Tree of knowledge of good & evil, And the Tree of Life

Okay, this is going to be a post i just typed up on a thread i was reading.
and i figured what i have typed is in its own retro spect to be a thread of its own.

SO what i want to discuss here is the reason of The tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
And what happened, why is happened, how it happened that caused man to be in a state of sin that has caused death, curses, pain, and everything that causes grief to become a part of our reality on earth.
and Please i ask constructive criticism from a biblical point of view.

I have alot of questions, answers and hyper allegorical, paradox's, paradimes, and possible outcomes if what would really happen "IF" Jesus failed like adam did.


First of all the Word of God is true, Its unchanging, undeniable and unfailing, Because Love never fails, and God is love; Therefore agape never fails.

1 John 4:8
"For he who knoweth not love, knoweth not God, for God is love".

God only had two commandments in the Garden for man, Do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,

Be fruitful and multiply. (be gracious and abounding)

We know satan is a lier and the father of them, since he was a lier and a murderer from the beginning.
the one thing that sparked such a hate for man, was the relationship and love of God for man, and satan hated man for this, and satan came to the conclusion if he cant get to God through himself, he would pull down and get to God through man, and destroying what privileges and authority that man had recieved from God.

Satan was envious, He hates mankind so much.........Its unreal how much. so lets take a deep look into what really went on during the temptation is the garden

Satan made something twisted and poisonous out of order and truth, he questioned and seeded doubt into the heart of eve, he wove his way into eves emotion and through her easily weak nature, and mind, he cunningly convinced her with that temptation question, "Does the Word really say that, Is God really true, Are you sure that you wont become like God(s) Like a God being Gods more than one. the second And final adam went through this as well is Matthew 4 whom is The son of Man, (Jesus Christ), and praise God forever and ever Christ overcame and the victory was won on a tree.

Satan went through Eve to GET adam to sin, because Man, Not woman, Was given the Spiritual Authority over all creation, both physical aswell, Adam was made Gods Highest creation and most valued, and was put in charge over all the earth to be both His father, best friend and keeper of all that was created.
The serpent, Satan, Lucifer saw this and knew he couldnt get adam to fall into sin. and we know that Pride was the reason he fell from heaven, Because he lifted up his heart and set himself above God, wanting to be greater, But God cast him down because of the sin which he first committed and tried to overcome God and Michael and his angels, and satan was cast down with 1/3 of the angels who disobeyed and followed satan. They are reserved in chains until the day of eternal judgement where they are sent to Hell which was created for satan and his angels, not for man.

So satan temped eve, making it seem so suttle and cunned her into doubt and twisted words, and because of her weak nature, she had the authority to adam, because he was weak unto submission of her, and through this deception she got him to eat the fruit, and therefore because of this, He was cursed through her transgressions, Resulting in the fall, and the curse of sin and death and separation from God because of Sin, But which Christ Jesus overcame Halleuah! .

If eve had eaten the fruit, and not adam, if adam resisted and rebuked what she had did, things would be alot differant, man wouldnt be cursed, because it was eve that sinned, not MAN, the one who was given THE AUTHORITY, and DOMINION from God on the earth, So there was satans cunning plan to dethrone God by the simple of act of a lie and deception though eve, who caused Man to sin, falling into spiritual death with God, and Satan became the God of this world through adam,
Now picture This, i was having a discussion with a theologian elder in my church that i know, and we came to the conclusion when Jesus was tempted in the desert, When the Devil told him that if he is God command the stone to turn to bread, and for him to throw himself down of the temple tower, and for him to bow down and worship him and he would give him ALL the power he obtained from Adam, But Jesus overcame, He was the second and last adam, the one to overcome through temptation, and succed for mankind leading to salvation through Christ on the cross, all Power and authority Dominion and honour was stripped from satan and he was defeated there and then on the cross of calvary.
If Jesus had, i repeat had failed and gave into temptation that satan faced Jesus with in the desert, Satan would have become, wait for it. The God of God, and satan would have achieved what he planned to do in the garden. But once again, The price was paid, Christ over came, Being God in the flesh, put satan under first subject to the written word of God, That Man should live by the word of God, That you shall not tempt the LORD your God, and you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve, And i love and thank jesus for overcoming, what he paid, and acomplished on the cross, is perfection of the destruction of death and sin caused through adam, restoring man to His rightful dominion through Christ, and now Christ whom is seated at the right hand of the Father, who is above all names, power, authorities and over all things both in heaven and earth. 1 Peter 3:22.

So you can see what an Awesome and loving wise, smart, Holy and Truthful faithful God we serve, That our Father in heaven Gave His only SON that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16.

so here is another paradime, We know that when adam and eve were removed and cast out of the Garden of eden, Now in the garden was the Knowledge of good and evil tree, right?, And there was the Tree of LIFE!, Now God two placed a flaming cherubim, with a zigzagging sword to Block any ever returning or entering into the garden. Genesis 3:24.
If man had ever had entered back into the garden, He would have eaten of the tree of life, and would have remained in eternal life in sin. Think about this, Undying, Unchanging, because of the act of choice of man, God cant step in and change this, and man would forever reign in sin, on earth and satan would be the ruler of us all and the world. Im sure this has never been thought or bridged on the possiblities of thinking before, so please lets discuss .

At what stage in did Satan become a liar and murderer? Satan was once an Angel, was he not?

I enjoyed reading what you had to say here. Ie always found this "moment in Time" extremely interesting as it set the path for "man" from then to now. here is more of a "what if" thought !

AsGod was walking through the garden he was seeking Adam and Eve to comune with, when they revealed themselves and stated we were hiding because we were naked, God replies "Who told you this?" What would have happened hed Adam (first) repented and then Eve? would God alllowed it? would the world be different now. Just a interesting "what if".

Well im not God, But i believe he was cast down to the earth, before man was created, therefore he was in the garden when adam and eve were there.

Isaiah 14:12-21

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

why could god not see them if her created everything and knows/sees everything? god must have been "human" if he walked in the garden and Adam and Eve spoke to him as if they had seen him before.

Originally posted by LookSkywatcher
At what stage in did Satan become a liar and murderer? Satan was once an Angel, was he not?

Im not hot on my Bible knowledge but im pretty sure Satan loved God at the start so much he'd do anything and did. Once God created man this act alone made Satan hate man since he is no longer "1st" is gods eyes and Satans actions from this point are to smear humans in gods eyes returning him to "1st" spot.

I personally think that was silly, In Gods eyes were all "1st" its our own judgement and opinions which made us believe that there is a "1st & 2nd" where in actual fact were al equal.

reply to post by ETXFISH49


Well God did create man in order for a relationship purpose.

Man was made from the dust, clay, dirt and material of the earth, He was a earthen vessel, But what distinguished This creation from being the same as the birds or animals on earth, is that He become a living being, When God BREATHED His spirit into man, and His life, and man became a living being, made in the image of God, Therefore man is a Spirit being, and without the spirit there is no life in a man you see?
Man bears the image of God, whom gave us HIS life, HIS spirit and caused something that was dead to become a living being, His own child, made in His image, and gave Him to be over all creation and to have fellowship with God,

Being made in the image of God, man Has Intellect, Wisdom, Creativity, And every characteristic of the creators mark in us, and most of all, A free will, to choose inevitably what to do, Therefore God could not stop man from sinning, because man was made like God with choice and free will.

So what you have is a being, made, carved with heavenly hands, crafted and designed in the Fathers own image, and Given that Life of the Father himself, and become a Spirit Being, in an earthen vessel.
Which in the scripture that paul explains the hidden treasure within a man, His spirit which is eternal undestroying because the spirit is the part of God that gives man life, and cannot be destroyed.

2 Corinthians 4:7
"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."

Who put the Tree in the Garden? God.

Who put the serpent in the Garden? God.

Who gave us the attribute of curiousity? God.

Who knows everything, but reacted in surprise, disgust, and anger when we disobeyed his order? God.

Does God accept any personal responsibility? No.

Who pays the price for our creation? We do.

Freewill isn't putting a gun to someones head and stating, "Well, you can do whatever you want, but if you don't do it my way..."

Did you and the elder from your church touch on the fact that if God created everything, then he either by lack of forethought or by design, created humans with the inevitable outcome of failure? Why would a God who could create everything and anything at a whim, I mean the whole universe, and put a few humans which he cared about so much, in such a way that their demise was almost sure to happen? If he cared for us so much he wouldn't have tempted us in the first place, am I right? This is a story that you believe in, and it is open to much debate about how literal the words may be taken. Maybe there is some truth to it, but picking apart the struggles of man or God in this story may not get you any closer to the truth. I don't know, I think it is a great story, that does foretell our very ancient step away from a more earth friendly path, but is taking it literally going to get you any closer to the real truth. Imagine for a minute that whomever first wrote this story WAS enlightened. Are you helping the idea at all by standing on it's literal interpretation?

Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ETXFISH49

 

Well God did create man in order for a relationship purpose.

Man was made from the dust, clay, dirt and material of the earth, He was a earthen vessel, But what distinguished This creation from being the same as the birds or animals on earth, is that He become a living being, When God BREATHED His spirit into man, and His life, and man became a living being, made in the image of God, Therefore man is a Spirit being, and without the spirit there is no life in a man you see?
Man bears the image of God, whom gave us HIS life, HIS spirit and caused something that was dead to become a living being, His own child, made in His image, and gave Him to be over all creation and to have fellowship with God,

Being made in the image of God, man Has Intellect, Wisdom, Creativity, And every characteristic of the creators mark in us, and most of all, A free will, to choose inevitably what to do, Therefore God could not stop man from sinning, because man was made like God with choice and free will.

So what you have is a being, made, carved with heavenly hands, crafted and designed in the Fathers own image, and Given that Life of the Father himself, and become a Spirit Being, in an earthen vessel.
Which in the scripture that paul explains the hidden treasure within a man, His spirit which is eternal undestroying because the spirit is the part of God that gives man life, and cannot be destroyed.

2 Corinthians 4:7
"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."

your whole post gives credibility to the ancient alien theory that we were created by aliens with advanced tech aliens that needed us for various tasks aliens we have a connection to due to the dna we share now more than ever we need them to return the caretakers they left in charge the ones we call tptb have really messed things up time for a re-boot

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Well your correct!, Satan was a seraphim right?.

He was made beautiful, and full of light, Therefore he is transformed into an angel of bright light.
He loved God, and God loved him, But Lucifer was found in his heart, to be above God, to set himself above God and to over throw him.

Because of this pride in his heart, it resulted in the banishing and downfall of satan and a 1/3 of the angels of God, as its written in scripture.

I know God loved lucifer, and lucifer loved God, But he wanted to be above God, He convinced 1/3 of the angels, Numberless, To join in his plan to rise up and rebel against God, and they became the fallen angels, that as time reveals in the word were the ones that decieved the world, giving false doctrines, breeding with the women of the earth, creating giant, mythical God like men and women that ancient religions believed in and worshipped in deceit., Ect, Rah, Zues, Babylonian Gods, mayan Gods...ect.....Nephillim

But in no way did satan ever love man, or want anything to do with man, because of he knew what man was, and how precious man was above all the creation in the universe and heaven, and he has done and did everything he could to destroy the line of david, Direct Ancestor for which Jesus the Son of God, Who was and is, and always was with the Father, Would be manifest in the flesh, and walked among us to overcome the wages of Sin, on behalf of man. John 1:1.

So you have a race of beings, hybrids, destroying polluting the earth, destroying the world of man, But God had to send the flood to wipe out all evil and wickedness, why do you think God sent the flood?, why do you think noah was spared? because he was the only one to find favour in Gods eyes!, he was faithful, he spent 100 years, a lifetime of blessing for most today, he spent 100 years in obedience to God who promised He would destroy the earth because it hurt him how wicked man had become, But Praise God for the faith noah had and God promised not to destroy the earth, but to save us through the Ark, which is a type of Christ, saviour of man.

I am sorry to inform you the bible is not the real deal.

The truth is the truth. I dont claim to know the truth, but I am certain it isn't the bible. Therefore, debating it is a null point.

How is Eve accountable for disobeying God if she didn't know good from evil until after she ate the fruit?

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I cant give credit to that theory.

Because the Word of God is true, And The Father is a Person, He is the Son, and He is the Divine Person, The Holy spirit, He is not a conscious state of energy, He is a being, far above all that is. And He is Love Divine in Origin.

Gods love is supernatural in Origin, But practical in application.

I have heard ALL the annunaki, sumerian theories about man, and i can tell you all of it is a lie, The Word is The Word, its truth unfailing man, Call me ignorant, but im word based, Because i know its power, I know its real and i understand how man came into being, and how man shall leave to a place eternal..

reply to post by korath


Satan decieved her into temptation, Because satan knew that adam would rebuke him and and resist.
But eve was weak in her nature and through her, satan got to adam.

Only in that time did they know what was good and was was evil, because they hid behind fig trees, knowing they were naked, and when God asked where there were because he couldn't find them because of SIN, and they were hiding from him.

reply to post by InnerstellarOne

We can look back and analyze what happened between fall, pre fall, life of the law and ten commandmants, until Christ himself took on him the curse of Sin, and abolished the law, but gave us one commandment, and that is we should love others as Christ has loved us.

Galatians 5:13-15.

For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Originally posted by LookSkywatcher
Satan was once an Angel, was he not?

He still is an Angel ... I'll let someone else explain it

If the Tree of Life, is the knowledge of, and ability to change genes / genetics / gene splicing/ altering our DNA

then man has returned to the Tree of Life... through technology & science rather than belief & faith,
i have a suspicion that the fiery Cheribem w/sword that blocks man's way from the Trees of Life
& the Tree of Knowledge of Good-&-Evil (which corresponds to Creation-v-Destruction) got taken away at the
resurrection when a new world was afforded those that 'Believe'

He is an angel, and always will. But Hes in league with Michael, Just as satan is the head over demons, Michael is over the Angels of God.