Is God Satan? Could everything we know about the Abrahamic faiths be backwards?

Originally posted by Malcher

Originally posted by akushla99

The Creator created 'everything'.

Yes, God is satan!

Akushla

ahhhhhh...who created "The Creator"?

Satan created Satan in his own image

If Satan (God) stands against Satan (God) how then will his kingdom (His government on Earth) stand?

In the classical sense, Satan does not have the power to create life. That alone would makes Satan unequal to God\a God.

Here's my view, and it's a little bit crazy. Universe runs in cycles. It's turtles all the way down, electrons orbit proton planets. The big bang was a nuclear blast of a civilization far larger than ours destroying themselves. Next universe will be formed in whatever cataclysm destroys this one, and so on and so on.

Here's my view, and it's a little bit crazy. Universe runs in cycles. It's turtles all the way down, electrons orbit proton planets. The big bang was a nuclear blast of a civilization far larger than ours destroying themselves. Next universe will be formed in whatever cataclysm destroys this one, and so on and so on.

The god of the old testament is a pathetic mean minded monster - as anyone with half a brain can tell, same with 'allah'

The phenomena of organised religion is a compelling testament to the sheer power that social groupthink has over us.

Originally posted by christina-66
Another source in support of this perspective is the Nag Hammadi Library Codex Index. In particular On the Origin of the World and The Hypostasis of the Archons (The Reality of the Rulers) paying particular attention to the exploits of yalda baoth.

Spot on !

couldent have said it better

The problem is peoples blind belief in contradictory concepts set up in a book.

A book will never be what's inside of you. Therefore you must transcend your belief system and realize it matters not if the God in the Bible is Satan and whether that is or is not who the Illuminati worship.

ONLY THE DEEDS MATTER. That is how you may determine whom they worship.

I care not the name. I worship a God that is kind loving caring loyal helpful fair and equitable. According to the Bible that may be the devil. Does that bother me, no. I know my heart I know what is right and I will not let something outside of my self convince me otherwise.
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I hope all of you good people out there will do what most can never do:

Let go of your fear and trust yourselves.

I am still struggling with this as well. But what keeps me going is I have a goal and its to be free. I will die no mans economic slave and no creatures spiritual slave.

And godwilling this will be my last time through this dirtball.

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by starsyren
Well...I can think of a Greater Deception: what if Satan not only convinced man that he was gone...but also too that he was GOD?

What you're suggesting is clearly outlined in the Bible. Satan's first job is to convince you he's not real. Then the second is to convince people that he is God. A large majority of people will fall for his display of power and believe him to be God.

Don't let anyone trick you in any way. That day will not come until people rise up against God. It will not come until the man of sin appears. He is a marked man. He is sentenced to be destroyed. He will oppose everything that is called God. He will oppose everything that is worshiped. He will give himself power over everything. He will set himself up in God's temple. He will announce that he himself is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Abrahamic faith isn't as backwards as you suppose. Is God Satan? No, but Satan wants you to believe he is God. How can we know the difference? Read the rest of the chapter and you'll see that this person that claims to be God will be destroyed by none other than God. So wait for the first appearance of this super being, then wait for the one that destroys him. That will be the real God.

My friend on ATS,,,how do you know!!!

OP you are not alone. Seems many of us are taking that same journey. After having made this realization I feel so clean. I am writing a story about my journey here is a portion of what I have written


Pt 3 The rise of a Nationalist Zionist State
By Mxxx S.


Here is what we know. Moses came face to face with the deity Jehovah. Jehovah promised Moses a promised land. Blessings from heaven. All Moses had to do was control his people and get them there, surely a feat of great logistics in and of its self. A land of milk and honey promised by a god who calls himself The I Am. Lets change the dates here.

Jesus is wandering the desert 40 days and up pops Satan. Satan offers that surely Jesus could turn stones into bread. Remember the Manna from heaven in the Moses story? Are you seeing what I am seeing here. Now Satan suggests that if Jesus is the son of God he could throw himself from the mountain top and all the Angels of heaven would come to his rescue.

Finally Satan Offers Jesus the World and all of its Luster if Jesus just worship him. Moses was on a mountain top when Jehovah revealed himself. Quite a view I would imagine. How could Moses resist. Jesus did, Moses didn’t.

How many of you know that Hitler was a Jew. Just about everybody, right? Kind of an oxymoron, no? In part 2 we learned that the term NAZI is an acronym for the Nationalist-Zionist Party of Germany in the 1930-1940's. What the real history they don’t teach in books is that largely the party was made up of Jews. You didn’t know that did you? I didn’t either until just days ago.

Today we can trace back the men and women that came to the United States from Germany after WWII to Operation Paperclip as heavy players of the Zionist Regime. Today we see the world monetary system heavy with Jewish names. Is this just a coincidence. No, I don’t see it that way at all. Today they own the world of power and Finance. You know the names.

Today the Illuminati movement wants you to think that Lucifer is just a star. That Jesus and Lucifer are brothers and its just a left side-right side brain thing. A Maternal-Paternal term. All through the ages man has struggled to Know God. To bond with the creator of the Universe. In times like these when men are stripped of their riches and power and glory, mankind looks to God in the heavens and urns for a Moses. Couldn’t we all use a Moses now.

Is it just a coincidence that the Kingdoms of the World and toppling. Rulers and dictators falling like dead fleas from a dog after a bath. Ripe for a Moses don’tcha think. Occupy Wall Street (in my humble opinion) is fueled by a sinister cult to upset THE POWERS THAT BE in the world to bring on a New King, if you will. Look at the Arab Spring. All primed for their Messiah. A Moses. Promises of freedom, wealth spread evenly. Everybody gets a piece of the pie. Just as was promised to Moses by Jehovah and again Fame, Fortune, and the Power of the World if Jesus just bow to Lucifer-Jehovah-Allah-YAH.

Jesus wasn’t the Son of Jehovah. Jesus didn’t pray to Jehovah. No place in the Gospels do we have evidence that Jesus prayed to Jehovah-YAH.

Jesus died a poor mans death. His only possession was his clothing. As I have showed you, in the Name of Jehovah men and women children have died. Here in the United States it is more important to pray for Gods blessing and for BMW’s than it is to pray for the care of neglected and under fed children and seniors. Here in the land founded on the principles of God we send our parents to someone else when they can no longer care for them selves. A Christian Nation cant humanly care for its own elderly. The list of what I shouldn’t do. Bury my children and change the diapers of my parents. Kinda selfish don’tcha think? But hey it runs in the family, Jehovah is a Selfish God, or rather, LUCIFER.

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Very interesting perspective, and very well thought out post!

Thank you!!

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THANK YOU!! I will definitely be looking into that!!

Glad I'm not alone here....

Originally posted by starsyren
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Very interesting perspective, and very well thought out post!

Thank you!!

Oh its deeper,,,Moses and Israel cooked up this fake religion and from Moses comes the secret societies. Also I am convinced (without proof) that Moses stole the Arc of the Covenant for Ramses. Yesterday as I was YouTube surfing I found thisFree energy

Part of the lie that comes from Mosaic Law and from the lie of Yehovah is that we are to be prosperous. Moses didnt drag anybody out of slavery but into slavery to Satan. Moses stole an arc and that was why Ramses army gave chase. Moses took an Idle work force with him and promised a New Dream.Prosperity. He used the arc for his own ploy to back up the God story and defeat his enemies. This Lie of Jehovah,Yaw Allah being The Heavenly Father couldnt be farther than the truth. And the Zionist pushing Prosperity and Capitalism is so far from the truth of what the Heavenly Father had in mind....

well heck lets look at my Pt 2
So Moses grabs his crew and hits the wilderness. Along the way, he has yet another encounter with Jehovah. He is given the commandments and you know the rest of the Charlton Heston Story. Moses talks to God. But who is this tyrant of a Godhead anyway. Is he Marduk of the Sumerian Gods or is he the creator of Man or our planet. Is he the one who Jesus prays to as Father?

By now, we can almost not trust what the Holy Scriptures say. We have our own inner intuition that something isn’t quite right with Modern Religion, but over and over we are convinced to adjust our faith and pray up and never let doubt enter in , right. Yeah, me too. Over and over I have struggled with different contradictions.

So what is at the root of this serious deception? DECEPTION... How is that for an answer. You don’t like it do you. Ok Lets go back to the real beginning..Back to the Fall in Heaven. Classic story goes Lucifer got big for his britches and was cast out. Then as a consequence he was given the earth as his main domain. It is becoming apparent to scholars that the fall involved a jealousy of humans having a high stature with the true Father. It caused some pretty big stir at the seat of the throne. Lucifer was the twinkle in the Fathers eye. He was the bright and morning star.

So Moses comes face to face with Jehovah. Jehovah identifies himself as a Jealous god and demands no other gods before him. If I was Moses, I would be #ting my pants and saying no problem, what ever you say sir, three bags full and so on. But the story goes that Moses just bowed. Moses was no slouch to the ways of the gods. After all, he was the step son to the demigod Ramses. Moses had all the etiquette down with regard to the gods. But lets explore this maniac Jehovah. Why would he have to say he was jealous? Didn’t we see where jealousy had one guy kicked out of heaven and onto earth.

I have to ask myself why would Jehovah need to come down to earth to talk to Moses? We have some stories where others have been taken to the heavens. Why is it different this time? Hummmm!!! Its elementary to me that Jehovah would just send down one of those fire breathing chariots, no? Ok, ok I cant stand it anymore. And without further adue ladies and gentlemen may I present to you, Jehovah, Allah, LUCIFER.

Did anybody pass out? Nobody needs an Ambulance? Yes, you heard me I said Jehovah is Lucifer. All through the history of mankind no other name has cause the deaths of so many men. Wars have been fought over his name, wasted lives, men ruined in the name of God. Jehovah. Allah.

In Sunday school we were taught that the christian life was to be a simple life. Free of pride, vanity, glory, riches and the like. Riches hummmm!!! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven. Sunday school for me was a long time ago.

In the 1970's healing through prayer was the big thing. Oral Roberts was doing it on TV and you could go to a gymnasium somewhere not far and find some guy praying a leg longer or healing a back. If not you could find a summer tent revival and yep there they are throwing hands on some one. Funny thing though. With all the miracles we have heard of, have you ever heard of or witnessed the healing of a withered hand? No? Me either.

The 1980's brought the teaching of Prosperity through giving gifts. Remember that one? Kenneth and Gloria Copeland were all over that and so was Kenneth Hagin. So was every charismatic evangelical preacher across the fruited plain. Mostly the giving was the flock and the receiver was the Church.

The 1990's and 2000's brought on the Success movement. If your business wasn’t succeeding you need to give beyond Tithe. Pat Robertson was hot on this one and it hooked yours truly

Pt 2 continued
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The 1990's and 2000's brought on the Success movement. If your business wasn’t succeeding you need to give beyond Tithe. Pat Robertson was hot on this one and it hooked yours truly, for a while anyway. Since when did Religion become as commercial as Christmas. All of these movements have been endorsed by the most prominent Godly men of recent time. All in the name of Yaway.

People have died, hard earned fortunes have been given away in His name. Gold toilets have been installed in His name. Remember Jim and Tammy Baker? In the name of God. Races of people have been removed from the planet. The story of Ester came about because somebody in Soul’s army didn’t kill every man woman and child of their enemy as commanded by Samual.

My struggle ended when a guy named Gary V. told me in an email that the only thing that makes sense out of what is going on is that Yaway, Jehovah, Allah is the one and only Lucifer.
Matthew 24:24 states that if it were possible even the very elect would be fooled. I have and maybe you have too been beating your head against the wall to figure out that riddle.

Remember a long time ago I mentioned to be sure who you prayed to.....Now I know why I said it. More and more ancient information is coming to light. Decoding our present troubled time by looking at our ancient past is bringing on the true enlightenment movement.

If Lucifer is the lightbringer, and the devil is the prince of darkness, does that make Jesus him, and Yahweh the prime evil? I guess it's a matter of theology.

Originally posted by Grifter42
If Lucifer is the lightbringer, and the devil is the prince of darkness, does that make Jesus him, and Yahweh the prime evil? I guess it's a matter of theology.

too much thought into it. Its my opinion the Judeo-Christian ideology is bogus and much of the Holy Scriptures Bogus...time will tell

I dont know if anybody is reading my story parts but if so you should get part 1
Weighing in on Moses AKA Jimmy Hoffa and summing up the rest of the story.

By Mxxx S.
My research over the last years have taken me on quite a journey. Some of this I have shared with you, the reader. It all started out with world changing events of 2012. It ended with the conclusion things are just a bit outside the box of the common thought. I hope you stay with me on this ride, it was fun for me. Are you ready to have your world rocked?
Chapter 1
Giant Men of Renown or Heavenly outcasts?


Genesis 6 1-4 : When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

1. Is it any wonder how we as modern man became seemingly over night a race of great knowledge. Take a look at it. From Adam (Hebrew for modern man), the human race explodes from hunter gatherers to great animal and crop domestication, irrigation and shipping, and finally master builders. There can be no doubt that the great men of renown are the Anunnaki.

2. Genesis goes on to say that because of inter-breading of the gods and human women the great flood killed of the human race save Noah and his family. Lets look at this for a moment. Were the giant men of renown Heavenly outcasts or were they responsible for the modern race of man. Does anybody see a contradiction in scriptures? I do. Was Jesus also a demigod? People it can’t be both ways and I will no longer accept the excuse that God almighty moves in mysterious ways and through him are all things possible. After all who is God anyway.

3. Exodus 1-5: 1 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”

And Moses said, “Here I am.”

5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

Here we see God revealing himself to Moses as a great “I am that I am” A jealous God. Hummm. Sounds to me like a description of the Sumerian god Marduk. Do you feel me? Seems the contrasts of the Holy Scriptures are full of such contradiction. We will explore this later but first I want to introduce you to Moses, aka Jimmy Hoffa.
We all know the story of Jimmy Hoffa. He was the guy that organized the Teamsters Union in the United States and was killed later and buried in places unknown. So how does Jimmy Hoffa compare to Moses? It is my opinion that Moses was the head superintendent and head labor organizer of Egypt at the time. He was responsible for it all. The Exodus story says Moses lead Gods children out of Egypt and into the promised land. I just don’t get it.

Modern Archeology has shown that there were no slaves in Egypt at this time. It was a magnet for labor and commerce. We can see with the building of the time that is was the labor boom of the era. Masses must have came to Egypt and taken part in that great civilization and made a bunch of money in the process, until project completion and subsequent layoffs come along.

Think about it. There must have been all kinds of things there in Egypt that we associate with modern times. Things like banks, lawyers and contracts, even businesses like tool rentals and home rental contracts can be found in ancient Egyptian and Sumerian text. So looks to me like the land of “Milk and Honey” was Egypt, right? Well yes until the layoffs and unemployment cause some distension in the ranks of the unemployed. Masonry was a big thing of the time and still we can find the powerful Free Masons and their link to the New World Order

Chapter 2

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Chapter 2 of pt 1
Lead My Children out of Egypt


Moses having a speech impediment, say what? No I don’t think so. This guy had it all. He had the gift of gab. He had the gift of intuition. He had the brawn of used car salesman. He could read blue prints and lead subordinates to build the likes of the pyramids. He was no slacker and no lisper or stutterer. Much like Jimmy Hoffa, Moses had what it took to get the job done. So when the projects came to completion there was grumbling in the ranks. Moses saw an opportunity to cherry pick the very best craftsmen and lure them into a “Promised Land”.

Knowing the lay of all the lands Moses had his eyes on a new land. A New Dream. He could promise his people, ( Gods People ???), a new land to build up. A fresh land with all the promise of a new nation. The Hebrew Nation. Does it at all sound like the late Al Davis and “The Raider Nation” It should. So Moses rounds up his mob and heads out the door of Egypt.

Why does the scriptures say Pharaoh Ramses follow. Is it because Moses stole the “slave labor force” or did Moses steal something different altogether. The Arc of the Covenant.

you have someone who sais he´s pure while he goes against the dogmas of his belief
you have someone who sais that bevare of them that say they are pure ,

bla bla bla

individualy as separete "books" they are nothing more then basic dramaturgia
combined they promote a trillogy of sorts , nothing more ,
its all just well published readers digest ,

just wonder what next fallouts "digest" will be .

the clues are in the frikking book ,

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pyramids where refineries
mooses and c.o stole the radiant covenant
isreal has nukes

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I have had the same feeling about how everything is seems backwards in life, Then I spent most of my adult life looking into things, studying psychology and finally got a Ph.D. in the psychology of religion. My results so far are on my website:

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