So I wanna warn everybody that the train doesn't always stay on the track. It can happen here and anywhere. How much of the discussions in this thread have actual substance and how many are just missing the point and existing in a void?

YOu know, I cannot really comment on the military. I don't have any friends in the military nor have I ever had one on any notable level. I've certainly known of people that were in the military and in a few of the games I've plaeyd online the peolpe I played with were military and sometimes talked about it. For example, in EQ1 (2009-10) I was in Tosk and a fellow guildie told us how the sound of an A-10 flying low was exactly like he imagined a dragon would be. I always thought that was strange and so I remembered it. Additionally, in my raid guild probably half of hte members were military (active duty). But that's about the extent of my exposure to military men adn women. So I really have in the dark about it. Sorry to all of those people who might have served and feel drowned out by people who don't understand what the military is.

reply to post by zatara


Yep your an idiot!

And a retard!

And most likely a coward, with a brave computer!

Dont push my buttons.

Im not in the mood for whiney, mouthy, nobody's, whom have no honor or respect for nothing.

Fall!

Originally posted by zatara
reply to post by PLASIFISK

 

Idiot...you're an idiot......he is an idiot.....they are idiots....any contribution?

Try to use your brain instead of insulting people when you can not comprehend or understand...... for a change.....idiot.

edit on 19/12/2011 by zatara because: (no reason given)

I would say ...try to use both brains, as they are totally seperate and joined via the pineal gland, which is what flouridisation is all about, and the use of specific drugs to keep the mor animalistic operating out of their left brain( prozac)
the two hemispheres are TOTALLY seperate.
Gravitor , balanced.

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Gravitor!

That was funny.....

Hahaha

Brought a smile to my face.

Gravitor:

Im watching a movie called "The Help"

Im only about 1/4 through it.

Just wondering if you have seen it and whats your opinion about it?

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
Gravitor:

Im watching a movie called "The Help"

Im only about 1/4 through it.

Just wondering if you have seen it and whats your opinion about it?

I gave up watching movies or television many years ago( indoctrination)
so I had to look up this,
www.imdb.com...

NO FEAR.

I am sometimes very envious of the better sun tans others have.
gravitor

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Hahaha

Gravitor.

Thanks

You are alright with me!