Now what a story this is! ..what a doctor said infront of an abortion

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
I agree. People want to do all kinds of things, however they don't want to take responsibility for their selfish actions.

Don't want a child? Don't have unprotected sex. It's not difficult.

Well it's not difficult, but not everybody is going to follow your rules. There will always be the method of abortion whether you like it or not. Alot of people will choose the option of abortion whether you like it or not. You cannot expect the government to monitor women's wombs, that ain't going to happen.

So, don't like abortions? Simply don't have one. I'm sure that won't be a difficult decision for you to make in future.

Originally posted by bkaust
Go push your agenda elsewhere. This makes me so mad. You have NO idea, seriously. All respect lost for you Heineken.

If you have a position, state it.

reply to post by Natame


Is it really just her body or is it a life? I know a young lady who is very bright and refuses to eat meat because it means killing an animal. She has had three abortions while married to a guy that doesn't want kids any more than she does.

I think that is sick. If and when I hunted animals as a younger man I ate what I killed. I think anyone that kills a child under the guise of "it isn't really alive" should have to cook it up and eat it.

OP=You sound like a kind and considerate person. As such,if you'll kindly give me your home address,I'll personally see to it that all of the abused and unwanted impoverished children I can find will be sent directly to you to raise...its a big and expensive responsibility to take care of a child-or in this case thousands of children-for 18 years,but you sound up to the task. Or,if that sounds like too much,how about we pass a bill where all pro-lifers have a lifetime tax increase of 1,000% so that the state can afford to pay for all the unaborted children...surely you and your kind are not afraid to put your money where your mouth is? After all,think of the children......

Before 12 weeks, fine.

After, I don't agree. Especially those late term ones.
Instead of aborting a 26 week old, just remove it and incubate it in the hospital. Now everyone is happy.

reply to post by heineken


Basically the OP is attempting to portray a zygote as a PERSON in a way only perfectly oblivious conservatives ever attempt to do.

It would behoove the OP and those who share his ethos to come up with better analogies lest people start seeing through the shallowness.

I mean, damn, even Mississippi think ya'll backwards!

My last cents to this thread.

Abortion and murder is two very diffrent things.
The people who keep calling the "pro-choice" murderes would be doing lebel in most western countries with such statements, that is punishable by a big fine and/or jail in extreme cases.

You could offcause argue that in some states it is illigal to get an abortion, which would make that a crime in those states. But that does not make murder and abortion the same thing.

Killing of livestock aint muder either.....and the same goes for the fight against diseases even thou your taking life.

Originally posted by Natame
Ok im sorry but i guess i have issues with this... a womans body is hers and hers alone. I have had three wonderful children and i know i would never have aborted them. But i also believe a woman has the right to choose her fate. I do understand the fact that a baby once conceived is alive. But knowing that there is alot of different reasons that a woman could or would want to terminate that said pregnancy is her CHOICE. I would never dictate to anyone that wanted to have a tattoo or plastic surgery, to have a cancer removed or life threatening surgery..Your body belongs to you... only you have that choice to do what you will with it.

It is very stupid, cowardly, and selfish, for ANYONE to even think that they can justify murdering a baby. A grown woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own body because she is old enough to know right from wrong, but the baby's body inside of her belongs to God, and anyone who murders that innocent, helpless, defenseless baby will have to answer for it someday.

There is a HUGE difference between getting a tattoo or having plastic surgery done, and murdering a baby. Why would anyone want to do that, to avoid gaining weight? Or to avoid having to take care of the baby? Well guess what, take the baby to a Safe Haven drop off point, and then work out for a couple of months. And don't give me that stupid stuff about how there are some times where it's a situation where the mother has to do it or she will die, because situations where idiots murder babies for NO reason FAR, FAR outweighs those where it's a life or death situation for the mother.

In the long run, all of the babies that have been aborted or murdered in some other way will make it to Heaven, where they will be able to grow up in perfect peace, only knowing a life that is infinitely better than we all ever have known here on Earth.

Malachi 4:1-2(KJV)
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Zechariah 8:5-8(KJV)
5And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.
6Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the LORD of hosts.
7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;
8And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

Originally posted by Godofgamblers


They force you to wear a seatbelt for your safety, yet they have no problem when you murder a child?

I take it you believe that a fetus younger than 9 weeks is a child? Fully developed and ready for life in the world?

reply to post by Southern Guardian

If only your Mother had felt the same way! If only...

So...no one has replied to my post yet. I ask again-how many of you pro-lifers are willing to put your money where your mouth is? I think the average cost of raising a kid for 18 years is somewhere around 1 million dollars-and thats not even counting college. So how many of you would be willing to take a 1 million dollar tax increase over the next 18 years? anybody? Didnt think so......

reply to post by Dystopiaphiliac

I take it that you don't think you were ever in your Mothers uterus?

reply to post by Natame


The woman chose to become pregnant by having sexual intercourse with a fertile male. That was the choice. To go back on that decision would be murder.

reply to post by QuietBeige


Unnecessary and insulting post. Is there a point to your rudeness? You're clearly one of those who think they know better than others. Your inability to comment in a beneficial and civil manner denotes your lack of intelligence and reason. In other words, you fail.

Is it nice to be insulted? I just wanted you to know how it felt.

Carry on.

Originally posted by QuietBeige
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

If only your Mother had felt the same way! If only...

Thankfully my mother wanted the pregnancy and cared enough to have me. Fortunately, I wasn't the result of rape, or I wasn't a threat to my mothers life. Also, I don't think my mother would have appreciated all to much government officials and people like you sneaking up into her business and telling her how she should go about her pegnancy, thankfully, she had that choice left to her.

I don't like abortions, I think those women who make the choice of abortion after carelessly having unprotected sex are irresponsible, but I would not dictate or control over what they do with their bodies. Nature gives them the power to decide over their bodies, whether you like it or not. I'm not really sure what people like you intend to do to change this?

reply to post by The ?

Your parents did. I know - sad sad story but the rest of us actually like to have not had our chance at life robbed while defenseless in our loving Mothers womb.

You should have been murdered though. I'm with you on that...

reply to post by The ?


Are trying to say that nobody adopts? This is silly.

And a million dollars? My mom raised me on less than 40k a year from the late 80s to early 00s. I don't think she spent 140% of her entire income over 18 years raising me.

reply to post by heineken


How dare this woman want control over how many children she has and when. How horrifying! That decision should ALWAYS fall to the capable opinion of someone with a penis!

reply to post by jeramie


You quote the Bible as rationale as if that's enough...
If I may, how about this one:
Leviticus 11:9
“These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat."

Since you're the one using Biblical passages--and pretty much JUST Biblical passages--to support (myopic) viewpoints I have to ask, since the Bible is so important to you, do people who eat mussels, clams, oysters and scallops inspire such passion in you or does this go beyond the Bible?

Self awareness is not an especially prevalent trait among the West's so-called Christians these days.

reply to post by CosmicEgg


Then report me!

By the way - you are the one that is failing to understand basic human rights. Get that checked out dude. Chop chop.