Piercings and tattoos at work

Tattoos, pierced people, smokers, fat people, etc. They're all discriminated against. Bottom line, if you fit ANY of these groups, be careful how you point a finger at someone else in one of the other groups. Eventually, you will be the target. Eventually, they'll make you pay higher insurance for tattoos and piercings, just like they do tobacco users.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

An attractive gentlemen in a very nice suit comes to my work often. He's a BMW owner, and loves tattoos. He has one visible on the side of his neck, and plugs in his ears. Look around you, closely. It's everywhere buddy, you're just overlooking it. I will even go as far to say that I meet more people with tattoos or piercings, than I do without. Not all of them are visible, but it's nothing to see 2-3 visible in a public room, and I live in a conservative area!

Oddly enough last weekend I was searching on the radio driving and found a show I'd not heard of where they discussed financial matters and took calls from people needing advice. They were discussing the merits of leasing cars. The guest had done a study from industry data. He found out that most BMW's are leased not owned. He then found out rich people almost never lease a car. He then found most BMW drivers cant afford them so they lease. Meaning they likely were the type who would have nothing later in life because they were so image conscious and wasted money to impress people.

I drove old four wheel drive trucks when I was young because I like to fish and hunt and go off road. Now I can write a check for a BMW or two if I want. I'm not impressed by vain people who care about such things.

We got crap because of our long hair. I fully understand. I spent a few years in the Armani crowd also. Put them all in a dumpster about 25 years ago along with thousands of dollars in shoes. Started my own company and I'm doing just fine. If you are a person who needs your freedom, go that route. Cooperate until you have the knowledge to succeed and then make your own road. At the same time respect the fact you are working in somebody elses business while you are learning.

You cannot beat the system, but you can use it if you have common sense. Use it to start your own business and instead of BMW's, save up the money you need to do that. Some knowledge plus cash and you won't have to work for anyone ever again. It takes sacrifice at first though. Those who live too rich when they are young, die poor on SS. That is a fact.

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

 

So it's a case of the private sector putting it's influence on it's workers? Why do we as a society allow it? Why, in a world of self expression and tolerance, are we still allowing this to go on?

Private business can't hire based on religion, sex, race, age, disability, or creed. The CRA doesn't cover tattoos, as well it shouldn't. If a business doesn't want a walking billboard working for them, it's their right or to tell them to cover them up, to not hire them at all.

/TOA

Isn't race and creed pretty much same thing?

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Tattoos, pierced people, smokers, fat people, etc. They're all discriminated against. Bottom line, if you fit ANY of these groups, be careful how you point a finger at someone else in one of the other groups. Eventually, you will be the target. Eventually, they'll make you pay higher insurance for tattoos and piercings, just like they do tobacco users.

Good advice Very good advice.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I thought buddy was a term for affection to a friend.....as in buddy, pal, com padre, comrade, probably others.

Impressed by what? His car? No, he's a customer, a rich one that likes tattoos.

I probably have enough knowledge to start my own car dealership, which would be fun and interesting. I lack the funds though.

I have to say I'm having fun with this thread. Since this thread is on tattoos, I have to relay a story about a tattoo I saw on a young lady in a supermarket.

I noticed from a distance this young lady had a backless top on, and on her back she had this large tattoo approximately 8" wide of what looked like the face of Frankenstein. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why she would have a large tattoo of Frankenstein on her back! So I slowly made my way closer to her so I could get a better look of this tattooed face.

It turned out to be a tattoo of Michael Jackson!!! Whoever did the tattoo made the skin color a shade of a muddy green. If you can picture this, Michael Jackson always had that strand of hair hanging down on his forehead. We'll I mistook that from a distance to be the scar on Frankenstein's forehead. Too funny.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

 

So it's a case of the private sector putting it's influence on it's workers? Why do we as a society allow it? Why, in a world of self expression and tolerance, are we still allowing this to go on?

Private business can't hire based on religion, sex, race, age, disability, or creed. The CRA doesn't cover tattoos, as well it shouldn't. If a business doesn't want a walking billboard working for them, it's their right or to tell them to cover them up, to not hire them at all.

/TOA

Isn't race and creed pretty much same thing?

Don't forget that those laws only apply to large business that does interstate business. They can however fire for insubordination or anyone who is a trouble causer or a radical in the workplace to protect the other workers Rights.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


My appologies then I'll edit.

My point was is he rich just because he has a BMW?

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Yep, I agree with you. It's ridiculous how some so called employers act against piercing & tattoos. Absolutely STUPID!! With the dumbest excuses, like "The customers might get offended.". Seriously, I hate how everyone is "happy" that we're in the 21st century, yet everyone still acts like a primitive dumb person, and completely wrong when it comes to the simplest things, (and also popular) like tattoos, and piercings. Sure there's a limit, but if a tattoo is not offensive, give the person a break, shut up, and get with the program! OH, and did I mention I don't have any piercings or tattoos? (Except ear studs) So no, I'm not complaining of people treating me different because I have tattoos, or piercings, SINCE I DON'T have them. I'm complaining about just how dumb people act on simple things.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Evolutionsend

 

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I'm an employer and I have a common sense rule for tattoos. Keep them to yourself.

I have many myself, but none below the wrists or above the shoulder. You can still have tatoos and be professional.

Now if you have a back neck tatoo, I'm nto that worried, or a back piece that extends to your neck , that's fine, but my clients don't want to deal with folks whose whole hands and face are covered in ink.

Although I find it quite appealing and have no problem with it on a personal level, it's all business and at the end of the day, unfortunetly my client's need for professionalism is going to be catered to.

Piercings I don't care, as long as you don't have like 40 in your face, but all around you ears, your nose, wtv.

~Keeper

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 11/14/2011 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

Good and honest post right here, especially coming from an employer, and I agree with you, but I don't agree with employers that make a big deal about small things. I think THAT is being unprofessional.

For those who think tattoos are a fad, it's not always the case. I suffer from severe body image issues, my tattoos have taken years to get done and each of them have meaning, and the most important part of them for me is they have helped me like my own skin. I'd never get something because it was the cool thing. I'm not an attention seeker, I actually tend to cover mine up in public (when I go out in public - agorophobia!) because they are for ME, not for every one else to give me their opinion of it. My sleeve is in honour of my favourite person in the whole world, my late grandmother. I've got my daughters name, my mums birthday, a tribute to my childhood pet, and other bits and pieces that all mean something to me. I'm lucky in the sense that right now my partner supports me while i'm a Stay at home mum to our daughter, and as I mentioned earlier, studing to start my own business so that in the future I can support us and my partner can take some time off if we have baby #2. I've luckily not met someone who has viewed tattoos as a 'fad' or anyone that has gotten something just because it was cool 'at the time'. It's not about regretting when you get older and your skin sags and wrinkles. Its the art behind it. We don't all get them to look cool in the eyes of others.

I think if some of the people who make these generalisations spent time talking to someone who is passionate about tattoos as an art form, their opinion would change. But don't get me started on the baggy pants! Ew ;p

Originally posted by biggmoneyme
individualism is a disease

I guess you'd rather have collectivism? We're not ants; we're humans. Individualism is the best way to live in a free society. Individualism is a result of a free society. Collectivism is the disease, as it rises from oppression.

/TOA

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Haha! I think i'd rather frankenstein than michael jackson!

Originally posted by JIMC5499
reply to post by Evolutionsend

 

You have the right to have tatoos and piercings and I have the right to either hire or not hire you. Plain and simple.

I think your sort of missing the actual point here. You see, we all already know you don't have to hire someone, yes that is definitely your right, but I think the OP was talking about how it's not right/smart to NOT hire someone when they have casual/usual tattoos/piercings.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

 

So it's a case of the private sector putting it's influence on it's workers? Why do we as a society allow it? Why, in a world of self expression and tolerance, are we still allowing this to go on?

...especially considering the baseless assumption that tattoos or piercings somehow make you work less, or less better.

That world is run by...'image is everything - and content means nothing'...

Akushla

reply to post by mjleonid12


He missed the point because he didn't want it. He wanted stars, and he got stars. Good on him!

In other news, for those of you saying piercing is a passing fad.

The ear-lobe was probably man's first attempt at body piercing due to the ease with which it can be pierced. The oldest mummified body in the world was found frozen in an Austrian Glacier in 1991, tests showed the body to be over 5,000 years old. The body had pierced ears and the holes had been enlarged to 7-11mm diameter.

Nose piercing was first recorded in the Middle East aproximately 4,000 years ago, it is mentioned in The Bible in Genesis 24:22 Abraham requested his oldest servant to find a wife for his son Isaac, the servant found Rebekah, and one of the gifts he gave her was a "golden earring" the original Hebrew word used was Shanf, which also translates as "nose-ring".

knowledge

That's a REALLY old fad. I can't wait for this newer fad of houses and cities to die off, so we can all go back to caves like it was meant to be!

/sarcasm

A Car Dealership is a tall order. I have a friend who does well because he owns the inventory. Most dealers don't. He inherited the money though. You will need lots of money for that one. At least a very expensive home to put up for a start-up loan.

I went the service route which only required a a few thousand to start up. I'll never get rich, but then I've not had an empty pocket since I started. I and my Wife put in around 120 hours a week combined for the first few years and now we take turns going in and have cut back to around 60 hours combined. For years I always had employees who made more than me. I did not mind because it lead to something far better. Now I'm contracted years in advance. I just smile when I hear the not so quiet comments about what do I do They missed the years and years of sacrifice when young so I can relax and travel a little now. I have one person now who made more than me last year. She was ranting about not making enough last year just last week in fact. I share the profits with everyone who works for me. If they put in the effort and earn more than me, I love it.

reply to post by Blaine91555


"It's good to be king"- Some random king probably.

It's always better to work for yourself than have a master. Money isn't even the real reason why I would start a business.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

 

So it's a case of the private sector putting it's influence on it's workers? Why do we as a society allow it? Why, in a world of self expression and tolerance, are we still allowing this to go on?

Private business can't hire based on religion, sex, race, age, disability, or creed. The CRA doesn't cover tattoos, as well it shouldn't. If a business doesn't want a walking billboard working for them, it's their right or to tell them to cover them up, to not hire them at all.

/TOA

Isn't race and creed pretty much same thing?

Race is nationality. Creed is a belief system. Political ideology or belief in the Easter Bunny are covered under "creed".

/TOA

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
Does anyone else have piercings, or tattoos, or both, that they get a hard time about in the work place? I do, and it makes me wonder why because they are very popular things to have. Why do we as a society allow this to happen? Given the popularity of these things, why is it still a requirement to not have them or cover them up at work? Are work places scared that they might lose out on some money if an employee offends one complete idiot? I feel like working involves emptying my personal "slate" of all personal expression, and becoming more of an object than a person. Does anyone else feel this way at their job?

Tattoos well if you are dressed they should not be seen, unless you have tattooed your face and hands.piercings well many of them on your face could be a liability thing. What would happen if your nose chains and piercings get ripped out at work...? So to minimise damages they just say no.