We really ARE alone ("Aliens" are not "E.T's" they are "E.D's")

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

I do not accept anything blindly, christianity does not require blind faith, it requires trust and then provides you with evidence to support your faith.

Except, of course, the tenets of Christianity, the Earth is only 6000 years old,

No!

A 6,000 year old earth is by NO MEANS a "tenet of the Christian faith." That some Christians believe it does not equate to it being a tenet.

The only tenets of the Christian faith ever expressed by all Christians are the Apostles and Nicene Creeds. Divisions since then have added and subtracted from those tenets (historically, to their own peril). Some beliefs regarding the faith are allowable as speculation, but without being tenets. The 6,000 year old earth is such an allowed belief-- but I would not recommend it.

You must be psy chic i am the only one in the room right now.

Originally posted by Klassified
OP, could you please list those verses in the bible that say there is no life on any other planet but our own?

And could you list those verses that say aliens are not aliens at all, but are extra-dimensional beings, or demons?

Oh, and while you're at it, could you find those verses that say spiritual beings are actually inter or extra dimensional?

Thanks.

Just in case you missed it OP. I would really like to read these verses I'm asking about. Because I can't seem to find them in my bible. Unless maybe those verses aren't there?

Originally posted by Klassified

Originally posted by Klassified
OP, could you please list those verses in the bible that say there is no life on any other planet but our own?

And could you list those verses that say aliens are not aliens at all, but are extra-dimensional beings, or demons?

Oh, and while you're at it, could you find those verses that say spiritual beings are actually inter or extra dimensional?

Thanks.

Just in case you missed it OP. I would really like to read these verses I'm asking about. Because I can't seem to find them in my bible. Unless maybe those verses aren't there?

same here

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Oh there out there....But there just on a different frequency then you all. You cant see what your minds eye cant fathom or grasp. Even if you saw you would soon like to forget what you saw.

I like the universe like this...it's very quite and beautiful....Why ruin it with more life? It just creates more headaches and more noise then necessary. In this place you call the universe many have come, and many have gone, but only the singular can truly be at home here in the end.

Besides none of you are getting out of life, alive. So why try?

By the way cool video.

reply to post by Klassified

OP, could you please list those verses in the bible that say there is no life on any other planet but our own?

Read article it will answer your question: creation.com... it can explain it better than I will be able to.

And could you list those verses that say aliens are not aliens at all, but are extra-dimensional beings, or demons?

That's what angels are... Where do you think they come from?

Oh, and while you're at it, could you find those verses that say spiritual beings are actually inter or extra dimensional?

All extra-dimensional means is there not from our physical universe.

reply to post by Frira


It doesn't matter what you recommend though does it? It should be up to each believer whether they want to believe GOD's word how it was intended in a 6 day creation or start complicating things by adding mans "theory's" to the bible. Age of the earth is not a salvation issue though so its more of a side issue within the church.

Dear OP,
I watched this video and liked it very much, until the last ten seconds, when the narrator started talking about how much "god" loves us.

I have one question for you. Did you get permission?

reply to post by chanel


Why would you dislike GOD loving us... And I don't need permission for posting a youtube video.

Glad you liked the video though. There are plenty more on there channel I think you would enjoy.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

It doesn't matter what you recommend though does it? It should be up to each believer whether they want to believe

And therein lies the bottom line of the whole thread.

Everybody gets to believe what they want to believe. Your god, my god, no god. Demons, aliens or fairies.

Originally posted by TiggersTheMan

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

It doesn't matter what you recommend though does it? It should be up to each believer whether they want to believe

And therein lies the bottom line of the whole thread.

Everybody gets to believe what they want to believe. Your god, my god, no god. Demons, aliens or fairies.

Yes, exactly.
Personally, I like the Esoteric Order of Dagon. I wonder if they are accepting new members?
Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by Frira
Don't be ignorant and think just because the universe is large there has to be life, this is just intellectual dishonesty. That's like saying "I live out in the woods where theirs alot of beavers and beavers love wood so their must be a family of them somewhere in my log cabin, but I've never seen them".

That quote is NOT from my post.

Those are NOT my words.

But your refusal to believe that maybe, just maybe there is life out there is just as ignorant, isnt it?

I did not say I refused to believe in life elsewhere-- neither did the quote you falsely attributed to me.

I believe in math, logic, reason, experience, wisdom, observable evidence, and HONEST discussion.

Some of the most brilliant minds of our time, Stephen Hawking included said they do believe that there is life out there. The universe is simply too vast to assume otherwise.

Fine, but Hawking also does not believe in God and he forgot to show his math in that regard, too. Hawking is smart, but has a well known bad habit of talking out of his... donkey.

But I was discussing Carl Sagan's implicit math flaw when you changed the subject.

I read Carl Sagan, mentioned Carl Sagan in my post, listened to Carl Sagan and liked Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan's reasoning for believing that there must be other profoundly intelligent life was flawed. He could do things I cannot, but he was fallible.

Originally posted by Frira
1/8 of planets in our solar system have intelligent life.
1/3 (at best) of stars are non-multiples
1/10 (at best) are clear of galactic dust lanes
1/2 (maybe) of planets have clear (essentially collision-free) orbits
1/1000 (perhaps) have liquid water.

1/8 * 1/3 * 1/10 * 1/2 * 1/1000 = .0000020833 (about two in a million)

The more factors considered, the nearer to zero the probability becomes.

Narrow range of gravity, solid crust, breathable atmosphere, magnetic shielding, narrow range and stability of solar radiation, circularity of orbit, geological stability, and so on, also have probabilities-- most are tiny.

All fair but your missing two main points. The first is those odds you are listing are for life like US to form. But life doesnt have to be like us, does it? Case in point:
www.space.com...

This interesting little article shows how scientists have recently discovered a form of life that survives off eatting arsenic. Something thought impossible until now. Something interesting to note here is that this formed in SPITE of its surrounding conditions. Life doesnt require a set temperature, oxygen, and more that you are assuming in your list of things required. This simple bacteria shows how life could perhaps exist in conditions we previously thought impossible for life.

I was careful to state "profoundly intelligent life" and mention of simple and hardy microbes is changing the subject.

The second point of course is simple. If you are using math to reduce the possiblility of life on earth to next to zero, how do you explain how we came into existance?

Correction -- the application of mathematics reduces probability-- not my using it. I am not personally responsible for the logic of math confronting your world view as you wish it to be.

That I minored in statistics for my undergraduate degree simply means I understand it, have used it, can apply it and can teach it-- but, apparently, I am not so good a teacher as to make it understandable to the lower life forms. And that barb is anticipating what you wrote next...

Oh, thats right. You use your faith to explain it. No science involved there, is there?

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No science involved? You may be accustomed to debating stupid Christians, but you are not addressing one of those now.

That statement of yours, coming after false attribution, smacks of personal insult, and I have written nothing to expect that coming from anyone except for those without a shred of character-- in other words, from the likes of you.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

The answer to all three questions is, there are no verses that explicity state the answers to my inquiries. Those answers have to be extrapolated and assumed by interpretation. Which means even the christian cannot know biblically whether God has created life on other worlds aside from our own. Neither can the christian presume to know that angels and demons, or spirits, are inter or extra dimensional. Because the bible doesn't address the issue. They could fall under other.

So biblically, if the christian is truthful with themselves and the rest of us, they must admit they don't know any more than the non-christian about ET's and spiritual beings.

I did read the article BTW. And he uses a lot of extrapolation and circular reasoning to come to his conclusions. I do however, appreciate your response to my inquiry.

reply to post by Klassified


If GOD created life on other planets he would of let us know.

Enough said.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Klassified

 

If GOD created life on other planets he would of let us know.

Enough said.

and he didn't. Stop contradicting yourself.

They say "the public's eye"
Instead of "the public's eyes"
That alone verifies that they like to cover # up. Just. For. Fun.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Frira

 

It doesn't matter what you recommend though does it? It should be up to each believer whether they want to believe GOD's word how it was intended in a 6 day creation or start complicating things by adding mans "theory's" to the bible. Age of the earth is not a salvation issue though so its more of a side issue within the church.

edit on 9-11-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

It does not matter what I recommend... anymore than it matters what YOU recommend.

Archbishop Ussher's Chronology is very useful-- to a point. Using it for dating the Creation seems to take one down a blind alley filled with really bad things-- and from which few return unscathed.

I mention it often: James Michener's novel, Space, had a very good point-- although probably not a direct quote. It was something like, "It is up for the individual to reconcile what he knows to be true with what he believes to be true."

All of the scientific evidence-- ALL-- points to a very ancient Earth. When I see a quasar through my telescope and know that the light I am seeing is far more than 6,000 light years away-- I have my own evidence which my senses will not deny-- and neither will my brain.

And when I have many spiritual experiences which my soul and brain know and will not deny, then that evidence works on me as well... in a profound way. So my faith is reasoned-- and I do not have to "throw the baby out with the bathwater."

My faith is robust as a result-- not fragile. I live a spiritual life but not a fantasy life; and both scientific truth and spiritual truth enjoy a happy marriage.

Originally posted by IndigoValor

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Klassified

 

If GOD created life on other planets he would of let us know.

Enough said.

and he didn't. Stop contradicting yourself.

Exactly, so E.Ts don't exist! Star for you

reply to post by thegagefather


I believe God's Universe is full of life.Truthfully friend? Im not in dsagreement with you. I'd like to see us all use the talent and knowledge God gave us to learn, expand, and make educated decisions based on His gift. We as a whole do not do that.

The Bible proponents believe everything is in there...that nothing new that may or may not come our way, needs to be considered. I believe that God gave us many, many places to receieve intellegence. Look at the computer generation of which you and I are now speaking and learning thru/with.

I tend to take the middle road. My faith is strong, and that cannot be swayed. But, I break bread with my Muslim friends, Buddist associations, and 1/2 of my family is Native American. Additonally, Paganism in the Celtic past also exists within my family, going bqck nearly 900 years. That is why I strive to speak with each, learn from each, and try to better understand that which is the the Bible, Quran and other Holy Books.

I for one am glad God gave me the knowledge and ability to learn and grow from this very large world and Universe growing larger as I type. That makes my faith even stronger.

Peace

reply to post by mysterioustranger


Yep the Bible even predicted the internet:

Daniel 12:4 ...'even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.'