Tree of knowledge of good & evil, And the Tree of Life

reply to post by ToneDeaf


You dont understand?

The act of the fault of result in eating the from the tree was disobedience.
It was doing something God said not TO!.
man failed God, not God failed man.

Man broke that commandment, and God was heart broken as a Father would be to his children, Saying why did you do what i told you not to??, Who told you what is right and what is wrong, Who told you that you are naked?

Satan succesfully defeated man at that moment, But Jesus Succesfully defeated satan and death on the cross.

Explain to me how God lied?
Satan isnt stupid, He knows the truth, He knows and damn right fears, but he knows mankind and the nature of man since he has existed on this earth since before man.

And man surely did die, because adam died 900 years later, along with everyone up until the flood.

reply to post by InnerstellarOne

And man surely did die, because adam died 900 years later, along with everyone up until the flood.

So if Adam didn't eat the fruit he would have been immortal? Immortal man? What is the point of that? We would be virtually Gods. And the Earth would quickly become overpopulated with immortal man. It makes no sense. Further, the species of man did in fact survive by the survival of Noah, did it not? We are still here right now aren't we? Or are we devil-men?

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by InnerstellarOne

 

So you can see what an Awesome and loving wise, smart, Holy and Truthful faithful God we serve

I don't "serve" anyone. I'm not a damn slave! I do not seek to be ruled by any other being, regardless of what they may try to offer me in return.


Your a slave whether to man, to society, to the government or to money.

But you claim not to be a slave?. Sold unto sin is slavery, born into sin, But freedom and liberation is found is Christ, and Him alone.

There is a reason i serve God, Not from a slave persective, No man or women who believes in jesus as thier saviour are slaves, because God crowns them with glory and honour as a Child and reserves a mansion for them in heaven, The only thing about serving as a Christ one, is that we cannot do anything on our own, that we depend on Gods Spirit and His power in Us to overcome, Not by our own means, To serve God means, to follow, lay down your own life for the life of others, and to take up your cross and crucify your flesh.

I in no way will listen to you claiming that God makes slaves out of people, its a free will to serve God, Because of how great He is, and what He has done, and who He is, which is the only reason i would need to serve my creator, because he knows what i need and what i want before i do, and he will provide for me, He is Jehovah Jireh.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Exaclty if man had not sinned, man would remain in everlasting life on earth, and would not die.

Have you not red what i wrote on OP?.

Look go back, have a read.

If man had gotten back into the garden after being removed and ate of the Tree of Life, he would have reigned in sin for eternity without death. Thats why God put the flaming sword there.

As for man, Noah survived? do you know him? a man, who spend 100 years building a boat in honour and faithfulness to God, Saved 8 people, and all creation, To start over again, anew.

But mans days would only be 120 now, because for the flood, which had never happened, the thick canopy of ozone layer around the earth that protected and magnified life for hundreds of years was broken and mans life was shortened. Therefore no one lives above the age roughly of 120

?????

The answers are all in the BIble. It's all very clear but you ask people on ATS. Are you Christian or just some religious person?

reply to post by InnerstellarOne

Your a slave whether to man, to society, to the government or to money.

But you claim not to be a slave?.

You are correct in some regard, but that's why I'm on ATS. Knowledge is power. I do all I can to avoid the iron fist of the Government, and the absurd rules of man. The control freaks hate people who don't respect authority. I find it humorous how attached they are to their illusionary rules and concepts.

There is a reason i serve God, Not from a slave persective, No man or women who believes in jesus as thier saviour are slaves, because God crowns them with glory and honour as a Child and reserves a mansion for them in heaven,

Do you get free virgins with that order of Heaven mansion? Lol, I'm joking. Can't you see how ridiculous what you just said is? You are talking about submitting your soul to another being in return for wealth, glory and honor? Could you get any more materialistic?

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by maryjo44

 

Yes there is now a power of Grace at work after the cross where man has been forgiven of sins, But only if He acknowledges God through Jesus, and repents, asks Jesus to come into His life, to change Him, to be the Lord, and saviour and that you will follow Him and Serve Jesus, Then again do those people truly become saved, and forgiven. But its a free will choice again, you can choose not to serve God, you can choose to serve man, money or false Gods, God wont stop you, He cant interfere with your free Will, But He Loves you regardless and that will never change, Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ.
Only those can enter the City whose names are written in the lambs book of life.
Man still lives in Sin, Because he still sins, Unless he is born of God, and His spirit is in Him, He no longer wants to Sin, But Christ became the Last adam, the one to overcome the price of sin, But it dosent mean it abolished it from the earth, It just abolishes it from mans hearts if they ask for forgivness and repent sincerely to God of thier sins, Under the OT the old law, high priests had to make sacrifices unto God for the remissions of sins, Jesus is our NEW HIGH priest who put an end to the law, fulfilling the law with Love, because He himself became the sacrifice, The lamb of God, which takes away the sins of the world.
Romans 8:38-39

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ahhh.....So what your saying is is that before Satan deceived Eve and Adam, they didn't have free choice....So Satan had to cause them to eat from the Tree of Knowledge (trick them) so that they would never be able to regain their empty minded bliss...In other words humans can never regain their true relationship with God, no matter how many Adams over come Satan's temptations into sin. So we are still born into sin and gain forgiveness through repentance onto Grace, and fighting all our lives to keep it...The punishing never stops

reply to post by maryjo44


Man always had free will, he had freedom, which was a gift and trait from the creator.

man had a choice in what to do, if he didn't he would have made the choice to eat the fruit eve gave to him.

Like i said before, the act of disobeying Gods commandment brought in sin, and both physical and spiritual death.

While we live on this earth Paul told us that we run this good fight of faith, which in the end we receive our crown of eternal life, Victory over this earth and our inheritance into eternity in Gods presence.

Life is not easy, because satan always puts up challenges in our life to hinder us, causing us to fall, stumble and sin. But thats why God gave us His Spirit, The Divine Person, so that we would not be orphans, but that he would reveal all of the things that God says and had commanded and causes it to come to our rememberance.

Look this is why God gave the armour, in Ephesians 6.

To overcome the wiles and fiery attacks of the wicked one, which cause us to fall, and cause us to cower and retreat from the pressure, But our weapons are not carnal, but Spiritual.

The darts of satan are doubt, lies, and confusion, just like Jesus suffered in the wilderness, We can and have overcome when the enemy attacks us, because Christ overcame.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Im sorry im not islamic, i dont believe islam, or Mohammad.


Its just a false doctrine used to decieve the world to thinking Christians and Muslims serve the same God, which is a lie.

I dont consider it stupid or idiotic to serve another being? Not if that being made you, and gave life into you, and all He wants are willing vessel;'s, thats it, He wants us to be able to do what he cant on this earth, Thats why the power of the Holy Spirit was given to us, So He can live in us and empower us.

Its not about material possesions, It not about possesions at all, But its about people, souls that Jesus cant get to, Because how many of Gods children dont have the chance to hear about Him who they have never heard of? and how will people hear of the Gospel unless willing vessels take the Message of Salvation through Christ to the world, unless God has Faithful people who surrender there all to do the Will of God, Which is by far the most important role or position both on earth, and in the whole universe.

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
He is Jehovah Jireh.

TRUTH is the word 'jehovah' is a new
man-made concept.
FACT is that 'jehovah' is never mentioned
in any books till of late. (JW) So basically,
what you are saying is that all the previous books
were wrong.

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by maryjo44

 

Man always had free will, he had freedom, which was a gift and trait from the creator.

man had a choice in what to do, if he didn't he would have made the choice to eat the fruit eve gave to him.

Like i said before, the act of disobeying Gods commandment brought in sin, and both physical and spiritual death.

While we live on this earth Paul told us that we run this good fight of faith, which in the end we receive our crown of eternal life, Victory over this earth and our inheritance into eternity in Gods presence.

Life is not easy, because satan always puts up challenges in our life to hinder us, causing us to fall, stumble and sin. But thats why God gave us His Spirit, The Divine Person, so that we would not be orphans, but that he would reveal all of the things that God says and had commanded and causes it to come to our rememberance.

Look this is why God gave the armour, in Ephesians 6.

To overcome the wiles and fiery attacks of the wicked one, which cause us to fall, and cause us to cower and retreat from the pressure, But our weapons are not carnal, but Spiritual.

The darts of satan are doubt, lies, and confusion, just like Jesus suffered in the wilderness, We can and have overcome when the enemy attacks us, because Christ overcame.

Thank you Innerstellarone...You truly know your Bible. I just hope it's all true, and not some made up control program introduced to man, because the old one was failing...

reply to post by maryjo44


I appreciate your respect Mary, I do know and i can assure you myself that we are made for something far bigger and much greater than just planet earth, But mans eyes are too foolishly sown shut that he cant see past his house, job, city, possessions and mediocre life. Who are being manipulated by the elites of this world.
Anticipate and Rejoice for the return of Christ is soon, and that all nations shall see, and know that Our God, is a sovereign God, a loving God, a holy God, and a Righteous God.

That His word stands sure, and He is faithful not slack on His promise

reply to post by ToneDeaf


The name God, is also just a name that is given to a supreme being.

I know my Gods real name, Yahweh, Elohim my creator.

The names given in Hebrew and Aramaic, are translated into the original today.

Every name the Jews gave to God was revealing that special nature and character of His name.

My provider shall supply all my needs, Is Jehovah Jireh, Like moses and his people who were in the desert for 40 years, God provided them with food and water daily.

He is our provider.

________________

Yes but if you are going to state things as fact,
then use FACTS.
www.jewishencyclopedia.com...
If a simple thing as a name is misconstrued,
then the rest is left debatable too.
What I'm saying is if you are going to make up a name
for God, whats stopping you from misinterpreting
everything else ? Did you know that there is no J sound
or letter in the Talmud or Torah ?

reply to post by ToneDeaf


That is why J is replaced with Y

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
That is why J is replaced with Y

Noooo, 'J' and
etc has replaced the original transcripts.
In other words, doctored.
Might as well call God 'bob' or 'tom' . . .
Point is, if a simple thing as a name can't be
kept to the original, then what's stopping religions
from making up other things . . .

reply to post by ToneDeaf


I dont know why so many religions come up with differant names, but its cultural diversity through the language, English is just universal, and everyone knows the name God. But the jews never gave God such a name, They always like i said, had names for His character and personality of his potraying at that time.

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is a metaphor for the indoctrination by your parents, religious institutions, school and society we receive as children.

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ToneDeaf

 

You dont understand?

The act of the fault of result in eating the from the tree was disobedience.
It was doing something God said not TO!.
man failed God, not God failed man.

Man broke that commandment, and God was heart broken as a Father would be to his children, Saying why did you do what i told you not to??, Who told you what is right and what is wrong, Who told you that you are naked?

Satan succesfully defeated man at that moment, But Jesus Succesfully defeated satan and death on the cross.

If man was perfect and lived in the garden of Eden with no knowledge of evil, or death then how was it his fault. God supposedly said if you eat of the tree you shall die. They didn't know what "death" was. They didn't know what disobedience was. Man didn't even know what morality was. That came after eating from the tree.

When you have a child you are supposed to take care of him/her. Feed him, clothe him, teach him, protect him, love him, and forgive him. So according to the story it was god that failed man. Then instead of "forgiving" like he supposedly expects every one to do, he punishes mankind with suffering and death until the end of time. One set of rules for him and a different set for man. Doesn't make any sense.

Unless, the stories of the bible are just a metaphor of the evolution of man's consciousness. Then it makes sense.