A few questions for Christians

Originally posted by graphuto

Originally posted by Athin

Originally posted by daggyz
There is also a letter written that Paul refers to that has never surfaced, the letter to Laodicea. In fact there are probably hundreds of letters to various churches that have been lost.

Being a Christian isn't about having the correct letters and books in the Bible, it's about relationship.

There were some seven hundred churches in China in the 1970's that were birthed out of a man who only had about seven pages of the Bible in his possession. The early church has no NT books at all and no letters till about 50 years afterward.

Once again, the books are just letters on a page, the spirit is what gives them life, the spirit is the true reality not religious junk that is bound by a book and has no life that caused things to happen that you refer to.

Paul refers to... so I'm assuming you got that information from the Bible?(correct me if I'm wrong)
That's what I'm talking about. There is no proof whatsoever except for the words in the Bible.
Is there any proof out there, aside from the Bible, that proves Jesus was real? DNA, old remains, burial sites, etc...?

Obviously no DNA, old remains or burial sites, as he ROSE FROM THE DEAD. Troll.

Obviously not just from Jesus, but other main characters in the Bible.

This is the last I'm gonna say in this topic:

Things are the way they are because God wants us to have FAITH.

So either you do, or you don't. It doesn't get any more complicated or simpler than that.

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Your opinion doesn't count. You've already deemed yourself a moron.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by MamaJ

 

last 100 years is particular because there is historical data that can be thoroughly examined to validate or disprove such claims. prior to that it is common that history has been rewritten over and over, by both governments ...AND religions. the more recent the easier to validate the claim. there have been zero biblical prophesies fulfilled in the last 100 years. it is because the so called fulfilled prophesies have nothing historical to back them only the claims made in a religious text written by 44 + men...

Oh......oooooooooooook then. Either way...I see this thread as a waste of my time. I mean....anyone who wants answers does ask. But.... for the one asking a Biblical Question to Christians would first need to know and understand what it means to be a Christian first and foremost. I am sure most do not follow the Bible word for word completely as it was inspired by religious men as ALL texts that reference a God are. They are all inspired from within and each journey is so completely different and will indeed have different meanings and perceptions.

It just seems silly to debate the "small" stuff when there are bigger and better things we could be debating that may get us somewhere other than disagreeing and arguing. Each person will think differently with any sentence and or scripture....just the way it is. So..yeah....

I don't like to label myself because I think it takes away from who I really am and who I really am is a seeker of truth. My journey has lead me to fall in love with Jesus Christ and his teachings, however I do not consider myself anything other than a seeker. Why? Jesus never said I had to be a member of a Christian Church or any other for that matter. I firmly believe he made it to Christ-hood upon many incarnations and he is a brother who knows how to get the spirit where it wants and or needs to be. He never claimed to be God...he called on God as the Father. Many people within ANY religious text will agree and disagree. I like to focus on the important stuff.

At the end of the day..none of this petty bickering and misunderstandings mean anything. Live, love and honor your brother and sister. Don't kill...don't fight.... ya know ......live a good life and try to be of service to your fellow human. The end.

Originally posted by Athin
reply to post by graphuto

 

Your opinion doesn't count. You've already deemed yourself a moron.

Don't know if calling me a moron was really necessary, but whatever makes you feel better!

Originally posted by graphuto

Originally posted by Athin
reply to post by graphuto

 

Your opinion doesn't count. You've already deemed yourself a moron.

Don't know if calling me a moron was really necessary, but whatever makes you feel better!

Was a response for your 'troll' comment. Was just returning the favor

Matthew 10:14

Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.


Luke 9:5

And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”

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Your opinion doesn't count. You've already deemed yourself a moron.

Athin - 11-11-2011 @ 04:12 PM

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please define christian in your terms. the roman catholic church is the church that killed millions of people during the dark ages, and still is!

I have a question. The books you've mentioned at the last segment of your post, are they from the Apocrypha? (Meaning the books pulled from the bible) I'm just curious.

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very good mod!!!!!!!!!!
up until 1994 almost every protestant church taught that the pope is anti-christ!
some posts here have stated a lot of stuff that is not even close to mainline teaching.
i think you might agree that reading is not the same as study!
the old testament calls forth the new testament.
the old testament is not just for the jews, it is a must to to understanding the new testament!
the Christ did not come to nullify the old testament but to fulfill it!
yes jesuit futurism is anti-reformation as also it is totalitarian fascism!
i am a heretic!
a sinner saved by grace,not of my own works lest any man should boast, but by faith in the shed blood of Jesus the Christ, shed for us for the redemption of our sin!

Originally posted by Athin
I have a few questions for all you Christians out there.

The books in the Bible were written by various prophets, apostles and disciples yet the Bible itself was put together by a council of men. Why do you follow a book that was put together by men who decided what to put in and what to leave out? The specific book I'm talking about is the book of Enoch. Not only did it used to be in the Bible, other books in the Bible make reference to it. The dead sea scrolls also make reference to it. Yet most of Christians have never even heard of this book. To those who have I'd like to know what you think about it.

Apocrypha was tested against the New and Old Testament, and they were deemed sacrilegious by the Jewish and Christian establishment. Even though they slightly line up with the Old Testament, the majority of the text is in direct opposition to biblical text. "Book of Enoch", "Book of Judah", "Book of Marry", "Book of Joesph", and the others were written by others outside of the Judea-Christian denomination. They were never once apart of the New and Old Testament.

Originally posted by Athin
Why do you follow a religion that basically says "all life is sacred unless that life doesn't believe in your God"?

Misconception. According to biblical scripture, 'all life is sacred' regardless about personal belief. Why do you think God gives 'all of his children', believers and non believers, many doors to take toward salvation? Do you think he opens a door without opening a window? Not a chance. Atheists, Jewish, Islamist, Buddhists, and many-many others are 'all God's children'. Christianity teaches us to accept 'everyone' as our brothers and sisters. Gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are also accepted. Even though someone's actions may be immoral, we are taught not to judge others. Everyone is responsible for 'their own' salvation; thus, God has allowed people to come to him under the influence of their 'freewill'.

Religious establishment's criteria for membership contradicts, on many levels, with Christian scripture.

the truth is the bible makes as much sense as the believers want it to make.

i know its terribly frustrating but all we can do is look in from the outside world and laugh and admire the stupor they are in. its insane how these things in life that to one with logic and common sense seem so ridiculous but to others all they have to do is add in some blind faith and they will believe anything.

i've said it a million times and i'll say it again. its all built upon the fact that people are afraid of death. they are afraid that their life has no purpose or real meaning (which is doesnt) so they make up imaginary friends to worship who watches over them like a fatherly figure. its all a safety blanket from the truth.

the problem is they can't realize that when you get rid of this veil of blind faith you have the whole world as it is before you, and it is amazing and beautiful and there is no need for supernatural creators or gods. the universe is all i need and with that aw and love for the universe comes a love for everything within it because it is all a part of a huge infinitely complex mechanism, constantly flowing.

tis wonderful to not live under the rule of a god that man imagined in order to control man.

Originally posted by Section31

Christianity teaches us to accept 'everyone' as our brothers and sisters. Gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are also accepted. Even though someone's actions may be immoral, we are taught not to judge others. Everyone is responsible for 'their own' salvation; thus, God has allowed people to come to him under the influence of their 'freewill'.

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than whats with all of the stoning to death in the bible? and preaching that a man should not lay with another man. if christians are supposed to accept who they see as immoral and let them be responsible for their own salvation, why do so many of them get into everyones business? i.e. abortion and gay-lesbian rights

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I have a few questions for all you Christians out there.

The books in the Bible were written by various prophets, apostles and disciples yet the Bible itself was put together by a council of men. Why do you follow a book that was put together by men who decided what to put in and what to leave out? The specific book I'm talking about is the book of Enoch. Not only did it used to be in the Bible, other books in the Bible make reference to it. The dead sea scrolls also make reference to it. Yet most of Christians have never even heard of this book. To those who have I'd like to know what you think about it.

I regularly hear Christians say "all life is sacred", the majority of the time referring to abortion. My question is if you really believe this then why do you follow a religion that led to the slaughter of millions of people? This religion was directly involved in the killing and slandering of Pagans and Paganism. The Inquisition was feared because they would torture or kill any opposition to the Church. So much so that the famous prophet Nostradamus had to word his quatrains extremely carefully or face severe repercussion.

My final question is probably the most important one. To be a 'true' Christian you have to follow every word in the Bible. Let's look at a few verses:

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Why do you follow a religion that basically says "all life is sacred unless that life doesn't believe in your God"?

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I have read the dead sea scrolls and I believe they are of great value. If you read the book of Daniel you will find that God sealed certian things up untill the end times, that Daniel could not understand what God had reveiled to him and no one would be able to till the end times. Okay with that and ofcourse faith I believe the Dead Sea Scrolls were sealed up untill it was time for them to be found so that we could have a greater understanding of things which we do now that they have been found. That and modern science and the understanding of DNA opens up the understanding of the end times greatly (which if you havent noticed is fast approaching us) Now understanding Revelations as well as the key to revelations (The Book of Daniel) is a snap.

"all life is sacred"! Yes Amen! it is. God created us in him image and we are to respect his creation. All religions professing to follow Christ and the Bible are not authentic Christians but rather wolves in sheeps clothing hence you have mass blood shed in the name of "religion" that only gives Jesus and the Holy Bible and true Christains a bad name (Satans highest priority).

To be a 'true' Christian you have to follow every word in the Bible. This is a false statement. Our salvation lies in the belief that Jesus is the son of God, Confess that we know we are sinners and repent of those sins and to know Jesus Christ died for our sins, releasing the Holy Spirit so that we can have a direct relationship with God.
You completely miss the boat on the last one brother (not to be mean) the whole point of Jesus dieing for our sins was so that we can have eternal life freeing us from the law, not its natural consequences (which is why it was written to begin with) but from losing our eternal life. For we all fall short of his glory and we have all sinned and with out the death/resurection of Jesus Christ we have no hope for eternal life.




I could go into hours long explinations but this is the short of it. If you have other questions please feel free to message me and I would be glad to share the good news of Christ and our eternal salvation to you.

God bless ~Melissa101~

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You are so lost you have no idea which way is even up or down. I will pray Gods will be done and your eyes are opened. This is not a smart remark but rather one of pure sympathy, bless your heart brother...

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And the Roman Catholic Church is the seat of Satan and not the true Church that Christ built. The one and only unforgivable sin in the Bible is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, Catholics blasphemy the Holy Ghost on a regular basis as part of their traditions.

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Some of those quotes sound like they came out of the Quran! You wonder how many people who call themselves christian have actually read the entire bible. I was raised catholic and was an alter boy. After seeing how the priests lived a life of luxary as compared to their parishioners, I started questioning religion all together.

If you read the old testament, you find a more angry and jealous God than the God in the new Testament. You also find the life of Jesus missing between the time he was around 14 until he was much older. I also felt like you do, that how can anyone say the bible is legit when it's a known fact that some of the writings were removed because they didn't conform to "christian teachings."

Over the years I've realize how hypocritical religion truly was. The wars and killings in the name of religion has really changed my perspective on religion.

Originally posted by xxblackoctoberxx
tis wonderful to not live under the rule of a god that man imagined in order to control man.

Religion opens the human mind to 'what if...'.

Throughout may entire life on Earth, I have always asked, 'What am I? Where do I come from? How did I get here?' As I examine biblical context, through the eyes of science and philosophy, I see more questions pop up than answers. Somewhere in between faith, science, and philosophy lies the answer to 'Why do I exist?'. Even though I can answer the question through biology, my awareness and consciousness tells me there is something underneath the surface.

Ironically, science, philosophy, psychology, art, and literature opened me up to the existence of God. While I was standing on the edge of disbelief, my experiences in college made me a firm believer.

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you can see what i mean already with the responses i got.

i dont need anyones prayers, im fine. religion opening possibilities? ha.

im about to eat a huge yummy sandwich with some salt and pepper chips and black cherry soda so im not gonna respond in depth right this second. but those claims are ridiculous and completely backward.

whenever there is an argument with any logic they try to turn it around into sympathy and try to cover over their flaws with quick wittedness and semantics.

i dont need your stupid imaginary friends love, i have the universe. my possibilities are limitless. yours are limited by your god.

but i love you anyways



ps, i dont know why i described my meal in such detail.