Is God Satan? Could everything we know about the Abrahamic faiths be backwards?

The early core Satanists are only the first undercover officers in history. There were those people that played God, and others that played Satan. They pretended to hate each other, but rather used Satanism to test people, to see how holy they were. This is why "God" allows "Satan" to exist.


An example is the Catholic church and Freemasonry. The Catholics forbid anyone from associating with Freemasonry, but are both in collusion with each other. St. Peter was the first pope, and the word "Peter" comes from the word "rock". Although modern Freemasonry was supposedly created in 1717, it is supposed to be the reincarnate of the earlier traditions. The bible never actually says Jesus was a carpenter, as it actually uses a word that could be translated as either carpenter or mason.

The masons of the bible carried the secrets of building the great pyramids, and modern freemasonry uses the building of Solomon's Temple as an allegory to the building of the Great Pyramids. The TWO great pyramids together are on the flag of Israel, commonly known as The Star of David. There is no actual historical usage of the Star of David before the 1900s, however. It is actually the real Solomon's Seal. The base of the second pyramid was where the Ark of the Covenant was discovered in the late 1200s, and is described in the allegorical story of the Roscrucians. Later the Roscrucians created modern Freemasonry to fill the void. This is why the Knights Templar were disbanded and tortured by the Church. They had always said that they had the Ark, but were proven to be lying when the real ark was discovered a few years earlier.

a reply to: Vincent22why do you think it was found in a pyramid in the 1200s?

There seems to be a rash of dead threads from years ago being revived lately...

Once upon a time there was a group of writers who were eliminated by the ruling church because of this same belief...

They figured it out long ago, and were destroyed along with their writing...

Luckily someone thought to hide a lot of their writings in a cave, only to be found in the 19th century

The belief that the OT god was actually evil is pretty well outlined in the gospels...

Jesus vs The Imposter

originally posted by: Akragon
There seems to be a rash of dead threads from years ago being revived lately...

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That might be me but I figure I should do a search and see if a topic was already discussed before I make a new thread. But these forums seem dead, not many want to discuss, you do though, I just mean I wish more would post here. I gave them suggestions on the suggestions board and they called me a troll. Oh well sorry for rant,.

a reply to: HorusChrist

I would say its actually better to open a new topic and rehatch the discussion rather then bring an old thread back to life when the OP is probably not a contributing member anymore.

ATS is far from dead... but we always need new topics and discussions... even if they've already been discussed

This has always been a hot topic for me, but be careful... religious discussions disagreeing with Christianity are touchy

Be prepared to deal with fundies on the warpath

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: HorusChrist

I would say its actually better to open a new topic and rehatch the discussion rather then bring an old thread back to life when the OP is probably not a contributing member anymore.

ATS is far from dead... but we always need new topics and discussions... even if they've already been discussed

This has always been a hot topic for me, but be careful... religious discussions disagreeing with Christianity are touchy

Be prepared to deal with fundies on the warpath

yeah bring on the fundies or anyone, it really does seem dead. . . I want to discuss conspiracy theories which should be no surprise since that is what this site is for. I will also keep in mind maybe starting new threads, I came here for example to talk Jesus . . . there was already a thread about him at top which I suppose is no shocker in a religion forum so I posted there . .. . but also I recently was posting in the movies forum to threads made long ago, not thinking that would be a problem and in fact preferred! But no replies yet.

originally posted by: HorusChrist
a reply to: Vincent22why do you think it was found in a pyramid in the 1200s?

It wasn't just 'any' pyramid, it was in Khafre's pyramid, and found in 1296. There are TWO Great Pyramids in Egypt, with all of the focus being placed on one, which keeps any secrets in the shadows. The TWO Great Pyramids are the ancient Twin Towers of the world, and the origin of most secret societies. Khufu's pyramid (or the great pyramid) is larger only because it was built on lower ground, but the top of both pyramids are the same height. The causeway of Khufu's pyramid is aligned to the rising sun of the summer solstice, while the causeway of Khafre's pyramid is aligned to the rising sun of the winter solstice. They are a matched set. Imagine if people referred to the Great Tower of NYC, in reference to just one of the Twin Towers, it would be silly and ridiculous, but that is historically how these two towers have been treated.

Both pyramids form the origin of many secret societies, with the Roscrucians being among the earliest. The legend is described of finding evidence of an older secret society "in a cave", with nobody having signed the logbook in 108 years. So they restarted it. The reality is that it wasn't a cave, and it was the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark contained evidence that humans had played God to the Israelites using futuristic devices, and this knowledge took away superstitions and gave them power. It was about 216 years later when the Roscrucians became active, and is why the Knights Templar were burned at the stake in 1307. It was rumored that they had the Ark all along, but they didn't. They were found to be lying.

The Illuminati is the 13th level of the Roscrucians and is a religious order, representing the ancient caste among the pharaohs in Egypt. Freemasonry is intended to represent the builders of the pyramids, as the story of Solomon's Temple is just an allegory.

The story of Noah's ark is also relevant here, as that is how these people came to use these futuristic devices. There wasn't any worldwide flood as described. Instead modern humans lived on another planet which they destroyed. It is why there is an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. They arrived just at the end of the last ice age about 10,000 years ago. Comparing the Great pyramid to Noah's Ark, both have 3 floors, and just one window or door in the side. The height of the Great Pyramid is also the same as the length of Noah's Ark, with the other two dimensions being symbolic of the entranceway. The 3 passageways also form the basis of the 3 degrees of basic Freemasonry. The upright pyramid historically has been used as the symbol for fire, hence "pyramid" meaning "fire in the middle".

Khafre's pyramid, where the ark was discovered, has two passageways coming together, and turned upside down forms the faint image of what could an outline of a bird holding an olive branch. The shape of the upside down pyramid historically has also been used as a symbol for water. Both passageways are intended to represent what happened on the other planet to cause it's demise.

Both pyramids form the basis of "The Star of David". Now there is no evidence of the Star of David in ancient times, because it really is Solomon's Seal. The modern form of Solomon's Seal is intended to cover this up.

Khafre's pyramid is also reputed to be made completely out of solid masonry. The fact is that 12 archaeologists used a muon generator in the base passage to scan upward for anomalies in 1967. They also reportedly found a large mass hidden in the middle. However, they had to call their project off, because oddly Israel started the 7 Day War, and the entire region became unstable. They later sent one archeologist back, who said it was all a mistake, and there was no anomaly. Now Israel never publically linked the discovery to the sudden outbreak of the 7 Day War, but it is likely that someone knew, and figured it was a sign that their messiah was coming. Israel, as you know, has the Star of David on it's flag..

There is a bit more, but I'll just leave this for now..

What if we are all clockwork oranges and the bells simply haven't gone off yet?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
What if we are all clockwork oranges and the bells simply haven't gone off yet?

Discovering what's hidden in Khafre's pyramid would trigger plenty of bells to go off.

Notice how the Great Pyramid (Khufu) is very closely examined and discussed, while the other one is ignored? Khufu's pyramid has three empty chambers up in the middle, which were found to be empty. Its possible, but unlikely that anything else could be hidden in it. On the other hand, Khafre's pyramid has two tunnels mostly underneath, while the rest of the pyramid is solid masonry? I don't think so. What's hidden in that pyramid is the great mother of all secrets, and likely to cause a great upheaval of many belief systems, especially since both pyramids form the image of what is considered The Star of David. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam would all be affected.

The Jews left Egypt, while the Greeks took it over and then wrote the New Testament condemning the Jews for not believing in Jesus. In the bible, Mary also visited Egypt to find shelter. The similarities of both Jesus and Horus are well documented.

The 3 chambers of the Great pyramid (Khufu)are symbolic for the 3 degrees of masonry; crawling on all fours to enter into the 1st chamber, standing on two legs to enter the second, and rising up from a coffin after a near death experience for the 3rd. Much like humanity rising up from death and being restarted again.

a reply to: Akragon

I am very much alive and well, and still a member. I'm glad this topic is still being kicked around, regardless of what thread it's coming from. Odd synchronicity-moment for it too, I recently got into a discussion with a coworker over this exact theory!

a reply to: starsyren

Good to see you're still around

a reply to: starsyren GOD, created Satan, the wisdom of philosophy.

Human beings created science and followed occultism....the destruction of philosophy and wisdom.

Wisdom, the love of knowledge.

Destruction, taking the love of knowledge and believing yourself to be God, Creator.

Occultists believe themselves to be either Satan or God, as they aspire to be a self creator....yet the evidence speaks for itself, they are the destroyers of natural creation and also of evolution...the processes of change that heal the past mistakes.

Philosophy, aware that it made past mistakes and taught spiritual wisdom regarding loving family, supporting family, caring for the family, caring for the world family as the greater self, supporting life on Earth.

Occultism, couldn't care less about the family, only the self is important, the self and power, the self and creating powers, the self and destruction....to murder their family, to murder the world family and to take away life on Planet Earth.

Occultists the believers of Satan, Occultists.....brain possessed by the DNA chemical inheritances of atmospheric irradiation caused by their ancient relatives....who inherit the same human spirit who proposes all conditions will be met.

Who belong to occult practices....all of those who believe that God would destroy....for God created Satan and Satan supported the holy heavenly body as the spirit lost to light. We therefore should be wise and honor both spiritual representatives and do no harm to either spirit presence.

God the Creator of Satan......human occultists the destroyer of both spirits.

Is God Satan?

No.

Satan or HaSatan is linked to the Shaytan class of Jinn that existed on this planet long before Adam & Eve were manufactured via DNA splicing done by the Annunaki.

HaSatan is Azazel leader of the Jinn.

Day 6 was going perfect until the Annunaki came along and turned humans into slaves.

Enki (Lucifer) ran the slave game here on Earth whilst Enlil (Yayweh) viewed it from his UFO.

Then when the humans got peeved off at being slaves, Enlil used scalar weaponry to flood the entire planet crushing the rebellion.

All Enlil could find was one pitiful slave family to continue the sick game show - Noah's Ark

Archons live off fear. That is why world leaders create endless wars.

a reply to: starsyren

No, God isn't Satan/Shaytan. Though if you're into history, I suggest you look up the "Demiurge". That will explain many different early denominations & interpretations that would touch on your theory (sorry, don't care enough to explain it).

As for Islam, he is clearly a separate entity from God. There are many passages/ayats & Surahs in the Qur'an that explain this. This particular part explains it the best:

Quran, Surah 15, Al-Hijr ("The Rocky Path"), Pickthall Translation

28. And (remember) when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered,

29. So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

30. So the angels fell prostrate, all of them together

31. Save Iblis. He refused to be among the prostrate.

32. He said: O Iblis! What aileth thee that thou art not among the prostrate ?

33. He said: I am not one to prostrate myself unto a mortal whom Thou hast created out of potter's clay of black mud altered!

34. He said: Then go thou forth from hence, for lo! thou art outcast.

35. And lo! the curse shall be upon thee till the Day of Judgment.

36. He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the day when they are raised.

37. He said: Then lo! thou art of those reprieved

38. Till the Day of appointed time.

39. He said: My Lord! Because Thou hast sent me astray, I verily shall adorn the path of error for them in the earth, and shall mislead them every one,

40. Save such of them as are Thy perfectly devoted slaves.

41. He said: This is a right course incumbent upon Me:

42. Lo! as for My slaves, thou hast no power over any of them save such of the froward as follow thee,

43. And lo! for all such, hell will be the promised place.

Iblis, meaning "Despair", is the original name for our "Devil".

a reply to: Rapha
Origin Earth and Universe existed as a holy universal creation O, complete and perfect....no star systems.

Earth was a huge body of inlaid crystalline mountains...and the spirit presence on Earth were manifesting male light spirits...whose whole spirit manifested....followed by the manifestation of the female light spirit.....both of whom came from the androgynous higher light being.

They manifested and then demanifested....for creation was an error made in origin light....origin light only lost a light sound out of its huge body.

The Earth had no Satanic spirit presence, for the Earth had a different atmosphere. This allowed the human spirits to manifest and then demanifest completely....no death in this circumstance.

The human male the first witness to his own self deceit.....a male light androgynous spirit (by light definition...no penis), for no procreating spirit existed on origin Earth. The origin error in light was when this spirit placed his own presence into the lower light sound of his own origin light. He forced the light surrounding him to fall into itself...and he was left alone.

The creation act, complete, and then the bursting of light O orbs from the surrounding mass disappearance forming space, made origin creation a very different creation to what we now see.

As the male self was the first and last spirit on Earth, being the spirit who caused the mistake, he was closest to Nature....TREES/WOOD.

He believed that he was left behind by his family for his own spirit did not naturally demanifest in the fast process that his family achieved. Therefore his spirit person thought he was being blamed and that he was dishonored...yet he was not.

This spirit had to wait for the spatial cooling to change the sound in the origin light body, so that he would be released from his manifestation....this circumstance was going to take a longer demanifestation process.....so he considered how he was created, his family presence, the WOOD of trees and performed what was the evil act.....converting.

As his spirit is huge by actual presence of the multitude of his smaller selves, a large portion of the male spirit decided to act on this change....therefore he placed his own spirit into the nature of trees....and WOOD, the burnt spirit then attacked him.

This is how the origin Universe was attacked by the release of O sound UFO bodies that caused a Universal war.

Satan was formed in this outcome....for the higher atmospheric body surrounding Earth converted into the spiritual ethereal gases of hydrogen/oxygen/water....and this spirit is what our modern day psychic review named the act of CHRIST....the HOLY OX 1000....the holiness of oxygen and water.

When the new Nature spirit remanifested out of origin light into the Nature it became, our ancient brother decided to do occultism as a practice to levitate stone, as he wanted to build a monolithic structure to pertain that it represented his own egotistic virtue of his greatness....yet his presence and his spirit was the spirit who chose to destroy the natural life and origin creation...

This is the reason why males continued the tradition of believing themselves Creator....whereas in fact they are the Destroyers of life and creation, as they are proving to us all.

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the end-time/Tribulation God sounds just like the Old Testament God...
then Jesus comes, following the Heavenly Host Army of Angels...

Jesus comes for the sole purpose of setting up the 1,000 year Kingdom nothing else

outside of the Kingdom (greater Israel) the old Testament God reigns supreme among the Gentile nations who - at first- honor the 1,000 year Kingdom but as time goes by the nations conspire to re-invigorate the destructive empire to challenge the Kingdom led by Jesus AKA; the Bright & Morning Star

Satan is in full control of this world on every level. If God does not intervene soon enough, if He doesn't shorten the days, no elect person will be saved, said Jesus Christ himself. Notice that many elect persons who think of themselves as such, who think they serve their Gd, actually are the major obstacles before God's plan and serve the enemy in practice. As in the time of Inquisition when they burnt people in the name of God. God's action should come now, or there won't be anyone left to be saved.

Nice post.
I have notice't that people worship Jesus.
and have stop't worshiping God!

a reply to: St Udio

the end-time/Tribulation God sounds just like the Old Testament God...
then Jesus comes, following the Heavenly Host Army of Angels...

1000 Year review from the 0AD calculations of PHI and the signal being used by the occultists in the Giza relay.

Old Testaments a review of history done when the books were written. All historical references of plagues/earthquakes/natural disasters factored as an activated caused.....called the Carpenter (tectonics secret meaning).

Carpenter is the WOOD worker, and the realization about spiritual loss by attacking the WOOD of Trees.

The ancient occultist practice was stone levitation....stone the body that supported all natural plasma cell evolution.

Using radiation light sound of stone attacked the life cell condition, for the ancient science was a signal transmitted for WOOD/AIR/WATER/FIRE as a calculated and applied science in the Temples aligned to the pyramid transmitted signal.

CHRIST 1000 against SATAN 1000, reviews the condition that the CHRIST spirit removed devils from the atmospheric wavelength of the ALPHA MAN body.

Therefore the holy balances for atmospheric spirit return as the HOLY OX....oxygen/water regeneration was based on this review.

The calculation was factored from ancient Old Testimonial attacks on life to the future evaluation of using the PHI signal to the Year 2012.

12 being the new creation of time.
1000 and 1000 = 2000.

This is why this calculation was a real observation.

The prophecy predicted that if the science of Giza (Book of anima...Mayan Timed Calendar) was not prevented from its application, the evil spirits of the anima....forming artificial light sounds and spirit manifestations in the terrestrial would cause plagues in animals....plagues in human life.....earthquakes and flooding as future calculated events.

These prophecies came true...and proved that the evil occultists were attacking human life and also removing the spirit presence from out of the deceased body of Planet Earth....the tombs of the deceased (the holy Satan)...the fallen angel that protected Earth.

The review states the observed fact of evidence........the meteor showers were witnessed as JESUS returning....for the wrong JESUS was removed out of the stone....BARABBAS.

The Philosophy states that JESUS returning as the HOLY BODY out of stone disappeared as the spiritual presence when the stone "boulder" blocking the chamber was removed.

This review regards the holes bored into Planet Earth when the UFO star eruption attacked Earth and irradiated Earth, nearly destroying Planet Earth's origin.

The Philosophy reviewed that they had corrupted the life and spirit of Earth and Nature by causing the evil spirit of JESUS to be released out of the jail (entombed Earth spirit) instead of the HOLY SPIRIT RETURNING condition.

The brightness of the stars, relates to the condition of meteor explosions.

Meteors held in a frozen state in the star system trajectory that attacked Earth millions of years ago.

Using the cooled radiation trajectories heats the relay back to the star system, which is why it releases fixed and frozen stone, the answer to the holes bored into Earth as the fusion of stone returning to the removed stone.

This is the belief of changing time and reincarnation of the King....instead it burnt holes into Earth and the radiation that exploded from the Sun release in the ancient attack caused by human beings cooled.

Believing in exchange of matter belongs to this incorrect scientific evaluation, as the meteor return is demonstrating.

How much evidence does an occult scientist have to gain before they realize themselves that they are all mind possessed by the ancient evil encoded alien terrestrial spirit that our ancient brother placed into Earth's Nature.....occultism and its practices belong to being "possessed" and this includes "self possession of egotistical virtue".